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| Re: The one thing to end all windows exploits: said by rtcy :
and kill active X out of windows once and for all, they lost that battle.
sprithippt!!?!??
THEY DID?????
You do actually own a computer....right?
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| Hmmm.... It sucks that M$ has such a crappy attitude towards this- if they would just fess up and fix the thing people would more highly regard them.
On the other hand though, it doesn't take much common sense to avoid this. Are people really so stupid and/or lazy as to not book mark a site?! Yes, its an exploit- but thinking wouldn't hurt either. I bet if people spent half as much time trying to crack other browsers and Linux that there would be just as many issues. So to all you smug users of other browsers- just wait, your time is coming. | |
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| Re: Hmmm.... said by Torn : said by SND2005 : I bet if people spent half as much time trying to crack other browsers and Linux that there would be just as many issues. So to all you smug users of other browsers- just wait, your time is coming.
Microsoft is a target, that's why.
Naw... Microsoft is a joke that is why. Look it is really simple. It really is, and you Microsux lovers are in serious denial...
We (Computer Scientists) have known for forty years that it was stupid to allow Joe $hit the RagMan... AKA LUSER to run with administrative privs on any system. Now, kiddies, the truth is Microsux knew that when they started down this path. They knew they shouldn't let, "Bubba LUSER", run with admin privs but they did not know how to get around the problems that would cause with MS-DOS apps and their installed base.... sooooo.... they just decided in their marketing driven engineering shop to IGNORE CONVENTIONAL PRUDENCE... They knew they shouldn't do it. They did it anyway. Now they are running on top of some forty or fifty million lines of code that was written on top assumptions which are known to be BAD PRACTICE. They aren't going to fix this problem because they can't fix it. Their system is a monolith, commonly recognized as BAD PRACTICE by the Computer Scientists world wide. Their monolith presumes the user at the console should have administrative rights, commonly recognized as BAD PRACTICE by Computer Scientists world wide.
Kiddies... this is not that hard to understand... but there are some who are so deeply in denial that saying it won't help... Microsloth knowingly screwed the pooch to ensure that they kept market share, with the mistaken belief that they could defy conventional wisdom and survive it. NOW YOU ARE PAYING THE PRICE... and kiddies, that is something you can't deny.
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| Re: Hmmm.... said by ikarus1 : Microsloth knowingly screwed the pooch to ensure that they kept market share, with the mistaken belief that they could defy conventional wisdom and survive it. NOW YOU ARE PAYING THE PRICE... and kiddies, that is something you can't deny.
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Well, I am pissed I did not think of doing what MS did first . Having Bill Gates money does not hurt at all. I am sure he losses sleep everynight with all the trouble he has caused.
Microsoft survived becuase they are a business. We had and have better OS made by scientist. Scientist are still pissed that us LUSER have the power that we have. For the better part of the last 40 years computing belonged only to the scientist. Companies like MS and Apple came and gave some of that power to the people.
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| Re: Hmmm.... said by Freezone :
I thank god for the PC, becuase I am glad the world of dumb terminals did not survive. Despite the constant problems with windows I will keep my computing power in my own controll thank you.
No Bill will keep your computer in his control and let you think that you have control...
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| said by ikarus1 : said by Torn : said by SND2005 : I bet if people spent half as much time trying to crack other browsers and Linux that there would be just as many issues. So to all you smug users of other browsers- just wait, your time is coming.
Microsoft is a target, that's why.
Naw... Microsoft is a joke that is why. Look it is really simple. It really is, and you Microsux lovers are in serious denial...
We (Computer Scientists) have known for forty years that it was stupid to allow Joe $hit the RagMan... AKA LUSER to run with administrative privs on any system. Now, kiddies, the truth is Microsux knew that when they started down this path. They knew they shouldn't let, "Bubba LUSER", run with admin privs but they did not know how to get around the problems that would cause with MS-DOS apps and their installed base.... sooooo.... they just decided in their marketing driven engineering shop to IGNORE CONVENTIONAL PRUDENCE... They knew they shouldn't do it. They did it anyway. Now they are running on top of some forty or fifty million lines of code that was written on top assumptions which are known to be BAD PRACTICE. They aren't going to fix this problem because they can't fix it. Their system is a monolith, commonly recognized as BAD PRACTICE by the Computer Scientists world wide. Their monolith presumes the user at the console should have administrative rights, commonly recognized as BAD PRACTICE by Computer Scientists world wide.
Kiddies... this is not that hard to understand... but there are some who are so deeply in denial that saying it won't help... Microsloth knowingly screwed the pooch to ensure that they kept market share, with the mistaken belief that they could defy conventional wisdom and survive it. NOW YOU ARE PAYING THE PRICE... and kiddies, that is something you can't deny.
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| Re: Hmmm.... said by roahboah : said by ikarus1 : said by Torn : said by SND2005 : I bet if people spent half as much time trying to crack other browsers and Linux that there would be just as many issues. So to all you smug users of other browsers- just wait, your time is coming.
Microsoft is a target, that's why.
Naw... Microsoft is a joke that is why. Look it is really simple. It really is, and you Microsux lovers are in serious denial...
We (Computer Scientists) have known for forty years that it was stupid to allow Joe $hit the RagMan... AKA LUSER to run with administrative privs on any system. Now, kiddies, the truth is Microsux knew that when they started down this path. They knew they shouldn't let, "Bubba LUSER", run with admin privs but they did not know how to get around the problems that would cause with MS-DOS apps and their installed base.... sooooo.... they just decided in their marketing driven engineering shop to IGNORE CONVENTIONAL PRUDENCE... They knew they shouldn't do it. They did it anyway. Now they are running on top of some forty or fifty million lines of code that was written on top assumptions which are known to be BAD PRACTICE. They aren't going to fix this problem because they can't fix it. Their system is a monolith, commonly recognized as BAD PRACTICE by the Computer Scientists world wide. Their monolith presumes the user at the console should have administrative rights, commonly recognized as BAD PRACTICE by Computer Scientists world wide.
Kiddies... this is not that hard to understand... but there are some who are so deeply in denial that saying it won't help... Microsloth knowingly screwed the pooch to ensure that they kept market share, with the mistaken belief that they could defy conventional wisdom and survive it. NOW YOU ARE PAYING THE PRICE... and kiddies, that is something you can't deny.
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Okay, great. Do you actually propose an alternative, or are you just pointing out Microsoft's apparent greed and/or sloth? Thanks, roah
Sure. Linux and FreeBSD are both mature enough for the desktop, have excellent applications... shoot the other day I was running OpenOffice and working with Excel spread sheet files... OpenOffice is as good as MS Office and that is the application that is keeping business people from migrating to a free operating system.
It is like IBM is saying in their ads, "The Future is Open".
Get on board or get left behind.
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| said by roahboah : Okay, great. Do you actually propose an alternative, or are you just pointing out Microsoft's apparent greed and/or sloth?
It's called use an operating system that enforces privlege levels and separation. Any UNIX variant does this. And no, I'm not a Linux zealot. All you have to do is look at Apple's OS-X (built on top of BSD).
Hell, the people at MicroSoft that first came up with NT were ex-VAX people and knew better than to create the current mess. NT sorta used to have separation. Then, they decided, "let's take our consumer OS line and our business OS line and merge them." Unfortunately, in the process, they gutted the miniscule level of protection that was in their business OS line.
But hey, it shure duz play gamez real good.
Hope every last Windows user who doesn't protect themselves from MS design defects learns the hard way what crap they're using.
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| Re: Hmmm.... I don't suppose you've ever looked at a functioning active directory structure, have you? Don't bother answering... most people who sit back all smug in their guru chairs wouldn't dare dirty their hands on a Windows machine.
My company has been in business for over 22 years, and I have to deal with (read: fix) systems of all makes, running every OS you can think of. Yeah, I even have punks bringing in Solaris crap. Trust me, chief, the line seperating Operating Systems is getting thinner.
You say look at OS-X? I say look at 2k, XP, Longhorn, 2k3... they're all just Unix with a pretty shell. Sure, that'll probably give you a coronary or whatnot, but you can't deny the truth. Any tech worth two cents will agree. | |
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| said by ikarus1 :
We (Computer Scientists) have known for forty years that it was stupid to allow Joe $hit the RagMan...
Yours is the superior intellect. -- Guaranteed Fear and Loathing. Abandon all hope. Prepare for the Weirdness. Get familiar with Cannibalism. | |
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| Re: Hmmm.... said by Beeper : said by ikarus1 :
We (Computer Scientists) have known for forty years that it was stupid to allow Joe $hit the RagMan...
Yours is the superior intellect.
Education does not equate to intellect... Microsoft employees Computer Scientists as well...
You figure it out, it isn't really that difficult.
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| Computer scientist you are not, a prepubescent you are. Seriously, I bet you're a closet Windows user.
I use Microsoft Windows (notice the lack of script kiddie/Linux zealot mis-spelling(s) of Windows and Microsoft) and like it. I also use FreeBSD and Linux. (*Gasp*!) and love them as well. They have their places. If you don't like it, then don't use it. Simple huh?
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| Re: Hmmm.... said by BSDUser: Computer scientist you are not, a prepubescent you are. Seriously, I bet you're a closet Windows user.
I use Microsoft Windows (notice the lack of script kiddie/Linux zealot mis-spelling(s) of Windows and Microsoft) and like it. I also use FreeBSD and Linux. (*Gasp*!) and love them as well. They have their places. If you don't like it, then don't use it. Simple huh?
Remember, Linux is for people who hate Windows. BSD is for people who love Unix.
said by BSDUser: Computer scientist you are not, a prepubescent you are. Seriously, I bet you're a closet Windows user.
I use Microsoft Windows (notice the lack of script kiddie/Linux zealot mis-spelling(s) of Windows and Microsoft) and like it. I also use FreeBSD and Linux. (*Gasp*!) and love them as well. They have their places. If you don't like it, then don't use it. Simple huh?
Remember, Linux is for people who hate Windows. BSD is for people who love Unix.
Computer Scientist, I am. and child if we're remembering, let us remember that 'BSD' ain't System-V, and SCO is sueing for the right to take OpenSource off the net. If there is one thing I'll garauntee you it is that the *BSD you use DOES violate SCO's rights...
Duh... now go learn something and come back when you understand wheel...
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| quote: I bet if people spent half as much time trying to crack other browsers and Linux that there would be just as many issues. So to all you smug users of other browsers- just wait, your time is coming.
Bszzt, Wrong. It's because of poor code and security on the Windows side. UNIX'es are more secure and that's an undeniable fact. It has nothing to do with focusing attnetion on Windows. It has to do with the fact that on Windows security was an afterthought, where with UNIX'es it was the main goal.
Difference in development ideologies and the fact that UNIX has been around since the 60's make it a much more stable and secure platform than Windows can ever hope to be. | |
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| Re: Hmmm.... Haaa haaa haaaaa haaaaa......You freakish people are so funny. This isn't even about a "who is better" type war as you all would like to make it. (Windows would appear to better if you look at sales.. )
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Sooo.. they wrote security code just to write security code? What exactly were they securing? Maybe perhaps the OS was the main goal?
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| Re: Hmmm.... said by Talis : said by MacUser04: It has to do with the fact that on Windows security was an afterthought, where with UNIX'es it was the main goal.
Sooo.. they wrote security code just to write security code? What exactly were they securing? Maybe perhaps the OS was the main goal?
I don't mind a good 'UNIX IS GOD' rant - well maybe I do - but it should at least be semi-credible.
Oh, Lord, Please deliver me from idiots... Naturally the object was to secure the OS first. What? Is it better to secure only user land? You do know what user land is, right? Oh, Doh?! (slapping my head violently) of course you don't know what user land is... you are a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer... I knew that.
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| typical MS Typical Microsoft: break protocols, then claim it's sooooo much better for you. Market the heck out of it, then all but the sharp don't know any better. Dear MS: it's not rocket science; Mozilla for example has no problem with this, and we don't know what your problem is in obscuring stuff.
Actually, come to think of it, this is also right up their alley. Let's not show the user what the Web server sent you on an error; they probably can't handle that. No, let's put up our own "friendly" page with 3 paragraphs of cruft explaining what the problem might be instead, while the user has to wade through all that in order to find out what the problem really was. "Obscure as much of the real world as possible" is the Microsoft way, so it's no big surprise that they hide a NUL or SOH.
It's also soooo comforting to know that if it's two days after their monthly release cycle day when a new problem is discovered that my system will be broken in some way for another 28 or so days. I guess it's too "confusing" to have a properly working system. -- English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules. Blog is here | |
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| WtF? quote: As a result, Microsoft will be eliminating the ability of IE to recognize the "@" character in URLS altogether - meaning websites that still use the character to denote user login information will need to change their ways once the next patch is applied. A second exploit that allows scammers to disguise true file extensions was unveiled earlier this week.
Huh? Mozilla firebird doesn't allow Phishing, yet I can still use username:password@domain-name.com. Why can't IE do the same. -- Girls don't really like me That's why I hate myself Maybe it's cause of the way I look Or maybe it's something else »maxolasersquad.com | |
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| Not limited to IE... The [url]@[ip address] spoof problem is not limited to IE.
I tried the following on a Mac using Safari 1.0, IE 5.2.2, Mozilla 1.6, and Firebird 0.7:
»www.chase.com@158.171.210.42
and all the browsers redirected to 158.171.210.42 (Fleet Bank's website) rather than generating an error or displaying Chase Manhattan Bank's website.
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| Easy to to avoid being phished If you are going to a site that you fear may be a phishing exploit (site you don't trust)
Simply right click the link and goto properties there you will see "somedomain.com%01@realdomain.com" except the %01 will be a wild character more like ||. Haven't ran across the download phishing yet. Should be able to do the same on it though.
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| Re: Easy to to avoid being phished That is true too. But that would be after you clicked on the phishing url and are on the fake site..
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| they're all bad So typical, and its not just Microsoft, its all software in general, why do they release the software/game then created patches, point releases, or my favorite the ever famous 'update'? Wouldn't it be better if they tested the product thouroughly first then release it? Could be a new idea.....maybe I'm onto something | |
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| Uh, mozilla full time anyone? As a result, Microsoft will be eliminating the ability of IE to recognize the "@" character in URLS altogether - meaning websites that still use the character to denote user login information will need to change their ways once the next patch is applied.
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