First BPL CityBroadband-via power-line in Manassas ( old news - 09:32AM Tuesday Jan 13 2004) tags: alternatives · bandwidthThe nation's first non-trial broadband via power-line city is set to go live next week. Residents of Manassas, Virginia will see speeds between 560 and 840kbps for $27.00 a month - via their electrical outlets. The BPL (broadband via power-line) connectivity is provided by a company called Prospect Street broadband, who just recently completed the first phase of their BPL deployment, reports local news sources. The system will cost the region between $250,000 and $350,000 to implement. Amateur radio has of course made their concerns heard. In a letter faxed to Manassas Mayor Marvin L. Gillum, ARRL CEO David Sumner warns: "Your advisors no doubt have made the Council fully aware of the great potential for radio interference from such a system." "Tests conducted by ARRL technical personnel have shown that the system planned to be deployed in Manassas causes harmful interference to the Amateur Radio service."Opponents to such systems argue that broadband over power-line sends wideband radio signals over poorly shielded wires not particularly designed with high-speed internet in mind. The result is that these 2 to 80 MHz signals are broadcast into neighborhoods as if from antennas from every participating power-line, interfering with radio communications (be it amateur or emergency) and polluting HF bands. The resulting noise, occasionally 10,000 times higher than acceptable levels in some world-wide trials, has in some cases been enough to disable 20-meter monobanders on high-rise buildings, or - in one case in Austria - disable Red Cross communications during an emergency disaster response drill. While there are plenty of trials ongoing in the U.S., Manassas is the first to deploy a city-wide BPL system. It's estimated that the city of Manassas could bring in $4.5 million over the life of the 10-year contract with Prospect Street Broadband, so the shift toward BPL hasn't seen many delays, interference or not. The remainder of the city is expected to be completely wired with the service within three to four months, according to local officials. Area leaders were quick to vote on city-wide deployment after participants in a local trial were enthusiastic about the system's performance. The system is utilizing technology from Main.net, a BPL provider that offers related utility connectivity to 40 power utilities in more than 20 countries. There are BPL alternatives whose emissions occur within the unlicensed 5 GHz ISM band (these systems utilize wireless for the last mile), and are less likely to cause interference; one such deployment, which also offers better speeds, is being tested by California Pacific Gas and Electric and Corridor Systems. According to local officials, roughly four-hundred users have signed up for the service before Prospect Street Broadband even began advertising connectivity. The company indicates it should be able to obtain profitability if ten percent of eligible households sign up for service. Business tiers with speeds up to 1.5mbps are also available.
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| Wow !! I was expecting they wouldnt even think of doing it for atleast a couple more years.. But 840kbps??? I thought it was suppose to have much higher transfer then that... Now if that is 840 Upstream and it has a low ping/no packet loss then that is a good deal..
BTW: thats only 1 state from me..
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| bpl good or bad is not the point here the point is the fcc and the head of it is micheal powell he wants bpl no matter what and he can get backed up because his brother is cowell powell sectary of state. bpl may not leave till both powells leave office that my 2 cents. | |
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| Re: Wow !! said by hamnotforbpl:
bpl good or bad is not the point here the point is the fcc and the head of it is micheal powell he wants bpl no matter what and he can get backed up because his brother is cowell powell sectary of state. bpl may not leave till both powells leave office that my 2 cents.
You're joking right? *Colin* Powel is *Michael* Powel's FATHER
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| Re: Wow !! His name is Colin.. And wtansill is correct. Colin is Michael's FATHER... | |
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rf_engineer
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conwin powell and micheal powell are brothers.
Hi, ham. Just curious, what's your callsign? (I can't IM you)
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Sharingan
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North Hollywood, CA | Hmmm if they make it 1500k Down and 1500k for $50 and below ill switch in a heart beat. | |
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| NIce Edit: dang, someone beat me
The price should be very attrictive, but the speeds are lacking to existing, entrenched technologies. Still, a third player in the "utility" broadband is welcome.
Maybe this is the tier that gets people off of dialup...
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| Re: NIce But think that it might be available for those who cant get broadband, I suppose that would be a better option for people then satellite would be.
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clubs: | Upload is the same as Download! Cool, the speeds are the same up and down! Hurry up and get this deployed in the UK too...
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| said by NeO_JAW  :
Cool, the speeds are the same up and down! Hurry up and get this deployed in the UK too...
For news on the UK version of this failed legacy technology check;
»bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthreade···n=909724
"we've had it for some months now in Stonehaven... We get a reasonable upload speed of around 400kbps, but downloads are usually around 300. That's a far cry from the "speeds up to 1 meg" that they claim. Service is not too great either. We have several times lost all connectivity for periods of several hours". In his only other post at ISPreview, Bob says "We have both BT broadband and Hydro Broadband here. BT broadband is significantly faster for most tasks.".
Looks as if it sucks as well as pollutes. | |
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| Re: Upload is the same as Download! "We have several times lost all connectivity for periods of several hours"
You know what that means don't you?
It means ingress from Licensed Services.
Whenever someone within 5 miles transmitts at only 5watts in the HF band, all traffic in the area will be halted because the bit error rate will be 10 e-1 to 10 e-3 as long as the transmissions continue. Whenever they unkey, the system waits a few seconds to try and reconnect, but most transmissions occur randomly within this time, especially CW transmissions. Now look at the CB band for example, there's always someone on there within a mile of anywhere. | |
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| Business uses »www.prospectstreet.com/psb/Produ···ices.htm
Not bad pricing for symmetrical services. If the latency and the bandwidth is good that would be a good solution for someone not wanting to speed 800/mnth for a T1. 359/mnth for 1500/1500 is in reach of most smaller businesses. Only thing I dont see on the site is a AUP or SLA, which makes me wonder if they just have not done one yet or the service is shady. Cant wait to see some reviews on this. | |
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philippines | 560 - 840? just wish people here would get on going and get us those speeds. here, wether cable or dsl, even business packages rarely go over 1mbps down.:(
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| Wondering How can this be a non-trial when the FCC has not yet ruled on it's permissibility under part 15. It seems to me the the city council is jumping the gun a little. I wonder who is going to be left holding the bag on these deployments.
Of course if this makes the big players march in acting like the cavalry riding in at the last minute to save the day COOL! | |
| | moonpuppy
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Glen Burnie, MD | Re: Wondering Don't worry. Manassas will have fun paying for the removal of the technology when it really causes problems. Wonder where they will get the money from?  | |
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| Re: Wondering said by moonpuppy :
Don't worry. Manassas will have fun paying for the removal of the technology when it really causes problems. Wonder where they will get the money from?
One thought does come to mind...
Abandon In Place (after powering down)  | |
| | w2co
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|  Austrian Authorities Pull Plug on BPL
Austrian Authorities Pull Plug on BPL Pilot Project
NEWINGTON, CT, Jan 8, 2004--The Austrian Amateur Transmitter Federation (Österreichischer Versuchssenderverband--ÖVSV) reports that a Broadband over Power Line (BPL) field test in the city of Linz has been cut short as a result of excessive radio interference. ÖVSV, Austria's International Amateur Radio Union (IARU) member-society, said in December that the Government Ministry for Commerce, Innovation and Technology closed down Linz Power Company's BPL pilot project because it was generating interference on the HF bands. Shortwave broadcaster Radio Austria's futureZone service says the case that brought the issue to a head was a Red Cross report that emergency services radio traffic during a disaster response drill last May was the victim of massive BPL interference.
"The Commerce Ministry Order not only means the end of the Linz BPL pilot project," the Radio Austria report said, "but the end of the deployment of this technology in Austria, especially given the interference to radio communication in places of business." According to the broadcaster, measurements were said to have indicated that radiation from the BPL system exceeded permissible field strength levels by a factor of 10,000.
ÖVSV says radio amateurs in Austria have opposed deployment of all BPL experiments on the basis of Austrian communication law as well as International Telecommunication Union international regulations due to the "massive interference to international communication on the important shortwave bands." The Federation maintains that in its current form BPL--also known in Austria as "Internet from the Electrical Outlet"--is neither legal nor compatible with "vital, worldwide shortwave radiocommunication."
Among other problems with BPL, ÖVSV has cited its potential to disrupt emergency communications and safety-of-life services as well as military operations on HF and navigation and aeronautical communication.
Last fall, ÖVSV representatives and Linz amateurs got together with power company representatives in an effort to resolve BPL's incompatibility with HF radio operation. The meetings followed news reports of interference to emergency service communications and QRM complaints from several area hams. "Because of the racket, expensive installations, such as a 20-meter monobander on a high-rise building, become totally worthless," ÖVSV said.
The utility agreed to look into the possibility of a 100-meter protective zone around each amateur's location, notch filters for amateur frequencies, network system filters and the use of 5 GHz wireless local area networks. But what about all the other frequencies of interest? They will never end notching out frequencies for other established users. | |
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| Interesting fine print As noticed on the Prospect WebSite:
"Speed and uninterrupted use of service are not guaranteed. Acceptance of Prospect Street Terms of Service required. Limit one offer per power line. An installation fee and modem rental fee may apply. Laptop users and some desktop users may need to purchase an Ethernet card. Modem is a new or a fully inspected, tested, and warranted return unit. Self-installation not available in all areas. Other terms and conditions apply. Prospect Street reserves the right to revoke or amend this offer without notice."
All of this for $27/month and a lightweight broadband connection with no roadmap? Not clear what is the initial subscriber investment on top of this: must they purchase a special PLC LAN router? And does it really reach all home outlets once hooked up? I noticed the story refers to an implementation cost but not an operation and maintenance cost... Some Washington DC area lawyers will certainly do well on BPL deployment. Who is holding the money bag if this does not work out technically (aka RF interference), financially and/or in the regulatory area? | |
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| Re: Interesting fine print said by CheeseWare :
As noticed on the Prospect WebSite:
Modem is a new or a fully inspected, tested, and warranted return unit.
Guess that many of the modems were last used in Linz!!! | |
| | w2co
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| Also keep in mind that any "EMI" filtering on your outlets must be bypassed, this includes most UPS systems as they inherently have EMI filtering built in. Even those simple power strips that have EMI filters installed will attenuate the signal. So if you want to run BPL at home you will not be able to run a UPS or EMI power strip, or else your connect speed will be only a fraction of the stated speeds if that at all. Did anyone say that all UPS systems must be redesigned for this technology? No and they won't tell you this either. | |
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| Re: Interesting fine print The trickiest matter on deploying PLC LANs is qualifying the wiring systems and equipment running on top of it, as you are eluding to (it reminds me of the access segment  ). I did put a posting on this topic several months ago looking for UPS and Surge Protection Vendors that would interwork with PLC LANs. There was very little interest on the BBR networking forum (or from Vendors I invited to respond); UL certification of such equipment is also an issue. Note that many UPS do not have an isolation transformer and will let these frequencies through. I have found one Vendor of PowerSurge equipment that will let the PLC LAN frequencies through. Controlling this kind of equipment in someone else premise in the immediate neighborhood is however not an easy matter. The promised "reach" of the PLC LAN to all AC outlets has definitely been overblown and likely hindered deployment of these LANs thus far. | |
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| See... The FCC has already ruled that BPL is classified as a Part 15 device.
It hasn't been causing significant interference in radio transmissions, thus the FCC ruling to leave it alone for now. Assured they are still reviewing pleas, and complaints that it will bring upon us the apocalyptic , But all independent & sponsored testing has failed to provide significant evidence that it is interfering with licensed radio devices or emergency communications to such an extent that it is by far "polluting".
It's about time that they "Make it official".
I await my Utility Company to rollout their test bed, and know that it will be just as good here. | |
| | N0JCG
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Minneapolis, MN | Re: See... What test results? Where are they published? BPL providers have provided nothing except paper studies. | |
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| said by ctceo :
The FCC has already ruled that BPL is classified as a Part 15 device. But all independent & sponsored testing has failed to provide significant evidence that it is interfering with licensed radio devices or emergency communications to such an extent that it is by far "polluting".
All this means is the FCC has declared it has jurisdiction
over this technology, it doesn't mean it has been excepted
and given FCC approval. As for no evidence of interference go to the link below for just one example.
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| said by ctceo :
The FCC has already ruled that BPL is classified as a Part 15 device.
Live by Part 15, die by Part 15. How do you explain to a customer that you have to cease service in an area when a licensed service complains of interference? What kind of spin do you put on when customers complain about the lousy service when ingress interference takes segments of the network down?
BTW, ctceo, how did your emissions tests come out? Will these test results ever see the light of day? | |
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| As stated before the test results are property of the utility company requiring our service, and the FCC agent in charge of interference monitoring. Should they decide to make this info public, you will know.
Rest assured that it is causing no problems that can't be handled with a few insulator repairs, and coupler rerouting schemes to prevent feedback through, or rather around the insulated circuit.
And why is it that the only documents the ARRL can come up with about "Interference Related" problems are in countries where the wiring is tired and broken, and just about every insulator has failed??? Simple answer, Because it causes problems there we must stop it before it causes problems here. Why, who knows, maybe it's because they think they own frequency allotments.
I was able to re-create the sounds from the ARRL video simply by placing an old AM radio, Power Inverter, or a Static Filled Blanket within a foot or two from my YAESU FT-847. The video proves Nothing. The simple fact that the FCC has seen the results, and the actual product in service is operating well under allowable limits in it's "test" (and soon to be official) "beds".
Look forward to seeing it in your rural community in 3-5 years, if not sooner. | |
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| Re: See... I don't understand why you included Comm Abernathy's comments. Her office has already apologized for the overly enthusiastic tone and confirmed that interference prevention is a bedrock issue for the FCC.
RF Engineer is right, BPL will live and die on Part 15.
Let the complaints begin in Manassas! | |
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| Re: See... said by N0JCG :
... Comm Abernathy's comments. Her office has already apologized for the overly enthusiastic tone and confirmed that interference prevention is a bedrock issue for the FCC.
That's also reflected in the changes that were made when Commissioner Abernathy subsequently gave this speech to other audiences »hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···85A1.doc | |
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| Re: See... said by Ad astra :
said by N0JCG :
... Comm Abernathy's comments. Her office has already apologized for the overly enthusiastic tone and confirmed that interference prevention is a bedrock issue for the FCC.
That's also reflected in the changes that were made when Commissioner Abernathy subsequently gave this speech to other audiences »hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···85A1.doc
Excerpts from the Kathleen Abernathy speech;
“Regardless of what one thinks about the appropriateness of common carrier regulations or related rules to BPL providers, there should be no doubt that regulators cannot permit new technologies to disrupt the operators of spectrum licensees in adjacent bands.”
“While the FCC has a duty to prevent harmful interference, I believe we should be circumspect about applying other types of regulation to nascent technologies such as BPL.“
We have come a long way from the original misguided statements inspired by the BPL lobbyists. | |
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rf_engineer
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| said by ctceo :
As stated before the test results are property of the utility company requiring our service, and the FCC agent in charge of interference monitoring. Should they decide to make this info public, you will know.
I'd like to see the results but it doesn't really matter. It's merely consist with the BPL industry's secrecy and lack of publicly available measurement information. "The truth will set you free" applies here, and the industry doesn't want to publish the truth.
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Rest assured that it is causing no problems that can't be handled with a few insulator repairs, and coupler rerouting schemes to prevent feedback through, or rather around the insulated circuit.
Insulator repairs fix anomalies which cause arcing and intermodulation, but it doesn't address the issue of the conductors inherently acting like antennas. And please elaborate on the feedback issue. That's a new one for me.
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And why is it that the only documents the ARRL can come up with about "Interference Related" problems are in countries where the wiring is tired and broken, and just about every insulator has failed??? Simple answer, Because it causes problems there we must stop it before it causes problems here. Why, who knows, maybe it's because they think they own frequency allotments.
No one owns frequency allocations, but Part 97 gives us privleges there. Your BPL is operating under Part 15 which we've talked about ad nausem -- BPL is using the weakest part of Title 47 to exist.
The reason why there is so much documentation on interference related problems in other countries is because BPL has been pushed and trialed in these areas long before it hit the US. If the whole interference issue came down to insulators, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It would be in production in numerous countries and generating revenue. But it's not.
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I was able to re-create the sounds from the ARRL video simply by placing an old AM radio, Power Inverter, or a Static Filled Blanket within a foot or two from my YAESU FT-847. The video proves Nothing. The simple fact that the FCC has seen the results, and the actual product in service is operating well under allowable limits in it's "test" (and soon to be official) "beds".
I can create RFI with numerous devices too, but that has absolutely nothing to do with BPL. The video shows S9 signals emanating from BPL test sites. The ARRL even worked with a subscriber at the Emmaus site to clearly link BPL data transfer to the signals observed on the HF bands. If you're implying the ARRL tests were rigged, that's a whole different matter and you don't have anything to back that up.
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Look forward to seeing it in your rural community in 3-5 years, if not sooner.
I already have Cable modem service in my rural community, thank you. They've scooped up all the potential subscribers and just increased their downstream customer bandwidth to 3 Mbs. It's been in service for something like four years, it works, and it doesn't go down when I transmit on my station. I enjoy cruising the Internet while I'm operating my station...something I'll never do with BPL due to ingress interference. | |
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| said by ctceo :
... why is it that the only documents the ARRL can come up with about "Interference Related" problems are in countries where the wiring is tired and broken, and just about every insulator has failed???
Where does one go to find such tired wiring and failed insulators in the European electrical distribution network, a network in which the use of overhead, open wire lines is a rarity?
Look at some of the countries where problems have been reported:
•The Netherlands where 100% of the LV & MV networks are underground.
•The UK where 81% of the LV & MV networks are underground.
•Germany where 75% of the LV and 60% of the MV networks are underground.
Ref.: »europa.eu.int/comm/energy/electr···ding.pdf
Those are substantially higher rates of undergrounding than one will find for any comparably sized and populated area in the US. Far from being tired, the distribution infrastructure in at least some of the countries where BPL has been tried and failed is far better suited to the deployment of BPL than in the US.
The totality of the record demonstrates that BPL has caused problems everywhere it's been tried. Where's a counter example of a single success story?
said by ctceo :
Simple answer, Because it causes problems there we must stop it before it causes problems here.
BPL has been tried in places where the infrastructure is more favorably disposed to its success than here and it has still caused problems there.
Yes, maybe that is a fact that should be taken into consideration. | |
| | w2co
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| "But all independent & sponsored testing has failed to provide significant evidence that it is interfering with licensed radio devices"
Are you blind or just incompetent?
Look at the ARRL videos of the mobile hf receiver and the consistent noise level increases observed. If you cannot find this noise floor then you are incompetent or just radio/RF illiterate.
I wonder where this "data" is that you keep referring to?
Either put up or shut up.
As far as: "It's about time that they "Make it official".
It is not "official" now or will it ever be in the future.
It is still just an "expanded" test site, and now is when the interference concerns will surface because the effective radiation area is widened now, and lots more devices will be exposed not just a few blocks worth.
The NTIA, FEMA, NIST, ARRL, AMSAT, DSES can't be wrong, and no corporate loin licking beaurocratics are going to overpower this. The HF spectrum is too valuable to be trashed just because of some lame technology to allow a few bitheads who want to download their p0rn a little faster than dialup. | |
| David95037
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| Same as the Linz system which was shut down Main.Net who provide the equipment for Manassas also provided the equipment in Linz, Austria. The Linz system was shut down due to massive interference that was 10,000 times the permitted level.
Meanwhile, in Japan they have over 1,000,000 FTTH connections already and are adding 25,000 a week. (Japan closely examined BPL and banned it due to the spectrum pollution).
Looks as if we are the dumping ground for the world’s unwanted and failed ideas. | |
| Kommie
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East Haven, CT | Wow Upload!!! Get this deployed soon maybe comcast will see upload competition. For 27 dollars a month and 840/840 I will switch in seconds.... | |
| powrful1
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| At some point soon Everything will be wireless. That is where everything is going. You will have your dsl and cable or sat that will set up communication points just like 802.011a/b/g. Many places like airports, malls, schools, and hotels are already there.
I know tell me something you don't already know....well the cost is going to go down. Ease will go up, and happy people will be abound...I see it will be like cell phone service where as you will get your minutes like unlimited, and then if you want a server or something it will be extra. | |
| proBPLguy
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| Solid tech, Solid revenue model For all the hysteria and overreaction on this thread, I wonder if anyone cares that the Main.net tech has been certified as Part 15 compliant by an FCC accredited laboratory in actual field conditions.
Also, for you folks who just can't see how any broadband service could be offered for $30, let the adults handle the business model. Prospect Street Broadband, a privately held company, has plenty of investor money behind them to build a national BPL brand. Incidentally, PSB is a subsidiary of Prospect Street Ventures, a Wall Street VC firm.
The technology simply isn't that expensive to deploy and maintain. Once Manassas is live, and point sources of RF leakage are plugged, interference will be within FCC limits, no better or worse than garage door openers and baby monitors.
So there's my response to the claims of no technical data to support non-interference (which involves proving a negative, BTW), and to the ludicrous objections on the financial side.
YES, I've seen the Manassa revenue model, and NO, I will not share it just to satisfy BPL detractors that enjoy hurling insults and invective at a emerging technology they fear exploring and developing in the USA.
That said, BPL is only an interim solution until FTTH is available. The idea of a massive federal program is stupid. Broadband is being deployed by the municipalities in rural areas, just as the power grid was in the 1930s. No giant (wasteful) federal government program was required then, and none is required now.
Also its "accepted" not "excepted" for the guy in Wyoming. | |
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Alpharetta, GA | Re: let the adults handle the business model Laugh it up, fuzzball! | |
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| Re: Broadband Over Powerlines, Brought to You By... Homeplug does not equal BPL. Homeplug is a similar concept, but it's within home wiring which is considerably different from medium voltage lines that BPL is carried on. BPL vendors don't necessarily use the same modulation schemes as Homeplug.
Also note that Homeplug ended up notching Amateur Radio bands from their products due to the interference concerns, especially in residential areas where HomePlug would be found. While notching Amateur Radio frequencies on BPL may protect that one service, it doesn't address the numerous other licensed services. | |
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| Re: Broadband Over Powerlines, Brought to You By... said by JTRockville :
Ah, I see. That certainly makes more sense now. Thanks for clearing that up.
So Homeplug technology would be used as an alternative to running ethernet throughout your house?
Does it have advantages over the wireless products currently available?
No! | |
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| RE: Broadband-via power-line in Manassas Well, we're off to a good start that's for sure. It would appear that this company is at least a little bit concerned about users without the availablity of a true broadband solution other than Satellite. I know for a fact that Manassas doesn't really have any broadband solutions available to most of the users and the price you cannot beat as AOL will offer dial-up service for $23.95.
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kenjo
@67.131.x.x | Re: RE: Broadband-via power-line in Manassas I just received the Zplug BPL service in Manassas Va. It is $26.95 Month and I installed it in less then 3 minutes and I am using it right now. I have ran about 10 speed tests and the average is 300k. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ | Dismal They're going to pollute the airwaves and it cant even do a megabit. geez. only in america. *sigh*
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