 steven s Premium join:2002-09-14 Dearborn, MI | Who cares? I am getting so sick of all of this VoIP News!! ARG! | |
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join:2002-01-02 Fleeting | Re: Who cares? Oh I do Declare! The single most important event in the broadband industry that happened today being posted to a website about broadband. The nerve of these people..... | |
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join:2002-01-31 Grosse Ile, MI
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| I care. I means that a blossoming industry won't be prematurely saddled with unrealistic regulatory expenses. It means that I can continue to receive all of my communications through one wire. It means that I get to continue using a service that I find both inexpensive and reliable. | |
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| Re: Who cares? This is not a victory for those VoIP companies that provide a complete replacement for POTS lines.
This means that if you are calling from one computer to another computer purely over the internet, then it will be free. In other words stuff like chat clients with voice abilities are still free. As are hardware solutions like FWD.
But, if you are calling a mobile or land line number using this service via someone like Vonage then you still have to wait for a new FCC ruling. -- Note : The statements made by myself are my own and not the opinions of my employer or of my coworkers. 14.327 GHz Crunching Power | The Ryan Foundation for MPS Children | |
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| Please! VoIP needs to become a viable option only under the same rules and governance that the telephone industry has. Anything can blossom if given a handout. I see no reason that VoIP providers should have a free ride and have telephone service providers saddles with regulation. What resources, or maybe I should ask, who's resources/infrastructure do you suppose VoIP will benefit from? VoIP needs to pay it's own way or it is unfair. | |
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join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Re: Who cares? Another unregistered Bell shill.
This logic would have prevented FedEx from competing with the US Mail, and would have trucking companies paying subsidies to railroads for the "privilege" of competing.
Bells, you need to learn to stand on your own two feet and quit whining.
Calvoiper -- VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
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join:2002-01-31 Grosse Ile, MI
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| Give me a break! BTW, why not register and identify yourself? The analogy with FedEx by the last poster is an excellent one, and a good example of why these VoIP company's should exist. The existing bells had the money and the resources to see this technology coming. They could have done the initial heavy lifting toward making this technology viable for their own business plan transition, but they didn't. Instead, they did nothing and now whine about "unfair competition" as free enterprise unfolds around them.
As for the regulations, most of these were put into place when they were the only game in town, commanding their compulsory use by the population at large. If any thing should change, it should be a lessening of the regulation for the existing bells rather than increased regulation for new companies entering the market with vastly different technologies. Most blacksmiths lost their vocation when automobiles came into being, and this situation is no different. Times will change, methods will change and progress will march on. Some choose to engage in futile retro-ism and inevitably become history, while others embrace technology and change and remain part of the present. You choose. | |
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join:2002-02-12 Pompano Beach, FL
| Re: Who cares? i choose you pikachu..... err i had to say that. i choose new technology... bolderdash to high fone rates! man i wish/hope/cantwait till VOIP goes mobile. fone/internet/gameing is what im looking for. like the n-gage mixed with a treo 600 or something. lol | |
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join:2002-02-12 Pompano Beach, FL
| might as well tax the hell out of your internet connection!!!!!!!!! then what ? are you going to pay extra for internet ? id disconnect my line and or find some way to beat the system. im not ganna pay alot for the internet. oh by the way. ever hear of skype! what do u think about that? | |
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1 edit | Go get em jeff! "AT&T and other providers are waiting for a ruling on how much they have to pay telcos when their VoIP traffic bumps bumps into the PSTN."
thought you might wanna fix that karl. Unless your a B2k fan?
I hope that fcc does take their time ruling on Voip. All we need now is for them to tax it like they want to do to everything else. | |
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| Re: while it lasts... since some providers do go over the PSTN network, those providers to have a right to charge since it is thier equitpment. I mean, POTS service isn't going away anytime soon. Not until everybody gets broadband, and that is still taking it's sweet time. Also, your need a good provider. Some only give 128kbps upload, and sometimes people don't even get that. As for small business, in most cases it costs less for a few lines than VoIP. For larger companies it makes sense. This is only the beginning of what will be a slow process that is going to get very ugly. | |
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join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Re: while it lasts... Well, what if I've already paid my local service bill and am only making local calls to a VoIP gateway? Shouldn't I get the same rate if I'm calling a local VoIP switch in unit 4 of an office building that I get if I'm calling a lawyer in unit 3 of the same building? Otherwise, isn't the price differential just plain anti-competitive surcharging?
Your attitude seems to be that the local telco gets to charge whatever it wants for its bottleneck access to the rest of the world. I suppose you also support access charges for long distance, even though they are several times the cost of providing the connection to LD carriers?
Calvoiper -- VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
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join:2002-12-30 Arabi, LA
| RBOCs want the ruling too. They have already started deploying VOIP and if the ruling is to keep hands off all of it then they will only have VOIP. The RBOCS will be free of regulation and POTS as you know it today will not exsit. Also, they will not have to resell it to the CLECS. Don't be fooled, the RBOCS will be a BIG winner!!! | |
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| Re: while it lasts... It's really going to be akin to a WWF cage match.
The states aren't exactly wimps, and fresh from their likely loss of potential broadband tax they're going to want cash from somewhere....
Plus you've got the FBI eager to regulate ALL VoIP providers in an era where national security seemingly trumps everything from the bill of rights to logic....
This battle will be more like a political gang-war than a reasoned process I think. As with all politics, my guess is the wealthiest will come out on top. | |
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join:2001-06-27 Land O Lakes, FL
| As I understand the concept, for voice to move from a VoIP POP into a local exchange system there needs to be voice trunks. The owner of the VoIP POP already pays for those voice trunks, so VoIP calls are not mysteriously appearing on the PSTN.
To say the VoIP providers should operate under the same POTS rules is to say they should pay twice for putting long distance calls into the PSTN.
In the POTS only world ILEC "A" generates a long distance call, it transits a long distance carrier and ends at ILEC "B". ILEC "A" pays a small charge for adding traffic to ILEC "B", but in this case ILEC "A" is not buying any infrastructure.
My take on it only and I could be wrong. | |
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  GNXPower Got Boost? Premium join:2003-12-18 Huntington Beach, CA 1 edit | Maybe then Vonage can quit with the junk fees. For crying that they aren't a traditional telecom, they sure charge the junk fees like they are. -- Don't have it?!? Demand it!!! The Anime Network »www.theanimenetwork.com | |
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join:2000-07-05 Greensboro, NC 1 edit | Re: Maybe then Vonage can quit with the junk fees. yup, broadbandreports wouldn't dare think of reporting that though... | |
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| Re: Maybe then Vonage can quit with the junk fees. No wait Karl...I thought your were dubbed by Boogie as the official Teletruth kiss-ass Now Vonage. Dual citizenship.  -- Don't have it?!? Demand it!!! The Anime Network »www.theanimenetwork.com | |
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| Re: Maybe then Vonage can quit with the junk fees. I have heard that too, but I have had none. I have had the service about 3 weeks and have never had any problems. The one thing I did do when I first got the service was download the latest update for the adapter so I cant say if any previous versions might have had issues. I have used about 1200 mins so far and cannot tell the difference between it and the phone co. I do happen to have a great cable connection to the net and that obviously has a lot to do with it, but I have taken the adapter over to a friends house who has yahoo dsl and didnt notice any problems there either. I also took it to work and connected to a test cable link that we have and 5 coworkers have since signed up for the service. I dont know what the future brings but I know for 9 bucks setup and 20 bucks a month without any commitment and a 30 day money back guarantee I dont see how I can lose. I would defintely recommend the service to anyone. I live in NY and had basic phone service with no long distance, the cost was 17 dollars a month, but after taxes it was 32. Now I have the ability to call anywhere in the US and Canada for a fixed 20 bucks a month. | |
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join:2002-08-28 Tucker, GA | That is surprising! So, does this mean the VoIP providers do not have to provide 911 service and also are not charged with traditional federal & state connection and use fees? | |
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join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Re: That is surprising! At best, it means that "pure" VoIP setups, like Pulver's FWD, aren't required to do all that stuff (yet).
Although the FCC hasn't released the text of their decision yet, the press release would indicate that those services which bridge VoIP with POTS may have different rules, and two separate proceedings (one on VoIP generally, started the same day, and one on CALEA [wiretaps] to be started soon) will lay out additional rules for VoIP.
The press release did say that although VoIP isn't telecom, it IS an Internet service subject to federal regulation.
Calvoiper -- VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
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| Is no regulation a good thing? Things like 911, repair intervals, battery backup during power outages, etc are there because the Telcos are required to provide them. In other words -- they are regulated. Right now cable companies and presumably VOIP providers will not have to provide those services. Where will you be when the power goes out and you don't have a phone? Who are you going to complain to when your phone doesn't work for 2 weeks? Or worse, how is the fire department or ambulance going to find you when your provider doesn't hve to provide 911 information?
Just my $0.02 worth. | |
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join:2000-09-29 Southfield, MI | Re: Is no regulation a good thing? It is called a cellphone. Nice little device and more handy than a landline. Now I can get get help when i fall out in the park from a jog  | |
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join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| said by skrupowies : Where will you be when the power goes out and you don't have a phone? Who are you going to complain to when your phone doesn't work for 2 weeks? Or worse, how is the fire department or ambulance going to find you when your provider doesn't hve to provide 911 information?
The same place people in Hinsdale, Illinois were when Illinois Bell let the Hinsdale CO burn up because they were too lazy to respond to alarms--except that in Hinsdale, it was about 5 to 6 weeks for most folks.
Calvoiper -- VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
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join:2000-12-18 Littleton, CO | A nice lawsuit A nice lawsuit from someone that died because they had no E911 service will quickly reverse this. | |
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2 edits | Re: A nice lawsuit Should a case like that ever come up, I'd very much hope that the judge would throw it out. It's very clear when you sign up what you're in for concerning 911 and how it works compared to POTS.
Anyone sorry enough to even try only furthers the notion that in this day and age, everybody is looking for someone to blame for their own stupidity. (Atleast in this country) | |
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join:2000-12-18 Littleton, CO | Re: A nice lawsuit I disagree. Comparing VOIP to email is silly. Comcast is rolling out VOIP in the 1000s this year and more next year. They are going to offer E911 right from the start because VOIP will not be a 'fun thing to have', it WILL replace POTS. | |
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join:2002-02-12 Pompano Beach, FL | i doubt it, cuz it clearly states that in some Voip systems, u dont have to have 911. so the custy should know this already | |
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  plk bo may sleep in loft Premium join:2002-04-20 Ogden, IA
| A different perspective I look at this as a way or excuse to deregulate the bells sharing mandates. Once VOIP is somewhat wide spread, Powell et al can can allow the Bells to have their systems back. All the while VOIP will kill off the CLEC's or what is left of them. This should happen about the same time political pressure for taxing and regulation is applied to VOIP. With the Bells having their systems back, sharing gone and political pressure on VOIP, I see the Bells going to war with huge fiber deployments etc and a speed war. They will know at this point it is a do or die political environment. Long distance and local LD will be a thing of the past very soon possibly as soon as 5 years. A huge source of local bell income will dry up. -- Thermaltake 2000a/Asus P4C-e/p4 2.8/ocz3500 2x512/WD.2x200g/ATI 9600/APC sua 1500/ crappy monitor&sound 4 now. adding 19in LCD & better sound. maybe OC some too. | |
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join:2002-01-14 Fremont, CA
| Common sense and E911 service There is a very simple reason that some companies rolling out VoIP are able to offer E911 service and others are not...YOUR LOCATION! That's right on order to dispatch the police or fire department there has to be a physical address tied to something so they know where your phone call came from.
In the example of Comcast Cable, they have an absolute address where they terminate your service at that does not move around. In the case of the "pure" VoIP companies their users can be just about anywhere and still access their service. How would you propose tracking these users when registering the location for E911 service? It just does not make sense when you stop and think about it now does it?
Like it or not VoIP is likely to be around for a while. It is certainly not for everybody, but then I don't recall anyone claiming it was. | |
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