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join:2000-07-13
Brooklyn, NY | its a good idea its a good idea. similar to googles thing. target ppl | |
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| Re: its a good idea said by damascene  :
its a good idea. similar to googles thing. target ppl
Yes, it is a good idea, but ONLY as a profit making hijack scheme for VeriSign.
First, unless you are already "locked" onto a site, very few of us ever get a 404 error. Most times, the re-direct will go to a search engine the OS has tucked away in the registry by one of the vendors who have an interest in having you use their search tool.
The difference in the way that VeriSign was doing it, was they would hijack your Web stats, making your visitor logs virtually useless.
I tried several times to contact them about this "problem", but never received a reply to my emails or phone calls. I finally had my attorney contact them, and their response to him was that in the future, they would have a commercial "add-on" that I could subscribe to (not free), that would give me my accurate originating site visitor stats.
So why would I want to pay for something I get for free now? Even when a person Googles my Web sites, I get the pass through stats, with VeriSign, all I saw was the VeriSign hijack. This is why a lot of ISPs and Web hosts were complaining.
They have much more of an agenda than just collecting ad revenue off of the redirect page.
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clubs: | Re: its a good idea They should be treated just like a virus producer, for attempting to corrupt the internet, in addition to trying to make money off of it. 
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| dave
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| said by damascene :
its a good idea. similar to googles thing. target ppl
Please explain how every other protocol will benefit from misdirecting a name lookup so that the application talks to a web server. | |
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hiatus
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1 edit | Buzz word... There's that magically bux word. innovate...
quote:
According to Tom Galvin, VeriSign's vice president of government relations, opposition to the project comes from "an ideological belief by a narrow section of the technological community who don't believe you should innovate the core infrastructure of the Internet."
So breaking internet protocols like SMTP, etc. in an effort to boost your profits is what's considered innovation ? I'm starting to get the feeling that commercializing some parts of the internet wasn't a good idea. Verisign's job should have been given to a non-profit group.
I'm just glad most ISPs have patched their name servers to block sitefinder because Verisign can take their standards busting innovation and shove it.
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Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs: | Re: Buzz word... Agreed. This is just stupid. | |
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | Agreed, greed is hardly innovation. | |
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koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| You should try applying for a job with them. I speak from experience -- definitely the most uncomfortable, unrealistic, and literal BIZARRE screening+interview I've ever done. VS is truly a very VERY strange, awkard, and downright WEIRD company (in the most literal sense of the word). The best analogy I can give you is the Twilight Zone.
It's funny; had I gotten the job, the first two question out of my mouth would've been 1) "So which jackass came up with SiteFinder?", and 2) "And who gave the order to deploy it without consulting the entire Internet -- and at bare minimum, NANOG -- first?"
NXDOMAIN, here we go again...
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clubs: | Re: Buzz word... How much would it have paid for all that crap? Dang, applied for a job. 
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NewLife
Just Keep Swimming, Just Keep Swimming
join:2001-07-31
Calhoun, GA
·AT&T Southeast
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| See again thats what happens.. See if someone gets too much power they start doing stupid shit like this. I believe that there needs to be at least 3 organizations in charge of the domain name system. They should all be equal companies and they should not be allowed to buy out, merge, or in any other fashion become a whole entity which would then put it right back into the same shape. When it comes to doing something like this all 3 companies should have to agree before the implementation is allow to take place.
I mean on the web there are enough ads that people have to deal with. The last thing they need is a portal to be redirected to if they type one wrong letter in. In turn that portal is nothing more than a ad ladened site that they have to contend with.
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consider this your warning verisign: if you enter me into ANY CONTRACT (read: your crappy, site finder catch 22 tos) without my permission i will file a small claims suit against your company for the maximum allowable amount in that venue.
They shaking.. oh wait wait not et.. oh oh there we go they started shaking. 
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clubs: | Re: prepare to be sued verisign... Nope, nope, nevermind, it was just a little chilly out. 
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
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Huntington Beach, CA | ICANN Needs to smack the bitch up And strip Verislime of their position. | |
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Roundboy
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join:2000-10-04
Drexel Hill, PA | .f 80% of how many people? and WHICH people?
I'm sure the people that benifited from the redirection voted a large YES to that question...
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join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL | Re: .f They left out the last part:
80% of the people WHO ARE STOCK HOLDERS IN VERISIGN think it is a good idea. | |
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RoguePimp
join:2001-01-31
Phoenix, AZ | Can you say Monopoly? Come on...they are using their dominance in the field to push their own personal agenda! Why should you be forwarded to Verisign's own search site and not Yahoo or Google. They are force feeding you their product. What a load of crap! | |
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davidg
Good Bye My Friend
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join:2002-06-15
Greenville, MS
clubs: | yeah right! what group of people did they poll? only way i can think of them getting 84% of users to like it is if they either polled their own employees or a bunch of AOL users! | |
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gwion
wild colonial boy
Premium,ExMod 2001-08
join:2000-12-28
Pittsburgh, PA
1 edit | Noooooo... but sorta close... ... they should say, "the vast majority of the 20% of users, from among the ten percent who don't curse as soon as the redirect comes up and leave, who actually stick around the site long enough to answer the poll, like this.
They fail to mention the 80% of us who don't fill in any surveys or forms, who don't go more than a page deep after getting a redirect, and who just get angry and leave...
That, and it's an abuse of the DNS system and their trust as its administrators; that's the nutshell edition, case closed. Even if 100% of users like it, it isn't "right". It's as if Bush gave me a position as logistics director in Iraq, and I promptly started running my own taxi, shipping and transport operation out of the motor pool, and posting 4x8' ads for it on ammo trucks... at that point, issue's no longer whether or not the Iraqis are pleased with my services, the question's whether I have any business running a private operation and using my position to promote and subsidize it.
They're just plain wrong. There's something called "Google" for those sites that just don't come up when you type 'em in... just like there's always the Baghdad phonebook for that shipping firm.
Not only that, but it reflects harshly on Verisign. If they're that desparate for funding, then maybe they're not fiscally competent for infrastructure responsibilities to be entrusted to them? Or if they don't need it, but are planning to take trust responsibility for internet infrastructure, then abuse that for their own profit, maybe they're not ethically responsible enough to be entrusted with infrastructure respponsibilities???
PS- "...an egg." Hmm... now, excuse me a moment, while Lt. Minderbinder and I discuss this a bit... that's some catch, that Catch - 22...
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| | Anon | Re: Noooooo... but sorta close... Hmm I rather have them redirect to google  That be kick ass
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join:2000-05-04
not in ohio | The web is not the Internet.
I have applications that expect to handle 'name not found' errors. They do not expect to be given the address of some system housing a web server, which is incapable of supporting the application protocol. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| Wonder what the question was they asked 84%.. wow, maybe it was:
"Which do you think was better, Verisign further improving your surfing choices when a typing mistake was made or the World Trade Center attacks by Al-Queda?"
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elboricua
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join:2001-08-12
Bronx, NY | Hopefully BIND will have a permanent patch I hope BIND has make some sort of permanent patch to stop crap like this.
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Varangian
join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL |  Innovation//
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Keith
Why Ask Than?
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Fort Erie, ON | 99% so far say no 99% of the above so far say no hummmm | |
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rolande
Certifiable
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join:2002-05-24
Powell, OH
clubs:
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Linksys
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| If they can do it, why can't we? That was the justification given at the NANOG conference in October by 2 representatives from Verisign. This was in reference to all the other TLD registrars that are doing the exact same thing with wildcard A records in the TLD zones. What they failed to take into account is that 98% of the world's domains are hosted in com, net, and org and that noone cares about the other TLD registrars anyway.
Personally, I think it is wrong for any registrar to wildcard A records in their own TLD zones. They don't "own" the TLD. They manage it on behalf of the Internet community. If the majority of the Internet community doesn't want the supposedly "responsible" 3rd party to do this, then I think they should respect this opinion. If they want to be cry babies and whine about it to ICANN because everyone else is doing it why can't we... Then ICANN should put it to a vote and let the industry decide and not Verisign or whoever is under contract to provide the root authority for ICANN.
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| Verisign is claiming it won't break anything.... ... but I highly doubt it.
said by the article:
VeriSign officials said they have taken pains to remedy any technological problems that Site Finder caused and maintained that Internet users benefit from the service.
Unless they've found a way to make the DNS lookups go to Site Finder only for HTTP (and possibly HTTPS) protocols, this will still break anti-spam filters that check for non-existent domains in e-mails. And, AFAIK, the DNS lookup takes place independently of any port/protocol specification. (Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
Of course, even if they do somehow limit Site Finder to web-only requests, I'm sure it will still break a bunch of applications (from other redirection services to looking up an available domain name on a registrar's site).
This isn't innovation, this is using your monopoly to push a service onto users regardless of whether those users want the service and profit from it.
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join:2000-05-04
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·Verizon Online DSL
| Well, if they're doing what they did back in October, it won't break existing applications, as long as all existing applications are rewritten to their guidelines.
Quit yer whining! | |
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Jeremy341
Bye
Premium
join:2000-01-06
localhost
| said by Jason Levine :
the DNS lookup takes place independently of any port/protocol specification. (Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
You are correct. There is absolutely no way for a DNS server to know if the request is for a web server, or a mail server, or anything else. It's handled completely separately from anything else that is going on with the program. | |
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pleekmo
Triptoe Through The Tulips
Premium
join:2001-09-14
Manchester, CT
clubs: | When When will VeriSign understand the word "NO!"? | |
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Varangian
join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL | How about a nice boycott? | |
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@pacbell.n | good Sounds like a good idea to me, nobody likes to see those strange gobbledy-gook error messages anyway! | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
·Speakeasy
| All of Which is Why Verisign, IANA and the US Department of Commerce are being named in a California lawsuit. Since neither IANA nor the US DoC are willing to stop Verisign, they are considered to be complicit in this whole debacle. Therefore, they have been added to the suit so that maybe a US Court injunction can prevent SiteFinder from coming back and maybe make Verisign (et. al.) cough up some damages.
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Jeremy341
Bye
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join:2000-01-06
localhost
| It's not a 404 error I can't stand it when people (especially in a news article on a technology site) call it a "404 error" when you type in a non-existent domain name. 404 is an HTTP error given by a web server when it can't find the page you're asking for. In the case of a non-existent domain name, a web server (normally) never gets contacted. The proper name for this error is NXDOMAIN. | |
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