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Fiber industry gets excited...again....
(old news - 04:18PM Monday Dec 22 2003)
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Verizon fuels another round of residential fiber optimism with announcements they've selected additional vendors for deployments. They're the only bell with significant deployment plans for 2004. While this press release is optimistic, history dictates that users should believe such plans when they see them with their own eyes. According to this Telephony On-line article, Verizon CTO Mark Wegleitner says Verizon will be investing $600-800 million on fiber to the premises in 2004 - roughly 10% of its $6 billion wireline capital expenditures budget. However users simply aren't ready for that much bandwidth (unless it's for TV), the bells continue to be stuck in regulatory battle with the FCC, and DSL is making them plenty of money for the time being.

Verizon, SBC and BellSouth unveiled their request for proposal announcement (RFP) this summer, indicating they were taking fiber more seriously and were looking to standardize deployments. Verizon CEO Ivan G. Seidenberg insisted that the company was serious about investing $20 to $40 billion in Verizon's fiber deployment agenda, which was to have 60% of U.S. households ready for fiber within five years. The result was a boost in stock value for all those involved, followed by a series of comments from bell execs that seemed suddenly less optimistic.

So while there is money budgeted and vendors selected, whether actual deployments see the light of day is anyone's guess. As Dave Burstein discusses in the latest issue of DSL Prime, the time is quickly coming for the bells to either put up, or shut up - lest this chicken and the egg regulatory argument bore us all to tears.

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AuraReturn
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join:2003-08-18
San Francisco, CA
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lol

wow 60% with fiber? I hope this is true so can we kick Japan's ass
yabos

join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON

Re: lol

I'm sure by then Japan will be at 10Gbit fiber to 99% of the homes.

Tomek
Premium
join:2002-01-30
Brooklyn, NY
·Packet8

Actually article is marked as FTTH, while it seems to be FTTP.
I think that the only difference is the Fiber to the premises is shared among a community, not individually
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Gbcue
E.I.T.
Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: lol

At least it's not FTTC. Then copper into the house.

53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone

join:2002-10-02
PwnZone
said by This Article:
However users simply aren't ready for that much bandwidth
omg! omg! I am hella ready for some major ftth baby.

Duo Maxwell
What? Stop Looking At Me Like That

join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI

Re: Say What?

Please! Bandwidth isn't the question, its if your gonna cap us and limit what we can do with it. I'd still take it tho. But thats a sorry ass excuse if I've ever heard one.

IGotThePower
Samsung Sucks
Premium
join:2003-06-07
Japan Inc.
Dream on...

gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
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join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
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·Embarq
·linode

Yeah...

Like it said, either put up or shut up. I wonder if we will EVER get fiber. Maybe if we pay for it ourselves outright instead of with rate hikes. If we ever do get fiber, everyone and their brother is going to want to bring us content over it. Who should pay for the fiber, and who should get to use it... So many questions, so little time.
alchav

join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC

Re: Yeah...

You hit the nail on the head, if you pay for your own fiber then you can call the shots. I really can't see why people don't see this. FTTH is the only way you'll get the bandwidth that is needed for future services. Telco's will not foot the bill for this, so everyone can use it. So communities and neighborhoods run their own fiber, and bring in the FTTP. I think this makes sense.

ALC
dsless

join:2001-05-16
Pittsburgh, PA

I am ready for copper -

Copper in my lines that don't give static for my voice communications. Fiber run in Poca WV, get real. Maybe in the year 9999999999.

t

@attbi.com

Re: I am ready for copper -

verizon has followed and hung fiber everywhere we have arial cable plant in my town. i havent seen them do under ground tho.

DaveNJ
No Fear

join:1999-09-01
New Jersey

Never happen

This is the 4th time Verizon has promised to upgrade and we pay for it, and it doesnt happen.
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Dreadwing6
Unleash The Giver2
Premium
join:2002-03-10
Da Bronx?

Re: Never happen

I'm betting they'll probably put bw limits as some other fibre providers have already started
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djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
·PHONE POWER
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable

Re: Never happen

quote:
I'm betting they'll probably put bw limits as some other fibre providers have already started
Remember, there is nothing to stop them from offering fiber internet service and limiting it to 1500/128. The existing caps (especially the upstream) are a marketing limitation, not a technical one. That's why I laugh at all of the hoopla over fiber. SBC can run an 8000/1000 connection on copper to me if they wanted to. They come somewhat close at 6000/608 but it's not cheap.

Where fiber does get interesting is for other data services like digital television. But the TV market is already pretty saturated.

-- Rob

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ghenjei

join:2000-12-19
Grand Prairie, TX

Re: Never happen

the reason is not just the physical capability - yes, DSL can reach about 7.1 / 768 (that is the limit for ADSL 32QAM), but only a short distance. Using fiber will allow the telco to reach a much larger footprint, and have comparable speeds. It is well known that most people over 1600kft have problems with speeds about the 1.5 / 128.
pvc00

join:2001-03-10
Hampton, VA
The new technology is capable of transferring data at speeds up to 622 megabits per second to the user and 155 megabits per second to the network - far faster than cable modems or today's DSL.
Just sit back shut up and wait.

Kylemaul
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join:2001-03-30
North Port, FL
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1 edit

Re: Never happen

Too bad they won't pony up for the routers to handle that kind of b/w. Are there any, BTW?

Edit: Doh! Forgot to include this bit for clarity: ...that kind of bandwidth at a per subscriber level.
BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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·Comcast

Re: Never happen

said by Kylemaul See Profile:
Too bad they won't pony up for the routers to handle that kind of b/w. Are there any, BTW?

cisco makes quite a few although very high priced . if we see this sort of action in the fiber ring prices for fiber equipment will drop real fast and costs of 90% of other networking equipment will fall aswell.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ

said by Dreadwing6 See Profile:
I'm betting they'll probably put bw limits as some other fibre providers have already started

Thats ludicrous(sp). the whole point behind fibre is theres so much bandwidth available on fibre its a non issue. just another big cash grab but its sooooooooooo expensive that i guess caps are a way to recoup some of the money.
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starstuff
Fly By Wire
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join:2001-12-05
Mcallen, TX

said by DaveNJ See Profile:
This is the 4th time Verizon has promised to upgrade and we pay for it, and it doesnt happen.

Maybe this is the right time? I see regulation one if not the biggest obstacle to fiber deployment.

The first to deploy fiber will have to share it with the competition or be labeled or ruled as a monopoly. Once a strand of fiber is deployed I don't see the need for another one side by side. This is why a level play field must be negotiated and make the rules crystal clear.:)
BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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·Comcast

Re: Never happen

i think the latest fcc ruling was that if they deployed "new" fiber they don't have to share. Making the income an incredible cash cow if they can lay it. This would pay itself off in less then 15 years if prices and such remained the same. Income from it im guessing would get stronger each year. And I'm guessing the telcos see this as maybe a way to bite the cable co's ass. I mean really how could ya compete with fiber if you are on copper. you just can't.
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DaveNJ
No Fear

join:1999-09-01
New Jersey

Re: Never happen

Well since we have paid for it, again, and again. Its probably time for them to actually do something. Cable will destroy telco, with some minor modifications, and consolidation.
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY
DON'T pay unless they actually deploy their so called "FTTH".

Mellow
Premium
join:2001-11-16
Salisbury, MD

ill believe it when i see it

This stuff just cracks me up. Buy stock early, get stock price up, sell stock and make money, then say maybe next year. Laugh at all the peon's who think it was for real this time.

Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net

A Rose By any other Name

Ah yes the gardenia like smell of fiber. You close your eyes and take in the the fragrance of a jillion bit per second connection. You open your eyes and before you is a
flat foot floosy smiling back at you. It's about this time you realize you have been had again.
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armyrebel4
Dream Chaser
Premium
join:2002-01-08
Springfield, IL
·AT&T Midwest

This does not make any sense...

Verizon cannot even keep their own promises to the State of PA. Why the hell should we trust them now? SBC's CEO even said they were not optomistic about deploying fiber. Money talks BS walks...........
Erik
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jarablue
Always be true to yourself

join:2001-06-11
Worcester, MA

Tell it to someone who cares

Yeah 5 years ago I was told 6 months dsl would be available to me. Now I am being told the same thing for fiber? Ok. Let me know when they get to my area in Tatnuck MA will ya? Casue I've heard this song and dance already. This 5 years is an awfully long 6 months.

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ

Re: Tell it to someone who cares

said by jarablue See Profile:
Yeah 5 years ago I was told 6 months dsl would be available to me. Now I am being told the same thing for fiber? Ok. Let me know when they get to my area in Tatnuck MA will ya? Casue I've heard this song and dance already. This 5 years is an awfully long 6 months.

At least you're in a verizon area and got some hope. I'm in a Qwest area and apparently their thinking is 640/272, 256/256 is fast enough for anyone. my only hope is to move to where fibre is available but i like the climate here and dont freeze my butt off in winter.
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nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast

Well........

maybe I will be lucky - since Verizon refuses to upgrade the system I am on to enable me to get DSL, maybe they are planning for my area to be one of their early fiber overbuild rollouts.

wait a minute, I'm not high, honest, maybe that's what they're doing...hey get away from me with that net...

BigDaddy05

@170.148.x.x

What's with the speed differential?

"Lacouture said the new technology is capable of transferring data at speeds up to 622 megabits per second to the user and 155 megabits per second to the network -- far faster than cable modems or today's DSL."

So why is the speed from the CO to the premises OC-12, but from the CO to the 'net only OC-3?

What good is the extra speed to the curb if it won't be used except for one or two 64k phone channels? Must be so they can charge extra $$$ for 622 megabit connection over the 155 megabit one.

Elite

join:2002-10-03
Orange, CT

Re: What's with the speed differential?

Maybe he typed that the wrong way. OC-12 for the net, OC-3 for the home?
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Rothan Tik
Premium
join:2000-11-07
Danvers, MA
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL

blah..

Fiber will not be a viable solution for many many years. Its extremely expensive and requires careful setup. Many large corps are reluctant to even use it in their networks yet, never mind as a major solution for the masses.
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Dirk Daring

join:2000-08-03
Ashburn, VA

Re: blah..

Then why are communities popping up all over with it? I'm on one, another is being build 10 miles down the road - and guess who is doing it?

»www.brambleton.com/web/main.html

Verizon.

VZNYTech

@verizon.n

Westchester, NY

Word in NY is VZ will begin FTTH construction in 10 CO's within Westchester County during the first quarter of '04. Heard this from more than one source within the company. I hope they will follow through.

Jarhead-USMC

@optonline.net

Re: Westchester, NY

My brother is a long time employee of verizon and got the scoop that this fiber does exist and is already starting to roll out. Our area also lucked out that we will get it as one of the first ones to have it available.

they may actually have finally done something right. Can't wait to see if this fiber is all its hyped up to be.

btw, we in Yonkers, NY

so you're right about the westchester county area
JohnE

join:2002-04-28

Re: Westchester, NY

Im in Northern Bergen County NJ....and the install has begun. Verizon ran the overhead conduits by my house the other day. So of course I drilled the linemen for info. I asked a lot of specific questions. This guy liked to talk too .Actually was enthused about his work.
3 Towns around me also have their fiber in place. No splices made yet. All are left in coiled loops at the junction points. Reminds me of when ool did their install. Judging by how many main roads, business districts, schools, hospitals and sporadic residential areas that have their lines in place.....they have been at it since the beginning of the year.
bloodshuteyz

join:2002-10-24
Garfield, NJ

Re: Westchester, NY

Awsome!!! What three towns in bergen county are they working in?? I live in Garfield nj. Hope they start putting this stuff up and release it. From what i heard they will only be charging 30 bucks a month!!! they want to take all the optimum online customers and throw them out of business. Thank god.
sjcorne

join:2001-11-10
Hartsdale, NY

I live in Westchester (Dobbs Ferry central office).
Fiber lines have been strung throught my neighborhood. The workman who I spoke to say that all of Westchester, Rockland , Nassau and Suffolk counties will be done this year. My CO may be the 1st to have the service.

DJMADfx

join:2002-02-27
Bellmore, NY

Re: Westchester, NY

said by sjcorne See Profile:
I live in Westchester (Dobbs Ferry central office).
Fiber lines have been strung throught my neighborhood. The workman who I spoke to say that all of Westchester, Rockland , Nassau and Suffolk counties will be done this year. My CO may be the 1st to have the service.

Yay!! I've been looking for some stuff about Long Island. I hope what you say is true.
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