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Kiss My Shiny, Metal Ass
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join:2001-08-12
Springfield, OH | Priorities Yes, let's have our police get their priorities straight | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Re: Priorities "Car 21, 802.11b in progress." LMAO! | |
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Sady
Fenway Fanatic
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join:2000-10-07
Ludlow, MA | rofl | |
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fartness
Computersoc Dot Com
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join:2003-03-25
Look Outside
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| What about this scenario:
I'm 60 years old. I buy a new laptop with the built in wireless. I have AOL dialup so therefore I have no use for the wireless but it is still there. Forgetting to connect to AOL at my ripe old age, I pick up a neighbor's hotspot and start surfing. My laptop connected to it automatically. Not my fault the hotspot is not secured and my laptop connected to it automatically.
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SND2005
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join:2001-09-15
Im Over Here | Re: Priorities Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Now the real question is- where is the law that says a open hot spot cannot be used by whomever finds one? | |
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join:2004-02-09
Greensboro, NC | Re: Priorities
"Ignorance of the law is not an excuse."
True, but he didn't say he blamed anything on what he didn't know that he was doing.
Wouldn't life be great if you couldn't get into trouble for using freebies? | |
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| WeKnSmith
join:2001-08-09
Noblesville, IN
 ·AT&T Midwest
| The real story was that someone was war driving, and getting personal data off of home networks. They then proceed to commit identity theft. The war drivers have not been caught yet, but their crimes have resulted in 10s of thousands of dollars in losses.
The cops are keeping an eye out for the suspects. Hamilton County is part of metropolitan Indianapolis, and includes most of the affluent areas in Indy. | |
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join:2003-03-07
Smyrna, TN
1 edit | Re: Priorities I use to live in Hamilton County Fishers to be exact.
I'm glad I use encryption. | |
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IamZed
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join:2001-01-10
Dayton, OH | Dangerous Gangs? I love the sound of that. Time to start checking all parked cars everywhere just in case someone thief is up to something dangerous. Ha!
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slavik4
join:2002-08-06
Brooklyn, NY | security? secure your hot spot ... problem gone.
let war-drivers go on and destroy all those who have unsecured hot spots ...
either way gives secured hot spots ... | |
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Piobaireachd
Happy Halloween
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join:2000-09-21
Port Orchard, WA | you gotta be kidding See, the handicapped can lead productive lives. They can get employment in the law enforcement field in Indiana. | |
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Greg_Z
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join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL
 ·Comcast
| Cyber Sneaking Here is an even better link than the original, which includes a video that we can use on here to help new users understand the vulnerbilities of leaving your network open.
»www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=···9TaiKuH0 | |
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| dda
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join:2003-12-29
Bolton, MA
| Re: Cyber Sneaking I think this was the best:
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Back in the neighborhood, Woloshin clicked away. In minutes, the home computer of Deron and Amy Scalf appeared on our computer screen.
Wow, the entire home computer showed up on the screen? What, do they have a little IP camera watching their computers?
Just like the movies, where the hacker "breaks in" and some custom UI shows up on their screen. Too much.  | |
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mario55
join:2002-02-12
Pompano Beach, FL | Re: Wow, in Indiana, I am a felon! what about ham radios and CB's??? its fun to mess with people on that thing ... espically when u are driving cross the states | |
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Brazbit
Randomness Personified
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join:2003-10-22
Port Orchard, WA
·wavebroadband
| a (clear) post title While I do not agree with War-Driving I Think this is a bit overboard. If someone is being a large drain on your wireless network call a tech to configure you correctly. If someone is doing something illeagal using your network then call the cops, you can lock it down after they get what they need.
On a related note...
Someone has tipped off the local press recently about war-driving and they have been running "special reports" on this "new" and disturbing security hole. One station showed how a guy using a directional antenna and a meter detecting hot spots miles away. With the media trying to one up each other on this I am surprised
Amusingly my boss called me at home the other day to watch one of these special reports and wanted my feedback on it the next day. The feedback was simple "Boss we do not have a wireless networks." | |
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| Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | Re: a (clear) post title your boss sounds like the boss on dilbert | |
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| bored_in_nh
join:2003-01-04
Stamping Ground, KY | What a missed opportunity that was. 
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statecop
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join:2002-09-16
Beverly Hills, CA
1 edit | What a joke! This coming from Cop. I am sure most real cops laughed like hell when they got in their car after they were told to look out for wifi bandits. What a joke some desk jockey must have come up with this idea. Real cops know to be out looking for REAL criminals
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Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON | Re: What a joke! This coming from Cop. Oh you can bet it was some pencil pusher that saw this as a way to make money. People who get nailed on it are going to get hit with trespassing offences. So either a fine or a year, probably a fine...eaiser to bring in money to the state. | |
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dilettante
join:2002-01-01
Haslett, MI
|  Re: What a joke! This coming from Cop.
I hope people wise up REAL SOON - TCP/IP isn't the protocol for every task.
I hear a lot of medical and financial industry folks are taking a hard look at the old unroutable SNA networking technologies that predate SNA-over-IP again. The biggest headache is that commodotization has made the IP stuff cheap and discouraged the production of older proprietary stuff. | |
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ncherry
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join:2003-07-13
Monroe Township, NJ
·Comcast
| Re: What a joke! This coming from Cop. I hope people wise up REAL SOON - TCP/IP isn't the protocol for every task. I saw this statement first and thought you were nuts. Then I read the first paragraph and agree 100%. IP is not for everything.
I hear a lot of medical and financial industry folks are taking a hard look at the old unroutable SNA networking technologies that predate SNA-over-IP again. The biggest headache is that commodotization has made the IP stuff cheap and discouraged the production of older proprietary stuff. This has me laughing, Network engineers have been running SNA over IP for over 10 years. Cisco's Remote Source Route Bridging for 2 and 2.1 traffic and Serial Tunneling for 1.0. DLSW is preferred, I'm afraid I don't have any experience with APPN. I also would say I'm an expert though I have a lot of experience.
Anyway the part that made me laugh is the discouraged the production of older proprietary stuff statement. We still get bisync which was discontinue in the late 60's. Bank, financial and other business's won't give up on equipment if it works. They just force the vendors to make their stuff work with what the customer has.
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Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
·Bright House
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Anyone who's been to Indianapolis... would know that some of the cops are hard-asses, more on the south-side and the south-east side of town. But these guys are following state law...the amount of information given in this write-up is misleading to say the least. People who use unsecured wireless points are breaking the law in Indiana.
Heh. Sometimes I miss the really odd shit that goes on down in Indy.
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geeknik
join:2000-04-30
Luther, OK
1 edit | Nothing better to do.. well you know the police have nothing better to do.. i mean, your child isn't being kidnapped, your wife isn't being raped, your house isn't being broken into or burned to the ground, and your car isn't being stolen. oh wait, maybe they are, but the cops are too busy chasing wi-fi hackers to realize it. go figure.
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
1 edit | How big a loser do you have to be... ...to resort to grabbing a pringles can and searching out hot spots as a hobby. That's AV-nerd squared.
The simple solution is a 24-7 Star Trek convention there in Indiana to serve as a nerd magnet or throw some hookers in there and get these idiots laid for once in their lives. Then they'll go driving for that for the rest of their lame lives and leave those dumb enough to run open WiFi alone.
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justanutter1
@kaballero.com | Re: How big a loser do you have to be... Got Boost?
You didn't really say that right? I mean it was idiots like us who made it so that you could be an idiot like yourself...
I mean, duh? How much of Wifi did you invent? | |
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
2 edits | Re: How big a loser do you have to be... Nice troll...at least you did describe yourself accurately. And yeah right...like dumbass nerd wardrivers and/or you had anything to do with the IEEE work on WLAN back in 1990.
It's the chicken and the egg. Except here the WLAN came long before the pringle can toating nerds. | |
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Gandalf4503
join:2002-06-27
Las Vegas, NV | the solution When first installing the router firmware, have it prompt the user to change all the passwords and such. Users are lazy. If it works, they're happy go lucky. It's only when it doesn't work that they actually try to read any of the instructions. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Re: the solution Actually most people still won't read the directions they'll either:
a) call tech support and tell them the router is broken
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b) return the router for one that will work on the first try
It's a lose, lose situation for the manufacturer either way.
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enOehT
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join:2003-05-17
Langhorne, PA |  How are we supposed to know?
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pewpypants
@comcast.net
| Re: How are we supposed to know? Good Point.
Also, how are the cops supposed to know when they catch somebody surfing the web in a parked car that they are using 802.11? Maybe they're using GPRS or CDMA from their phone provider. Maybe they stopped at the side of the road so they wouldn't be using the laptop while driving. Maybe they parked the car to make some phone calls. Just because somebody is in a parked car doesn't mean they're doing drugs, selling drugs, having sex with hookers, or wardriving. | |
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Skilos
join:2000-08-19
Astoria, NY | drive by wifi You have to watch out for those dreded bloods and cripts, they are known for there deadly drive by wardriving drive bys. If only that was our worst problem with gangs, we would be in good shape. | |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA | More info... The roving cyber thieves who are rumored to use a non-standard computer operating system called Yoonicks were overheard by one local resident talking about forking children and killing processes. Police are investigating. | |
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NordicPC
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join:2002-07-21
South Elgin, IL
| War drivers don't always use the connections they I war-drive not to try and use other peoples connections but to see who is insecure so I can send them a flier advertising my company.
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SlickEnW
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join:2003-01-21
Seattle, WA
clubs: | I abuse my neighbors network Free game | |
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| jhorne79
join:2004-01-26
Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: I abuse my neighbors network Please come to my house and use my dsl. My ap is wide open. And while your at it take my tv and anything else that tickles your fancy. Stealing is stealing doesnt matter if its a pack of 25 cent gum or bandwidth. Ya piece of Crap.
My ap is not really open but I think you get my point. Sorry I'm going to hop on my tractor and get out of here. It amazing we even have the access to the internet here in Indiana.
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join:2002-05-07
Indianapolis, IN
| Re: I abuse my neighbors network Please don't reenforce that damn sterotype. You know Indiana is not just farms. I have a hard time finding people that do not have internet access.
There have been segments on the evening news trying to help people secure their wifi. There are a lot of networks open all over the place and they even showed it on tv driving around.
This is a serious problem in all cities.
If someone uses another persons bandwidth without their permission it IS stealing. | |
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join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA | Re: I abuse my neighbors network i may be wrong on this but i think i heard of a download called "airsnare" that lets those w/ wireless networks identify & shut out anyone who is stealing your network for whatever reason. bub | |
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mario55
join:2002-02-12
Pompano Beach, FL | that is why u dont leave a 300 dollar mountian bike outside unchained.. same for wifi... someone is always bound to come along and mess with you.
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