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It changed without asking!
(old news - 12:16PM Saturday Feb 14 2004)
A number of people discovered today that Google Toolbar was able to change its theme without asking. Not everyone was grateful for the cute new valentines day graphics .. Google changed my toolbar!. Web developers have also grizzled in the past that this toolbar will also modify the background color of input fields, potentially over-riding colors chosen by the web-page. With programs able to call home at any point, over broadband, downloading entirely new code if necessary, perhaps it is time companies designed a better EULA presentation: better than the one 99% of people just scroll through, and punch 'I ACCEPT'.

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bhan261

join:2001-02-12
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Hm-m-m...

It appears that even the emperor Google has no clothes.

Transmaster
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just goes to show you.

Well this just proves one thing. People will bitch about everything.

Jeremy341
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Re: just goes to show you.

said by Transmaster See Profile:
Well this just proves one thing. People will bitch about everything.
Exactly. When I first saw the change, I was a little shocked, but I thought "That's cool. I wonder how many people are going to go nuts about this though?" I believe Google should have made it known that they could do this, and provide a way to opt-out, but I'm not pissed.

Dustyn
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Re: just goes to show you.

Gawd.

Don't get all worried over something as lame as this.

It is cute! It happened to my 98SE machine but not on my XP Pro machine. Even after restarts. Oh well.
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Jeremy341
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Re: just goes to show you.

Do you have the newest version of the toolbar installed on your XP Pro machine? It's 107.

Dustyn
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Re: just goes to show you.

I just checked. Yup! The last numbers are 107.

Isn't that weird my XP PRO pc wasn't affected by the DEADLY pink hearts? lol
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Re: just goes to show you.

said by Dustyn See Profile:
Isn't that weird my XP PRO pc wasn't affected by the DEADLY pink hearts? lol
It is weird. I'm using XP Pro on all of my machines, and they all got it. Everyone I know with XP Home or Pro got it too. Oh well.

Dustyn
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Re: just goes to show you.

Somebody posted a message (can't remember where) that it was a "TIMED" one time install/modification. If you were connected to the net at the right time then you would have been affected.

I missed it I guess?
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aztecnology
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mine didn't change at all, then again I only use the searchbar and I have removed all the *helpful* buttons...
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Re: just goes to show you.

said by aztecnology See Profile:
then again I only use the searchbar
The searchbar is one of the things that changed.

Dustyn
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Mine just changed like 5 minutes ago? At 10:05PM on Valentines day when there's only 2 hours left?

Great timing! lol
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PunkGod

join:2003-02-02
I could careless about them changing it.
Plldwnyrpnts

join:2003-04-19
Chicago, IL

Re: just goes to show you.

Say it with me people: I couldn't care less.

Iggybot

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Thing about your statement just a bit harder next time before stating something so not well thought out. Example - lets say Google gets it's update server compromised. Yes it's Google I'm sure they have top notch security. But things can happen. With this update server compromised the person(s) wishing to infect others machines would have an easy time. Yes most people would say ok to a pop up asking them if they want the update from Google. So yes in theory they would still become infected. But no program should auto update unless the user has specifically asked it. Users of any software shouldn't be forced to except auto updates. In my opinion it's just bad security. Thus the reason users brought it up in the security forum. There NOT complaining to be complaining. They have a genuine concern that needs to be addressed.

Jeremy341
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Re: just goes to show you.

said by Iggybot:
lets say Google gets it's update server compromised.
Since we know nothing about how this auto updating system works, you don't know exactly what can be changed. What if Google designed it so that the only things that could be changed were the images, not allowing any actual program code to be changed at all? Then, all a hacker could do is display a very small image on someone's computer, until Google resolved the problem. That's not a very serious issue.

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said by Iggybot:
With this update server compromised the person(s) wishing to infect others machines would have an easy time. Yes most people would say ok to a pop up asking them if they want the update from Google. So yes in theory they would still become infected.
Well...now I just feel terrified all over again.

Man -- wouldn't it be awful if...if...if...

Some asshat hacker decided to add BOOBS to the double-o in google and fill my search pull-down with a penis picture?

HORRORS! LET ME UNINSTALL ALL OF THESE EVIL SECURITY RISK FILLED...

...seriously. Guys...it's hearts. You're obviously vexxed because no one loved you on Valentine's Day. Keep playing the UT2K4 demo with your buddies and move on.

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AnonymousDude

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Re: just goes to show you.

You mean like this?

»www.booble.com/

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Re: just goes to show you.

Heheheheh.

In Google I Trust

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For real, what's the big deal? Although there are a lot of sleazy programs out there, I'd feel more comfortable with Google changing my toolbar than some small/no name company.

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said by Transmaster See Profile:
Well this just proves one thing. People will bitch about everything.

I wouldn't even bother. If I found it to be intrusive, I'd just dump the toolbar, 'nuff said.
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Annorax

join:2001-03-27
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Agreed. People just have way too much time on their hands and enjoy bitching. Seems that they need to be shipped off to Iraq to do some time in the military if you ask me. Maybe then their expectations will be a little more in-line with reality.

Annorax

vice8686

join:2000-10-13
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Re: Hm-m-m...

I thought it was pretty cool. Google is a trusted source and I'm not concerned at all by this:)

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Didn't change for me

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This made me boot into windows

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My google toolbar is fine... oh... wait a minute

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Re: This made me boot into windows

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I think I have you covered.

mikesb
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Kickin' it with ow32enen606.exe
Hurh... Mine didn't change either. ;¬]

kabhal
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Strange...

Mine never changed at all? Maybe you have to have the page ranking system on or something..?

Corvus
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Re: Strange...

? Restart your computer. Mine just change yesterday at 10pm! I've see some black squares then after restarting IE I saw this thing.

kabhal
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Re: Strange...

I've restarted my computer 3 times today (installing a new modem) and it's still the same toolbar. No black squares, no hearts, no nothing. Just the same google toolbar.

Heyyy, maybe the Google Toolbar somehow figured out that I don't particularly care for valentines day and thus it didn't change it? [/conspiracy]

Kompressor
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Re: Strange...

You must be running an older version of the google toolbar. The latest version is 2.0.107.

rayondw
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Re: Strange...

Glad I use the older version.

kabhal
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Nope. 2.0.107. Winxp pro. No change.

Hall
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Read the EULA !

said by news story:
better than the one 99% of people just scroll through, and punch 'I ACCEPT'.
Who's problem is that ??

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edit:
February 14th, @12:49PM

Re: Read the EULA !

I dunno.

Hell, everything you do and load on your Microsoft ran computer Microsoft owns. I think they also have power of attorney and can seize your computer at any time for any reason.

EULAs rock for the business.
jram

join:2003-08-06
Albany, NY

Re: Read the EULA !

»www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html here is the google toolbar,doesn't happen if you use Mozilla or don't use page rank,they know your every move..But that is what you signed up for..

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Don't download toolbars

And this is why I do not download toolbars of any kind. All of these add-ons have the potential of auto-installing spyware, adware, or malware. I like Internet Explorer (deride me if you will) and I can live with the occasional pop-up of which 99% I close without looking at anyway.
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google looks cute

looks cute to me, i could care less.

ssj4android
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I uninstalled it a while ago

Not because of this, but because it was very flakey. It would be on some windows, but not others. Most of the windows that had it enabled didn't even show it since they didn't have any toolbars.

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Vchat20
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WTF? c

id like to know what everyones problem is. didnt bother me one single but. i could care less. i use the google toolbar for searching and popup blocking.

again, id like to know why everyone is getting so pissed off about the toolbar changing its theme. you are all acting like little babies.

koitsu
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Re: WTF? c

I don't think people mind the "changing theme" -- Google has changed their home page logo, for example, on most major holidays (although, Bastille Day? Give me a f**king break...).

The argument people are making is quite a legitimate one: there's nothing in the EULA that mentions Google will make modifications to the toolbar without user intervention. That's the key point here: the fact that there's no option to turn prompting for such installations/changes/updates on/off, or even mention that they occur at all. Hell, I didn't even know the thing auto-updated itself until a few days ago -- I thought you were supposed to uninstall it and re-download a new version every so often.

However, I do agree with you on the point that I don't see what all the hooplah is about. I wouldn't mind it, I'd think it's kinda cute. But it definitely came as a surprise to people who WEREN'T expecting it. You've got to admit, people are now going to start wondering what else the Google Toolbar could/might do in the future, or what it might have already done in the past. Yes, paranoia speaking, but paranoia seems to run rampant around here anyways. *wink*
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Jeremy341
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Re: WTF? c

said by koitsu See Profile:
But it definitely came as a surprise to people who WEREN'T expecting it. You've got to admit, people are now going to start wondering what else the Google Toolbar could/might do in the future, or what it might have already done in the past. Yes, paranoia speaking, but paranoia seems to run rampant around here anyways. *wink*
It was a surprise, but everything else is just paranoia. If you can't trust Google to not screw you over, than you can't trust anyone. Just turn off your computer for good, because simply turning on your computer requires you to trust many different companies.

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well, i never doubt google at all. google is a very well rounded search engine and im sure theyll do what they can to keep privacy and security in check. it just really suprises me how in this day and age people are all security and privacy finatics. just uncalled for how these people react to these small things if you ask me.

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no change

Nothing has changed for me on my G. toolbar. I have page rank on.

lordfly

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Re: no change

Same here, I use MyIE2, but I also checked with IE, and it still is the same as it always has been. I also have PageRank on.

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Hmm, now I have it!! They must have heard me!

koitsu
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Q: Features or Windows type?

I've three PCs all with the Toolbar. I did everything I could during the course of people freaking out over a heart background or a black background to see if I could get mine to do it -- nada.

The only thing that comes to mind are the following:

1) Are people with the hearts or black backgrounds using the "w/ Advanced Features" type of the Google Toolbar (i.e. the one that sends helpful usage information back to Google)? All of my systems use the non-Advanced installation mode, just because I didn't really see the point, and I don't agree with sending back usage information for such things.

2) Are people with the hearts or black backgrounds using the "XP Theme" or the "Classic Theme" on their XP machines? I use the Classic theme (heavily modified, including unchecking the "Folders have their own background images" option).

Just some ideas. Oh, and I've rebooted all of those PCs many times over the past 48 hours, so... *shrug*
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Re: Q: Features or Windows type?

said by koitsu See Profile:
1) Are people with the hearts or black backgrounds using the "w/ Advanced Features" type of the Google Toolbar (i.e. the one that sends helpful usage information back to Google)?
[/QUOTE
Nope, both my systems are running with no advanced features, no autofill, no nothing (I only use it for the search field and the popup blocker). My desktop updated on Thursday, IIRC (at least that's when I noticed it), and my notebook updated sometime yesterday.

[QUOTE= koitsu See Profile]2) Are people with the hearts or black backgrounds using the "XP Theme" or the "Classic Theme" on their XP machines? I use the Classic theme (heavily modified, including unchecking the "Folders have their own background images" option).

My notebook's XP installation is tweaked to look as much like classic Win2k as I can. My desktop is running Win2k. Both toolbars look the same.

Since each machine updated at a different time, I'm guessing it only checks for updates every few days, and they're checking on different schedules because they were installed at different times.

One of my first thoughts when I saw the update was "I bet there's going to be a big uproar on BBR about this!" I'll admit that initially I was a little taken aback, and I thought "Oh great, even Google isn't above screwing with us remotely!" But since Google does have a history of doing cutesy things with its logo on holidays, I got over it pretty quickly.

At this point, having the fact that I'm single on Valentines Day rubbed in my face is bothering me more than the technical aspects of this are.

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February 14th, @01:29PM

Must be have had something new added.

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Must be my old version.
I still have the bata Toolbar. It never changed.

shellenberg
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Relax. Breathe deeply.

Though I don't use said software, those that are bitching about this *DID* install the software on their computers. If you get all worked up over a holiday theme of a couple of icons for one day out of the year, you really need to go outside. Take a walk. Pick some flowers. Look at the stars. Do something other than sit at a computer, because you know something, you've lost it.

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Re: Relax. Breathe deeply.

said by shellenberg See Profile:
Though I don't use said software, those that are bitching about this *DID* install the software on their computers. If you get all worked up over a holiday theme of a couple of icons for one day out of the year, you really need to go outside. Take a walk. Pick some flowers. Look at the stars. Do something other than sit at a computer, because you know something, you've lost it.

Hard to pick flowers in the middle of winter
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Re: Relax. Breathe deeply.

said by MrMaster See Profile:

Hard to pick flowers in the middle of winter

Not everywhere. For example, it's summertime in some parts of the world.

It's a big world out there. Understand that before you post.
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Re: Relax. Breathe deeply.

said by inturnaround See Profile:
said by MrMaster See Profile:

Hard to pick flowers in the middle of winter

Not everywhere. For example, it's summertime in some parts of the world.

It's a big world out there. Understand that before you post.

Just saw your post. Are you serious?
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said by shellenberg See Profile:
Though I don't use said software, those that are bitching about this *DID* install the software on their computers. If you get all worked up over a holiday theme of a couple of icons for one day out of the year, you really need to go outside. Take a walk. Pick some flowers. Look at the stars. Do something other than sit at a computer, because you know something, you've lost it.

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They probably added this after the paranoid.....

... started freaking out, but look:

Happy Valentine's Day!

We've bedecked your Google Toolbar with a logo salute to love to mirror the custom holiday design of our Google.com homepage. All will return to normal once Valentine's Day and our romantic mood have passed.


»toolbar.google.com/help.html

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edit:
February 14th, @03:09PM

Ok, Sense

Ok, I agree with the alleged "paranoid people" here.

What would a Jewish person do if their Google toolbar suddenly had a Nazi symbol appear in honor of the Hitlers Birthday, or a Catholic suddenly had to see graphics associated with a holiday that their religion does not celebrate?

Pardon my ignorance, but is my logic flawed? Granted I'm not flipping my wig over the issue, but it does deserve addressing.

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edit:
February 14th, @03:27PM

Mine never changed

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I dont have the advanced options that you choose when you first got it i have rebooted nothing new
Xure

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And everyone was saying the Toolbar was the best

There was a poll recently in Security forum.

Best Pop-up blocker...

So many said Google Toolbar was the best. This seems to be a very bad deal for anyone interested in securing their machine. Once they are harmless Valentine graphics but if Google ever changes direction, it has potential to turn into more sinister applications. We have seen so much software change rapidly ( to the negative side ) after they get bought up by AOLs of the world.

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R4M0N
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It's the end of the world!!!!

OMG!!! Hearts in a toolbar!!! Run for the mountains!

Everyone seems to be pissed at what COULD happen. Guess what, your car COULD be tracked by a military satellite, are you guys bitching at the government?

You could be tracked by all the cameras everywhere nowadays.

All that without your permission.

The US is becoming Paranoid city. I remember "push" technology when it was all the rage. You didn't have to answer a question about wanting it to update or not, did you?

Everyone thinks the Google website logo changing is cute, but the same thing happens to a google software and doomsday is coming.

It was a little heart, people. Get over it!

Ooooh, so that means they can also change the way my computer behaves and they can change my bank account passwords, and they can change my wallpaper to one of the porn pictures I have hidden in my hard drive and my wife will be pissed!!! OH NO!!!

[turns off computer and books flight to the middle of the jungle]
sjf7351

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Re: It's the end of the world!!!!

I agree with you 100% PsyKoh.

But I hear this was just a test run before the big "change" on St. Patrick's Day.;)

(hint: think green)

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:sigh:

I wonder if it's in the security settings of the computer? it didnt change for me until i actually installed it again. i cant remember ever reading a EULA for anything i've installed so i cant really get upset if it did it on its own
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kanstin

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stupid

I dont see why this is a big deal. There are no security or privacy concerns. Its probably just an additional bitmap or two added to the build. bfd.

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Re: stupid

said by kanstin See Profile:
I dont see why this is a big deal. There are no security or privacy concerns. Its probably just an additional bitmap or two added to the build. bfd.

Well if it downloaded a .dll to do this whats to stop it from downloading dll based spyware that downloads other junk. i think google was testing this out to see how much outcry there would be from this.
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I use the Firefox 0.8 WebBrowser

I'm just glad that I couldn't use the Googlebar, But then I use a Cutting Edge Technology Browser, I use the Firefox 0.8 Web Browser.
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