Comcast for $20? Roadrunner for $26.95?
When DSL providers dropped their prices this year, there was supposed to be a full-blown price-war with cable. Well, there was no war - but some interesting, albeit regional, cable bargains emerged to indicate there's at least the hint of a skirmish.
Earlier this year we were the first to mention
that Comcast was offering broadband service for $19.95 a month in limited markets. If users in California, Illinois and Maryland presented their DSL bill, they could receive service at that price for twelve months (see subsequent discussion in our Comcast forum
In 2002, cable executives noted they'd be avoiding introductory discounts to reduce churn, but so far that hasn't proven true. This year Optimum On-line (one of the traditionally faster services according to our speed test archive
) launched a promotional campaign that offers six months of service for $29.95 a month
. The new offer replaces an existing deal where customers could get their first three months of service for $19.95 a month. Similar offers do exist with other cable providers, though they're less common with smaller providers.
Some providers are also offering some tasty discounts when users threaten to terminate their accounts. After complaining about price hikes
this year, some Optimum On-line customers were offered reduced rates in the hope they'd be willing to stick around. One user in our Optimum-Online forum claims he threatened to cancel and was offered a $20 coupon off of one month's bill, which he rejected. In response, Cablevision apparently offered him a $10 monthly credit until December of '03
(he wound up paying $34.95 for the rest of the year).
These kinds of offers were scattered, but common. When it came to direct price reduction from DSL competition however, cable executives stood strong and tried to pass off DSL price reductions in 2003 as a non-issue. Comcast CEO Brian Roberts claimed earlier this year that that price reductions from SBC and Verizon didn't matter, because DSL was a "less robust product".
Despite the talk, there are hints in some markets that Cable is at least slightly concerned, Comcast's 12 month deal being only one. Now a user in our Time Warner/Roadrunner forum claims that in Kansas City, Time Warner is matching SBC's $26.95 a month deal, offering cable broadband at that price for the next twelve months
. Time Warner is a little disjointed from market to market (as differences in their now defunct Xtreme tier illustrated this year), so it's unlikely that price is part of a larger initiative.
Keep your eyes trained to our front page listing of broadband deals
(currently in beta and only available for premium
users); hopefully 2004 will find more competitive pressure, and some fantastic bargains.
why don't they just come clean? why won't cable companies admit it, they'll have to lower prices!
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Re: why don't they just come clean?
said by lakino:Cable overwhelmingly controls the High speed market, and TV. They in No way have to lower prices!
why won't cable companies admit it, they'll have to lower prices!
When your in almost total control, you dictate the market.
Like what they have been doing & will do.
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Broadband Math If 1.5mbs is worth 26.95/mo. -- then isn't 3mbs worth 53.95/mo? Look at the cost per megabit and you'll find that Cable is often cheaper than DSL. Be careful before you scream for lower prices -- unless you really don't care for higher speeds. (oh, before it starts -- it does cost more to provide higher speeds)
| |OmegaDisplaced OhioanPremium
Re: Broadband Math
said by ronpin:What does speed matter if you are under a download cap, especially an invisible download cap like Comcast.
If 1.5mbs is worth 26.95/mo. -- then isn't 3mbs worth 53.95/mo? Look at the cost per megabit and you'll find that Cable is often cheaper than DSL. Be careful before you scream for lower prices -- unless you really don't care for higher speeds. (oh, before it starts -- it does cost more to provide higher speeds)
I will stick with my slower DSL, at least I do not have to worry about account termination.
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Re: Broadband Math As well, this is not an apples-apples comparison. I'll wager that it's rare to see 3Mbs on a well-populated cable node, especially at anything approaching peak hours. Ooo, my service is set at 3Mbps, but I never see it? C'mon.
Personally, I've found DSL to be drastially more reliable than the brethren cable modem services, and slightly cheaper. Give me a triple play, and we can talk.
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said by Bobb5:That's how Ma Bell used to think, even after the company was cut up. Then technological innovations and competition came along and changed all that. While the Baby Bells were arrogant in their ways and refused to adapt newer companies came in and slowly took away their business. First it was long distance, then DSL (the Bells still wanted to push $1000+ T1 lines), and now it's just regular phone service. If the cable companies aren't careful they can end up with the same story.
Cable overwhelmingly controls the High speed market, and TV. They in No way have to lower prices!
When your in almost total control, you dictate the market.
Like what they have been doing & will do.
Kileen, TX... Interesting, a few months back in Kileen, TX, I saw an ad for $26.95/mo (or was it $25???) for the first three months.
Re: Kileen, TX... In Gladwater Texas the fastest speed that Cox offers is 1024/128 for $39.94 per month + 15.xx for basic cable for a total of 56.xx per month.
Saint Paul, MN
This Sucks! I hate it that they are only offering these discounts when you can get DSL. I know it's good business, but when I am paying $45/month for cable internet, I wish I could get the $26.95/SBC DSL offer even though it is a lower speed
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Re: This Sucks! When I signed up for Comcast, I got the $19.95 for 6 months(soon to end). Comcast is also boosting everyone to 3mbps at no extra cost...I have no problem with service. Only once were my pings above 40ms, I blame it on the upgrade work being done...again, no problem.
Re: This Sucks! no thanks I will keep my dsl for 26 bucks over that over loaded overpriced cable crap
| |Mactronel Camino RealPremium
said by rtw03:It's called competition! (but you knew that ) They (cable) aren't going to lower costs unless they have to. I have DSL now and Comca$t is coming in this next summer, there's going to be a price war, I predict it. BUT, Comca$t TV service is so crappy here they would have to give me cable internet before I would switch. I went DTV years ago. Sorry I like low ping times, no caps, and reliability. I'll keep my DSL and have more than 30 channels of TV to boot. Oh yea, my speed has gone UP, and the price has gone DOWN this year. Yea I'll switch.;)
I hate it that they are only offering these discounts when you can get DSL
I get 3000/256 KBPS - cable for only 29.99 I am here in southern california and i have cox high speed- i get it for 29.99 a month + 10.00 for cable modem rental-- good prices compared to what the equivalant speeds with dsl are.
Re: Why not... Buy your own modem. $10 a month is ridiculously high for renting something that can be purchased for $50.
Litchfield Park, AZ
Re: I get 3000/256 KBPS - cable for only 29.99
said by sanzman:its $35 here with $15 mothly modem rental WTF I AM CALLING THOSE TARDS TOMARROW
I am here in southern california and i have cox high speed- i get it for 29.99 a month + 10.00 for cable modem rental-- good prices compared to what the equivalant speeds with dsl are.
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Re: Charter is the greediest of them all!! 2mbps down is bad? Jesus some of you need to get a grip on things. Sure it's not OOL speed or anything comparable to Japan, Sweden, or the netherlands, but trust me things could be worse. You could not have Cable or DSL service in your area at all or you could find yourself in a situation like mine living in Alaska where the cable ISP GCI is raping and pilaging while offering a laughable product w/ very restrictive bandwidth limits.. Then on the other hand you have the local DSL ISP who recently lowered their price for 320kbps/320kbps to $40/mo... They have a higher 960kbps/320kbps but good luck getting it because ACS considers 22,000ft loops acceptable by todays standards
All this happening in Anchorage, Alaska the largest population based city in the state; roughly 300,000+ ... You'd think given technology developments that better standards would be set industry wide...
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Patrick Afb, FL
Re: Charter is the greediest of them all!!
said by SaBo7Ge:I feel ya. My parents live in Wasilla and i was using their internet while i was there and that service sucks bad. Always disconnecting and the speeds are horrible. My current service was just sold off by charter. Ive had better service from Comcast and ATT so i do dislike Charter. I would dislike GCI even more.
2mbps down is bad? Jesus some of you need to get a grip on things. Sure it's not OOL speed or anything comparable to Japan, Sweden, or the netherlands, but trust me things could be worse. You could not have Cable or DSL service in your area at all or you could find yourself in a situation like mine living in Alaska where the cable ISP GCI is raping and pilaging while offering a laughable product w/ very restrictive bandwidth limits..
Hell i still cant get over the price of beer in Alaska. 12 pack of bud light is 17.99. I can get a 24 pack for 10.99 here.
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Temple City, CA
| And notice how you're comparing your location to my location in the suburbs of Los Angeles. Bottomline is it's all RELATIVE. But I feel in my case bears more relevancy than yours, Sabo7ge, based on geographical location of coarse.|
But havn't we all read some head of some big company give the announcement that they will be raising price, cutting service, etc... Citing that it's all based on "Industry Standards"? Charter Communications is not excluded from this, but what I'm pointing towards is that when it comes to meeting "Industry Standards" that benefit the customers (such as raising the speed or lowering the price), Charter seems to ALWAYS be the lagger compared to other cable companies. I'm not even comparing cable industry standards on a broad scale such as broadband as a whole which includes DSL, that would be not a apple-to-apple comparison. My comparison is fair... Charter compared to other cable companies.
Is 2mbps/128k speed bad?? Compared to DSL and ISDN or Dial-up, 2mbps is GREAT!! But if compare it apple-to-apple of what other cable companies are offering and in some cases at a lower price... You cannot deny Charter is the greediest of them all.
With all due respect, Sabo7ge: I think you should double check your logic of comparison before trying to make me or other posters like me sound like spoiled whiners. Whiners we maybe, but we whine for a reason.
Re: Charter is the greediest of them all!! My logic is fine... 2mbps down unrestricted usage for $40 a month... It might be another 10 years before we see something like that up here at an affordable price due to the CLEC monopoly by GCI and lack of competition being provided by the local ILEC DSL provider ACS communications... Again as stated before you have a product with better speed and value on thoroughput that I only wish was offered in my area... Yes I can argue that Charter is not the greediest cable ISP in America; yes you are spoiled; yes you are a whiner; yes you have no idea what crappy service is like or having no reasonable alternative. End of conversation...
Compare the cost of what your cable ISP provides to this by the statewide cable ISP GCI communications and tell me again how you have it bad?
512/64K with 5 GB of data transfer per month.
$39.99 a month with GCI Long Distance
Silver Plus 1.0M/128K with 10 gigabytes transfer/month and 4 email addresses and 20MB of Web Space: $49.99/month
Gold 1.5M/128K with 20 gigabytes transfer/month and 4 email addresses and 20MB of Web Space: $84.99/month
Platinum 1.5M/256K with 25 gigabytes transfer/month and 4 email addresses and 20MB of Web Space: $99.99/month
Diamond 2.4M/256K with 30 gigabytes transfer/month and 4 email addresses and 20MB of Web Space: $149.99/month
Subscription to Cable TV or $6.99 monthly access fee required. (Access fee choice requires $24.99 one-time install fee)
Additional data transfer beyond package amount is $20/GB/month.
If you do not have GCI Long Distance the following Cable Modem rates apply: (If you Choose GCI Long Distance, you'll save $15/month!)
Silver 512/64K with 5 gigabytes of throughput per month and and 2 email addresses and 10MB of Web Space
Silver Plus 1.0M/128K with 10 gigabytes of throughput per month and 4 email addresses and 20MB of Web Space
Gold 1.5M/128K with 20 gigabytes of throughput per month and 4 email addresses and 20MB of Web Space
Platinum 1.5M/256K with 25 gigabytes of throughput per month and 4 email addresses and 20MB of Web Space
Diamond 2.4M/256K with 30 gigabytes of throughput per month and 4 email addresses and 20MB of Web Space
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Huntington Beach, CA
Re: Charter is the greediest of them all!! But that $30 is only an intro price. By that standard, Comcast is a steal at $19 and Verizon free.
Re: Charter is the greediest of them all!! The prices you are getting from DSL companies is an intro price as well. All the offers I have seen for them are for six months. Same for some lower price packages I have seen from Roadrunner. Every broadband service seems to do that to lure the customers in.
| |GNXPowerGot Boost?Premium
Huntington Beach, CA
Re: Charter is the greediest of them all!! The $30 price for Charter is an intro price too...which was my point. You compared $30 to competitor offerings at their regular nationwide pricing and claimed it a good deal. Charter at regular prices is most certainly not. Even as far as intro prices go, $30 is high.
Re: Charter is the greediest of them all!! The intro price is a little high compared to what I've seen, but then again Charter is known for being pricey. All I'm saying is what they are offering isn't something so terrible compared to what else is out there. Where I'm at Time Warner is offering a six month deal at $35/month. DSL is being offered at $26.99 on a six month trial. When I lived in Austin I had fast cable Internet for about $40 a month, which was actual cost and not a special offer. The big thing I don't like about them is how many times they raised their rates on existing customers. Their "special" offering isn't bad.
Temple City, CA
| OMG!!! CableLynx is smoking CRACK!!! I just saw their prices... they might as well demand all of their customers (victims / hostages) write over blank checks and hand over all of their credit cards. I definitely don't feel so bad now about Charter. I don't understand how some companies even have the nerve to boldly show such a level of greed. I used to think that Charter's prices would make a good example to Congress to support cable territory deregulation, but now I think CableLynx is would make a slam-dunk example for de-regulation to protect the consumer.|
Prices are too low!! Folks,
The truth is, all of this is going to turn out badly. These prices are way, way too low and are going to result in more large bankruptcies and other problems in our industry. People can't even make money (I mean ACTUALLY make money, not EBDTA, "pro forma" or other BS, I mean ACTUALLY take in more than they spend, including EVERYTHING they spend on infrastructure and equipment) on $50/mo on 1.5Mbit service, now you guys want 3Mbit for $20?
Just look at how many broadband companies have filed for bankruptcy. That means fewer choices for you, lost jobs, less development of technology, etc., etc.,
People, this is an expensive industry. It takes a lot of money to run a broadband internet service, a LOT of money. They money should come from customers, not investors, stock inflation, accounting tricks that call expenses investments, or other artificial, crooked BS ala the dot com and telecom frauds.
When are we going to learn? What you guys want is the "wal-mart-ization" of this industry, where there is only one or two big players and they offer nothing but homogenized crap - but it's cheap! Always lower prices - always !!
That just doesn't sound like the kind of promise those of us who started this industry saw in the internet.
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[Some Thoughts] It's just another BS, Industrypro...
We started with internet first and we are still on the old infrastructure. All those companies STILL see profiting from copper wires etc. so they want to keep it as long as possible. Other countries started later and their infrastructure is better off.
Our government guidelines for those companies are killin' the bells. Plus FTTH etc, gives many posibilites You can use it for.
And guess what? My cousin's fiance installs POPs for the livin' making mad money and the other day she said she got a $4,000 router (CISCO one I believe) and doesn't know what to do with it.
Everything is there just TAKES time to install.
I wouldn't mind payin' $100-$150 for a 10MBiT FTTH. If people don't want to pay that much, You just do monthly transfer caps or vary the speed according to customer needs.
It is just the matter of TIME and it will take FOREVER to get this ready.
It's good that some cities take it into their own hands. For some it will work out for others it won't. But see, Verizon knows that the first one to do it will have an advantage over others. There are still smart people there.
Re: [Some Thoughts] $100 for 10Mbit? Are you kidding?
In Switzerland they pay like $20 for 100Mbit.
But yes, I know things are MUCH different in Switzerland.
The fact is, FTTH does not cost big bucks after you overcome the installation ($1500). One day we will probably see 100Mbit fiber for $30 a month. We just need to deploy it.
Optimum Online All The Way
TW in Western Ohio Time Warner is running full-page newspaper ads for their cable service to compete against satellite and half-page ads for their RoadRunner service. I don't pay them that much attention, but I think the price is $29.95/month for 3 or 6 months. Free installation, equipment, etc, etc... I believe SBC/Yahoo's DSL rate is $26.95/month around here. What speed, 768/128 or 1500/256, it is, I don't know.
TW's website is saying $29.95 for 2 months or install it yourself and get a 3rd month for that same price. They still list their "normal" price as $44.95 for cable customers and $49.95 for non-cable customers...
Re: TW in Western Ohio SBC/Yahoo DSL is 384-1536 for download depending on distance and 128-256 for upload for $26.95. The 256 upload is for all CO's. The RT's are still at a sync of 160 until upgrades happen to all the RT's.
Edit for clarity:)
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DSL may be less robust, but it works and there are no server restrictons.
I just made the switch from ELNK DSL to OOL, and I could not be happier, but the glooming fact is, I'm scared of getting capped , because I run my own internet station and when I was on DSL for the past 3 years, I never worried about ANYTHING like that.
The fact is, for me, I have a need for MORE speed, and that's why i have Cable, and it's the FASTEST CABLE service I know of. I'll never get rid of it, and I would not mind paying $100 for FTTH if it means getting a MUCH HIGHER speed rate than i'm getting with cable now.
If you deliver the speed, I'll pay for it. Isn't that what broadband is supposed to be for anyway? SPEED?
How did we go from SPEED to demanding the lowest prices for the highest Internet service? I belive $50 a month is good for a minimal CABLE connection of 3000Mb/600, but people wanna pay $9.95 a month for it. We're spoiled, and that's just they way it's gonna stay .
The most I see are people with wads of cash complaining about a drop in the bucket $50 for a 3000/500 connection.....WTF? there are people that can't even get it.
I do think that the price that DSL goes for, is way out of the league, and should be lowered, if DSL is to dominate the LOWER end of the broadband market, thereby pushing AOL and their DIALup nightmares out the door. DSL CANNOT compete with Cable, NO WAY NO HOW!
Companies like EarthLink that doesn't have a leg to stand on, I feel sorry for. they have no in house service to offer, except for DIAL UP. Reselling is not the answer in the 21st century. What happens when the company u resell for, starts offering the service for what u offer or LESS? IT WILL happen.
For my service $50 a month gets you a 10000/1000 Internet connection, and that's well below and MUCH less than the service costs. I have no problem paying for it. What I do ahve a problem with, is paying $50 for a 1500/384 connection, but at the same tmie, DSL is stable and it works without the restrictions.
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La Place, LA
Did I miss something?
quote:Ok...I must have missed that because my DSL price tag NEVER dropped.
When DSL providers dropped their prices this year
Ok, ok...I take that back. It ONLY dropped when I bundled long distance and some other "features". It never dropped on its own.
If I got smart with you, how would you know?
| |Mactronel Camino RealPremium
Re: Did I miss something? Mine did, from $50.00 to $35.00 a month. Oh yea, the speed doubled at no extra charge.:D Gotta love it. Low ping, no caps, reliability, and some of the best newsgroups in the industry, I love my DSL.;)
| |USAOwnzRIP dadkinsPremium
Re: Did I miss something?
said by eynlai8:Yeah, I haev a 1 year contract and got a free modem, I get 1.3/324 not bad. However, I think if a lot more people got hooked up and the economy got better I think we would be seeing a lot better prices for cheaper prices.
You need to call SBC and ask for the new lower price. They'll more than likely make you sign a new 1 year contract though.
¡Viva la Revolución!
Competition -- Isn't it grand? Cable companies finally realize that people want cheaper prices. Why are people complaining about competition? It's great! I can pay less for better speed, and I'll take it. I'd say let these ISPs kill each other over customers. They're just profitting less than what they're already doing, and it's fine with me.
Who dat? Who dere?
spendy i wanna pay 26.95$ for roadrunner...not this BS 45!
Caveat Emptor! Read the fine print and all the "*" clauses!
I just got SBC for $26.95* ** *** /month.
Uh huh. That's provided I signed a 1-year agreement with a $200 early-out penalty.
That's $18/month discount from $49.95 (oh, did you miss that amount? Though it was $39.95 or $29.95?) provided I'm an SBC POTS customer.
49.95 - 18 = 31.95 Huh? It said $26.95. Oh, yeah (more "*") provided I'm and SBC all-distance customer, which gets me another $5/month.
And after the first year? Poof! All discounts vaporize and it's $49.95/month.
Kiss my NIC!
Heh Well.. im sure the lot of you wouldn't like 56k! My provider (Bellsouth) hasn't lowered prices or upgraded their speeds.. EVER!
Just my two cents.
I have a great deal I spotted the report about the Comcast deal here and took them up on it (I'm in California) I have 3250 kbps down 250 kbps up, all for 19.95 a month for 12 months, no contract, and a free modem
Re:Broadband Math /*rant on*
Just to toss out a few figures...assuming that (as seen in other forums) Comcast with their customer base of 3 mil HSI subscribers.....paid as little as $20/month for the "right" to connect.....folks we have a winner.....we're talking a whole lot of Lexus' drivin corporate types getting fat on 'poor' customer service - unquantifiable caps....
While I am not an advocate of DSL (using possibly the oldest infrastructure - short of BPL) you must give credit where credit is due....In 20 years I've personally seen speeds go from 2400 baud to "Blazing fast speeds of Road Runner Internet"......for all the bitchin that goes on....you'd think that most of us are still "dailin up" @ 9600......
For the sake of competition......prices WILL fall....speeds WILL increase.....all because the fat corporate cats need to work on the tan that is all but gone......the only upgrades "we the people" will see is when enough of us call the CSR asking why our BB is acting like 56k.....lets face the fact....they have 'oversold' the networks from the beginning.....the adds promising "higher" speeds than Joe-Blow ISP further loads the already cramped bandwidth we all hold dear.....
Qwest Still Has The Choke Hold With all of these prices dropping and talks of price wars, why doesn't Qwest join in? I am STILL playing $83.99 A MONTH for DSL 640/256k.
Yes, I could switch to Qwest's MSN plan and that would be $59.95 a month, but then I'd get MSN as my ISP.... NO static IP, no FTP service, NO webservices, HOTMAIL and spam up my crack. It would STILL be 640/256. No thanks.
Yes, I could switch to Comcast and that would be $48.00 a month. That'd be 1.5mbs/256k. No static IP and Comcast would be my ISP. Little better than MSN. Not having a static IP bites.
Wish the price wars would come to Utah.
Colorado Springs, CO
For once I'm not the first one to criticize Qwest.
Re: Qwest Still Has The Choke Hold
Just a reminder... you're forgetting the landline cost in your DSL fairytale land, while your telco is the one living happily ever after.
DSL = $49.99/month. Maybe less in your area, but no way around it if you're in a Qwest state, even if you go with a CLEC. That is, unless you WANT 640k Qwest 'advanced' DSL.
Landline = $29.99/month, my non-tax deductable charity to Qwest.
DirecTV/DISH = $39.99/month...they never get the hip, new channels.
For a grand total of...$119.97.
With cable you could ditch the landline and get basic cable plus 3000/256 internet for around $90 (Adelphia's rates) ...I'm moving. ASAP. Goodbye, Cable-less wasteland!
Verizon DSL all the way I live in Brooklyn, NYC and I have access to both DSL and cable but I pick DSL. Why? Prices are lower, 1.5mpbs is decent, no download caps, and the verizon newsgroups are so damn good.
What were you paying? Greetings,
It really comes down to... "what were you paying?" My Earthlink Dial-up was $21.99, so I see the SBC/Yahoo for $26.99 and think $5.00. Just $5.00 more for 384/256, hey that beats 56k any day.
Re: What were you paying? I had DSL, it sucked...Maybe that's because I had MSN DSL but I'll never go back to DSL. I have roadrunner now and love it and wouldn't choose anything else unless I was capable of having a T1 in my home or even higher than that.