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join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA | Let go buy some of their stock! Well, if you can't beat them, join them! | |
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SuperJudge
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join:2002-11-14
Albany, GA
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AthlGrond
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
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| Re: Let go buy some of their stock! said by SuperJudge  :
If I had that kind of money.
You don't have $34?
($27 for a share and $7 to buy)
Not that I would recommend buying Microsoft, but it isn't all that expensive.
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Aurora, CO | Re: Let go buy some of their stock! Never mind, you have negative money.  | |
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join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI | You know that is a damn good idea. It could become as comon as using e-mail. | |
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@poznan.pl | Skype is still the best around! It's coming out for PPC and Palm in a few months! | |
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digiblur
Got Sipura?
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join:2002-06-03
Louisiana
| I don't see how you can compare them building in SIP into the OS to the hardware solutions like Vonage, Packet8, BVD, etc provide. Anyone with Windows can do download the free softphone from FreeWorldDialup today and start talking for free. I guess I'm missing something? | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | No sh... Microsoft isn't stupid. A chance to take a lead in a market with NO regulation? Who WOULDN'T go do this? | |
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tonekilla
Pipe Dreams
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join:2003-07-26
Gunnison, MS
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| heavyweight champion? It'll be nice to see Microsoft battle SBC and the other bells. All of them have HUGE money coffers they could unleash at each other. I see this getting real nasty, if it materializes
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join:2003-03-12
US | Things that make you go Hmmmmm I wonder when similar anti-competitive lawsuits will start flying again since from the sound of things, MS intends to integrate VoIP into the OS.. | |
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join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| Microsoft is so 90's Microsoft is no longer in any position to control anything in the hi-tech industry except business software infrastructure. The only winners in VOIP are the owners of the infrastructure, the CABLE COMPANIES. Microsoft would be just another customer of the cable companies. How would they be in any position of power in VOIP? | |
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join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| Re: Microsoft is so 90's By placing it in the os, people will start to let go over their phone lines if all their friends are on it by default.
Hmmm wait no I just realized I am on the no-call list. Unregualted voip would be exempt. The telemarketers would be out in force 
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join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| Re: Microsoft is so 90's What does VOIP have to do with the OS? The software is all in the VOIP router. Unless they own the software, but anybody can make a competing router. Microsofts most powerful days to control the industry have long passed. Next thing you know we'll be getting excited for Comdex. This thread just feels so 90's. | |
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| "The only winners in VOIP are the owners of the infrastructure, the CABLE COMPANIES. Microsoft would be just another customer of the cable companies. How would they be in any position of power in VOIP? "
Microsoft owns(Paul Allen) Charter Communication. | |
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join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| Re: Microsoft is so 90's That's one cable company in a few states. So fine, Microsoft will own the VOIP business in those markets. Cable is just so fragmented. The consumer(except in WOW cities, but who cares about them) would be so much better off there was only 1 cable company nationwide. | |
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Thegoldwater
join:2002-03-10
Parkton, MD | Re: Microsoft is so 90's How do you figure the consumer would be better off with just 1 company?
Because Comcast (the largest) has been so good at providing great service at a reasonable price?
ROTFLMAO
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kiddigital
join:2000-06-16
Deltona, FL
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1 edit | Re: Gotta wonder how effective this will be said by Nightfall :
Will their VOIP be better than Vonage or others on the market today? Only time will tell.
There is no way Microsoft could produce something better than the hardware VOIP providers.
I for one love the fact that my PC need not be on for me to make or receive a call. Add to that the fact that I have a real phone number that anyone can dial. Integrating VOIP into the OS would be a nice novelty but not a real replacement for POTS. Hardware VOIP is the future. | |
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join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD | Re: Gotta wonder how effective this will be interesting..considering that win2k is where i stopped in my microsoft deployments(everything else is linux now) MS lurching at VOP will not be that big of a deal for me..
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join:2002-02-12
Pompano Beach, FL | Re: Gotta wonder how effective this will be what do u do on the linux machines, i have a linux box just for a half life game server ...  | |
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b_zen
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join:2002-07-24
Saint Louis, MO
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| Re: Gotta wonder how effective this will be You got a point; however, I remember a time when a Fax machine was huge and required you buy rolls after rolls of paper - businesses and people were relying on that hardware technology with no alternatives. Microsoft has replaced the fax with their fax software; that software has replaced the need for an expensive and cumbersome piece of hardware.
Although your review points to a different infrastructure being used, as well as the issue of assigning phone numbers and the likes, it doesn't mean that alternative technologies or apps may not solve that particular restriction.
All I am saying is that it is usually "better" to expect the unexpected; that's one good way of fending off bad surprises (in the business world at least).
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kiddigital
join:2000-06-16
Deltona, FL
·EarthLink
1 edit | Re: Gotta wonder how effective this will be Faxing required you to purchase hardware in the olden days. Current hardware VOIP doesn't require the purchase of the hardware. It comes with the service much like your cable modem usually comes bundled with cable internet service.
The problem with any application is that it will require your PC to be on. Unless MS were to implement a system where they would store your missed calls as voicemails. Oh but wait that would mean they'd have to provide a voicemail system for the entire installed Windows user base.
And we still haven't solved the problem of phone numbers. I can't see the FCC giving MS carte blanche to just start porting POTS numbers to their integrated VOIP.
We'd have to have a paradigm shift in what we used to associate with a phone number and begin anew using some other soft of way of specifying who you want to call.
The only tech I can currently imagine someday overtaking hardware VOIP would be smart homes of the future (everything in your home completely networked) when we all have a nice fiber pipe running to our premises. Then you could say to your houses embedded system to "call charlie" and he'd pop up in front of you via hologram or something similar. | |
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join:2002-07-24
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | Re: Gotta wonder how effective this will be LOL  | |
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Thegoldwater
join:2002-03-10
Parkton, MD
| Let's agree on this:
1) Having Microsoft enter the market, if nothing else, will raise the profile of VOIP against PSTN because of the money they will spend promoting it;
2) An OS-based solution would widen the opportunities for people to use VOIP, which should mean increased QOS and lower prices;
3) An OS-based solution *may* help alleviate some of the issues with hardware licensing that Vonage ran into with the Cisco units.
Aside from that, there are potential ups and downs for anyone to enter the market. | |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs: | Agggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! | |
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SuperJudge
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join:2002-11-14
Albany, GA
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mario55
join:2002-02-12
Pompano Beach, FL | wha???? whats wrong ? whats up with the NOOO | |
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I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
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| Re: Agggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg! I don't want to see the competition crushed quite yet!
Microsoft the phone company scares the begeebers out of me...
Let me quote a line from Demolition Man.
"After the franchise wars all restaurants are now Taco Bell"
Now...
"After the communication war now all technology is Microsoft"
Microsoft get back in your box!
Microsoft could already have possession of my PC, Game Console, Cell Phone, TV (Insert product here), Watch, & Refrigerator.
Now my telephone too?
Judging by Microsoft's new "Live Communication Server" I don't have much to worry about... Yet. | |
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join:2001-05-06
Coquitlam, BC
| MS can't play unless....... Unless MS gets into supplying hardware for their VOIP, their service won't catch. current VOIP does not need a pc...MS's plan does. Thats the nice thing about the non MS VOIP's...no pc needed, just your broadband connection, and their supplied box.(most will supply the gateway) When it comes to talking to friends/family over the phone, I'm not sure i want to be at the mercy of my Gates run pc. If MS offers their service like the others and decide not to be pc dependent....I might consider that. I don't even think MS can compete with a no pc required for VOIP tv commercial. The current VOIP setup is just waaaaayyy to easy. I mean how can you say no to plug in VOIP box after broadband modem...plug power into wall, and plug phone into VOIP gateway box. make phone calls and be happy. Then there's the software run MS idea....LOL..not goin there.
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
1 edit | Re: MS can't play unless....... They already have a working SIP/VOIP stack for their embedded platform, Windows CE. Been done since version 4.0 came out.
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mario55
join:2002-02-12
Pompano Beach, FL
| i dunno bout that, id ather use my PC to talk on the fone. i really wouldnt want an extra device. that means more cables, and you should check out my room, got cat5 coming out my ears. lol .. but i like skype and i like useing my head set.. if some other companies allowd me to have a phone number via my computer and not pay for another device, i would get it... for now i will continue to use my IM for communication, i dont even own a cell fone. | |
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lakino
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join:2003-04-03
Campbell, CA
| Help me understand something... So MSFT incorporates SIP directly into its OS. That's a good thing. It doesn't cost us extra, so where's the bad in this? Vonage is not a costless solution. I have to go out and pay a monthly $30 fee AND purchase hardware for it. A software based SIP phone where it can reach all MSFT users would be quite useful and it'd be free. I don't see the bad in this. It's like MSFT including Netmeeting for free with its OS, where is the bad?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like MSFT much and I want lots of competition--glad Apple and Linux are around--but when MSFT offers free things for users, that's not a bad thing in my book.
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kiddigital
join:2000-06-16
Deltona, FL
·EarthLink
| Re: Help me understand something... said by lakino :
So MSFT incorporates SIP directly into its OS. That's a good thing. It doesn't cost us extra, so where's the bad in this? Vonage is not a costless solution. I have to go out and pay a monthly $30 fee AND purchase hardware for it.
It not a bad thing at all. It's just that it cannot top what hardware VOIP providers can offer... Namely the ability to do away with standard phone service.
You mention the fact that hardware VOIP has a monthly fee. Are you to have me believe that you get standard landline phone service for free? Also do you think you'll be able to use an integrated Microsoft solution to call someone with a regular phone number (POTS, hardware VOIP, wireless phone etc.)?
Software VOIP is good for limited applications but if you want to "cut the cord" hardware VOIP is the only realistic way to go. | |
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lakino
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join:2003-04-03
Campbell, CA
| Re: Help me understand something... said by kiddigital :
said by lakino :
So MSFT incorporates SIP directly into its OS. That's a good thing. It doesn't cost us extra, so where's the bad in this? Vonage is not a costless solution. I have to go out and pay a monthly $30 fee AND purchase hardware for it.
It not a bad thing at all. It's just that it cannot top what hardware VOIP providers can offer... Namely the ability to do away with standard phone service.
You mention the fact that hardware VOIP has a monthly fee. Are you to have me believe that you get standard landline phone service for free? Also do you think you'll be able to use an integrated Microsoft solution to call someone with a regular phone number (POTS, hardware VOIP, wireless phone etc.)?
Software VOIP is good for limited applications but if you want to "cut the cord" hardware VOIP is the only realistic way to go.
That's crap to put it bluntly. I've stated in numerous posts that VoIP is totally not ready for prime time usage now. You don't provide a review of your broadband provider so I can't tell what you use, but I--along with millions of other broadband users--use DSL as my broadband pipes. Now if you also use DSL, what if the telephone/DSL connection dies on you, what are you going to do with you VoIP/Vonage? You can't call your local BELL provider to fix the DSL connection using VoIP/Vonage now can you?
Oh, so you say you're a cable user and couldn't care less about DSL? Well, then VoIP isn't very useful to million of DSL users huh?
VoIP will never take off as it currently stands. If I'm to pay $30/month for VoIP, I'll take my standard POTS line thank you. My POTS line works very nicely and it's pretty cheap actually if you get rid of all the extras.
Until VoIP is free or almost free, it's a DOA in my book. Much more trouble than it's worth. When it's free, then I'll start using it as an alternative. Until then, Pacbell serves me fine for voice calls over their circuits.
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kiddigital
join:2000-06-16
Deltona, FL
·EarthLink
| Re: Help me understand something... I have cable modem, and it's ridiculously reliable, so service outages are pretty much a non issue for me. Besides I have a wireless phone to use for the 1 hour total per year that my cable connection is out.
FYI POTS service isn't cheap in my area at all which is why I ditched Sprint for Vonage. Sprint want damn near $60 a month for basic phone service plus a few extras and basic LD. Without any extras it was still around $25 a month with all the taxes and made up fees. VOIP plans start at $14.99 with no made up fees and only Federal Excise Tax.
I happy to hear that you're in love with your local telco, however there are many people across the country that are absolutely fed up with theirs just as I was.
VOIP won't take off as it currently stands? Sure... and the earth is still flat. | |
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| I argue VOIP is here to replace the POTS service:), I pay the quivalent of 10$ a month, which gives me 30 hours of national calls, extremely good price on International. The ability to take my Homephone number anywhere I want buy using a SIP phone, be it hardware or software.
Since my ISP provides a Ethernet socket in my flat I have no need for a traditional Telco to provide a DSL connection over my POTS....
If they (M$) do it right you will be able to call me on my SIP phone directly with sip:number@digisip.com - and don't care if I answer with an instant message, softphone or pick up my hardware SIP phone.
Since M$ already have a huge customer base on MSN I think it's a fairly safe bet they will take away loads of traffic from traditional telcos.
Maybe, just maybe they will let the user choose which SIP service he/she wants to register with.... I bet you that as many as are using MSN today and many more will be call their friends @msn.com rather than by lifting the traditional phone and punching numbers in - they already know their friend is online by the little green buddy on their screen. | |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| UNHO Worm Slams Net The UNHO worm slammed the net today. Since the worm exploits a buffer-overflow in Microsoft Windows XP#'s SIP protocol service and it has references to Arthur C. Clarke, many speculate that UNHO is really VOIP. Similar to 2001: A Space Oddity's HAL-9000 computer which when you increment the letters, spells IBM.
Computer protection companies rated the worm critical. Once infected, the victim's machine initiates new SIP sessions and spreads itself to everyone in your phone book. It also transmits your entire phone and e-mail address book to several sites in China and India.
Microsoft released a critical update six months ago but many don't realize that a fully integrated VOIP system is built into XP#. You can protect yourself by turning off these services, if you don't use them, or by using Windows Update to install the latest fixes.
Several Fortune 500 companies estimate lost productivity in the billions as their networks were overwhelmed by the spreading worm.
Five key airports around the country shut down when the virus entered their networks via popular airport WiFi hot-spots.
Nasa's Mar's uplink facility was hit hard and sent false commands to the Spirit and Opportunity rovers. The commands caused both rovers to eject their backup battery packs onto the Martian soil. Nasa only had enough remaining battery power to send one high-definition picture of the batteries lying on the Martian surface. Several Senators and Greenpeace members were outraged when they discovered the batteries were clearly marked with the Lithium Ion recycle symbol. Senator Justice said, "...and I cannot believe that Nasa provided no plan to return the batteries to Earth for proper disposal..." In response to Senator Justice's plea, a large multi-national waste management group immediately offered a $15 billion plan to recover the batteries. However, the contract was withdrawn when the waste management group failed to obtain insurance protection against an extinction event caused by a possible Martian pathogen being introduced into the Earth's ecosystem-system. Senator Justice as well as several prominent Greanpeace members admitted that they had overreacted and that protecting the entire ecosystem of the Earth was probably more important. | |
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