H.323 HeadachesAudio-video conferencing standard flaw ( old news - 03:02PM Tuesday Jan 13 2004) tags: hardware · security · VoIPThe H.323 protocol, primarily used for video-conferencing and VoIP applications, has been consistently beaten down as a troublesome cluster of standards and protocols since its inception. Flaws in the implementation of these standards is now raising concerns that VoIP networks and users could be at risk of denial of service and buffer overflow attacks. - Part of the reason video-conferencing hasn't grown into a mainstream application is thanks to H.323, a standard long-ago approved by the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) for audiovisual data transmission across networks. In reality it's really a hodge-podge of assorted standards and protocols, and frequently a nightmare for the security conscious. Even when working properly, the protocol isn't particularly friendly, requiring 98 percent of the 65,000 odd ports through your firewall be open for it to work effectively. The standard is frequently used in everything from Cisco hardware to Microsoft Net-meeting. This week finds H.323 under fire yet again; the U.K. National Infrastructure Security Co-Ordination Centre issuing a new warning that a vulnerability in the standard's implementation could allow attackers to launch buffer overflow and denial of service attacks against VoIP products. The NISCC warning lists which products are in jeopardy, with Cisco quick to issue their own advisory and workarounds. All Cisco products that run the Cisco IOS software and support H.323 packet processing are potentially impacted by the flaw, as well as products by Nortel and Hewlett Packard (though HP is still investigating). Microsoft has indicated the company will release fixes for products utilizing H.323 during their "once-monthly" security patch release later this month. Successful attacks could either completely crash or reboot unpatched hardware or applications, as well as triggering 100% consumption of a system's resources. The vulnerabilities in H.323 are thanks to assorted errors in the transfer of H.225.0 and Q.931 messages via TCP, which are exploitable by sending specially crafted messages to an affected system via port 1720/tcp. For reference, check out this thread in our VoIP forum explaining why many of our users simply prefer dealing with SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) based communication. Related:- Tuesday Morning Links
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 Cpl Crippler
join:2003-12-13 Rockledge, FL | Works for me..... Have been using ISDN for Video Conferencing for forever.. Don't see where the issue is.. Maybe this isn't the same..
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|  |   calvoiper
join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Re: Works for me..... Congratulations!
By finding and flogging a use for ISDN (a/k/a "I Still Don't Need") you have forever earned a warm spot in the hearts of Baby Bell top management!
As for the rest of us who prefer to have our data hauled in the equivalent of no-frills Chevy pickups (as opposed to being hauled in opulent surroundings worthy of the back seat of a Rolls-Royce limo), we'd rather not fund the outrageous overhead of ISDN.
Calvoiper -- VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
|  |  wentlanc You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH | ISDN is a media, not a protocol. Totally different things. Sure is lucky that you packed all of that info in the first post. Everyone will appreciate it.
puritan | |
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  djrobx
join:2000-05-31 Valencia, CA
·AT&T U-Verse
·PHONE POWER
| Go with SIP! SIP eliminates a lot of the headaches. Our company looked at doing videoconferencing with H.323, but instead we're using all SIP based stuff and it works well without the firewall headaches.
-- Rob -- \\ROB - a part of the SCB local network | |
|   calvoiper
join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| SIP is better Natch, a centralized protocol like H.323 is ALWAYS vulnerable to hacking at the hub. Of course, the hub makers (router folks, etc.) want hub-centric architecture so they can sell hubs.
SIP is better, but for multi-person conferences, you may need some sort of centralized hub. Mano-a-mano, however, cut the hub loose!
Calvoiper -- VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
|  |   cyberthugin
join:2002-03-12 Kew Gardens, NY | Re: SIP is better Do u have a url for this technology? | |
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 clecrupt9
join:2002-01-22 GA | Business Phone Systems Thousands of phone systems are affected by this. | |
|  |  JJV Premium join:2001-04-25 Seattle, WA clubs: | Re: Business Phone Systems Good Hopefully someone will shut down EarthStinks tech support in india. | |
|  |  |  wentlanc You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH | Re: Business Phone Systems It's not even there yet.
puritan | |
|  |  |  |  Automate
join:2001-06-26 Atlanta, GA 1 edit | Re: Business Phone Systems Actually, some of it already is. They are just moving more of it over there with the newest announcement. | |
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  PhillySteve
join:2001-03-06 King Of Prussia, PA
1 edit | Public v. Private I work for a major VC services company. This appears that connections over the public IP would be affected. So far the larger companies that have already moved to IP are doing it via a VPN, totally private. So from what I can tell you would have to first get into their VPN in order to do any damage using the holes in H.323
Aside from that I work with H323 all day & I must agree it is a pain in the arse.. -- E - A - G - L - E - S EAGLES!!!! The 700 Level rules! | |
|  AirGig
join:1999-11-21 New York, NY
| So what works well? For my fellow corporate IT brethren: So, is there a reliable, robust VC solution that is IP-based and can use the Internet for multi-point VC communication?
I've briefly looked at Linktivity's product. Should I be looking at others?
TIA!!! | |
|  |   PhillySteve
join:2001-03-06 King Of Prussia, PA | Re: So what works well? Air,
Well it depends on several factors. Budget, frequency of use, call quality etc. Do your research & hopefully you will find the right vendor for you! -- E - A - G - L - E - S EAGLES!!!! The 700 Level rules! | |
|  |  |   whizkid3 Premium,MVM join:2002-02-21 Queens, NY
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| Re: So what works well? quote: By finding and flogging a use for ISDN (a/k/a "I Still Don't Need") you have forever earned a warm spot in the hearts of Baby Bell top management!
Actually, there are a million and one uses for ISDN, the majority of them being business oriented. That is why ISDN is very popular (again for specific business applications). IDSN is also very, very popular overseas, for local and international applications.
Calvoiper, you sound bitter over a technology! Get a grip. | |
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 Lazalaca
join:2004-04-29
| Can someone help H.323
Hi all I installed a Polycom Viavideo II(H323 based) at my mothers house in Vancouver Washington I also have one here at home in Budapest Hungary, My mom has broadband from Comcast and I have also have broadband from UPC. From here I can call any test site that is supported by Polycom and also the Codian server test site. From my mothers place no calls worked at all, I tried fixed ports and other tricks but still nothing. Can someone please help me out. | |
|  mmagliaro4
join:2004-06-01 State College, PA
| Overreacting - big time
If you are going to pick on H.323, and there is plenty to pick on, at least get your facts straight. The claim that you need "98% of the 65000 or so ports" open in your firewall in order to get H.323 to work right is utter nonsense. I haven't seen an H.323 product worth it's salt that doesn't let you select what ports you want it to use. And you can easily clamp this down to less than 10 ports.
There are a few "well known" ones that you have to have open, like 1720, but that's also true for web serving, or email. Would you like to bash them too?
And all the stations do NOT have to use the same ports, nor do they have to know what ports each other has chosen to use. All you need to do is decide on a set of ports you'll allow open at your enterprise's firewall, and stick to those. Then, ANYBODY from outside your firewall will be able to call you.
Geeze. H.323 is complicated, and it has its problems. But needing too many ports open in a firewall ain't one of 'em. | |
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