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Vonage On the Go?
VoIP gets some wheels, goes mobile

As if VoIP wasn't applying enough pressure to land-line vendors, the technology is now going mobile - potentially affixing a thorn squarely in the side of wireless providers. Reports surfaced this week that Vonage is developing software allowing you to take calls to your Vonage number via your PDA or laptop. -

Broadband journalist Om Malik is first on the scene via his blog, noting that Vonage is working on a "softphone" solution for PDA's and laptops. In essence the software allows you to map your mobile device to your Vonage phone number and make VoIP calls on the go (for a fee). Om spoke to Vonage founder Jefferey Citron, who says the software (also available on Mac) is currently in beta. Vonage isn't alone, but the move is significant since they're one of the larger providers.

The rush is now on for chipmakers and mobile phone vendors to develop phones capable of roaming between traditional GSM or CDMA networks and Wi-Fi networks. With third generation wireless connectivity stalled and VoIP threatening to go mobile, vendors now have more than enough motivation to design such cross-network capable mobile devices.

Earlier this year at the CTIA show in Las Vegas, a company dubbed TTPCom unveiled their CDMA/802.11 chipset, which delivers a dual baseband solution on a single piece of silicon. Their "GSM.11" silicon architecture should see the market sometime in 2005, in phones that should cost less than $100.

Of course TTPCom isn't alone in positioning themselves for a new generation of hybrid phones; a handful of other more mainstream chipset manufacturers (like Nokia) are also busy tinkering in the lab. Qualcomm has been promising hybrid Wi-Fi capable phones since 2002. Mitel Networks has been pushing hard to incorporate VoIP over Wi-Fi via cell, though mobile networks need some serious upgrades if users want to keep one phone number across services.

If you're impatient for Wi-Fi VoIP over your cell, you could purchase the latest must-have geek status symbol - the Treo 600 from Palm One (something Om also comments on), plug a Wi-Fi access card into the SDIO slot, and have the best of both worlds at your finger-tips.

The only catch is you'll need to wait for the Palm OS 5.x drivers, which should be available before the end of the year. Then it's simply a matter of waiting for someone (Vonage or whomever else) to develop a decent Palm VoIP application, and for smart network upgrades allowing you to maintain one number across services.
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CPM
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Great Idea But..

Great idea, but how about all those dead zones?
Freezone
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Re: Great Idea But..

SA voip enabled cell phone would be the trick. It would use voip first and cell towers in dead areas.

LBDSL
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I think in the not so far future you will have WiFi in the air just as much as Cellular signal are, so you will be able to connect via almost any device almost anywhere.

fifty nine
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Re: Great Idea But..

said by LBDSL:
I think in the not so far future you will have WiFi in the air just as much as Cellular signal are, so you will be able to connect via almost any device almost anywhere.

Not going to happen. Cell towers are 100 watts output, on high places with high gain antennas. Wi-fi hotspots are less than 1 watt, in low places with poor antennas.
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Re: Great Idea But..

actually most cell towers only put out 8-15 watts raw power, it's the antenna's gain that gives the signal the extra punch. Most cell site antennas are around 15db gain. I've taken a 22mw ap and hooked it to a 18 db gain cell site antenna and I can get extremely far. Oh I also have vonage softphone service on my pocket pc and it works great.

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Re: Great Idea But..

I did say that most wi-fi "hotspots" have poor antennas, and there is no way in the near future that it's going to change, unless there's a major rollout.

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Re: Great Idea But..

a WiFi hot spot and a Wide area WiFi network are 2 very different types of network. Just look at AT&T's new, Edge service, or many WISP networks.
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Not true ...This is old news this technology has been around for a while now this is their third generation phone...now video @ 11Mb »www.calypsowireless.com/ ··· ones.htm

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said by dinkerdnk:
Not true ...This is old news this technology has been around for a while now this is their third generation phone...now video @ 11Mb »www.calypsowireless.com/ ··· ones.htm

I wasn't talking about the IP phones, I was talking about wi-fi having the coverage of the current cellular network.
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Not going to happen. Cell towers are 100 watts output, on high places with high gain antennas. Wi-fi hotspots are less than 1 watt, in low places with poor antennas.
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Not true at all. WiFi is rated at 100W. Right now I am typing this on a Cisco 802.11b wireless network that is transmitting at 100W. Additionally, Cisco and other vendor have a variety of directional and omni antennas with different degrees of gain. We aren't talking about consumer access points for this application.

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Re: Great Idea But..

said by lestat99:
Not going to happen. Cell towers are 100 watts output, on high places with high gain antennas. Wi-fi hotspots are less than 1 watt, in low places with poor antennas.
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Not true at all. WiFi is rated at 100W. Right now I am typing this on a Cisco 802.11b wireless network that is transmitting at 100W. Additionally, Cisco and other vendor have a variety of directional and omni antennas with different degrees of gain. We aren't talking about consumer access points for this application.

What is the model number, etc... I'd like to look at the specs.

Hams are limited to 100W on SS with auto power limiting, are you using a model that has something of that nature?
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Re: Great Idea But..

If he had a 100w wi-fi router he'd have cooked his face by now. Not to mention his whole family. Microwave Ovens utilize the same frequency range as wi-fi. It is most likely the case that the cisco access point is rated at 100 milliwatts.(quite a bit less)

For the people that think the cell towers are only 15 watts with an 18db antenna, could be because at that rate with no line loss it would be 720 Watts ERP compared to WI-FI which is limited to 1watt ERP for a non directional antenna and 2 watts ERP for a directional antenna.

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Although my current PDA can do WiFi, I would actually love it if someone made a cell phone chipped that actually worked in my HP 5500 series PDA.
All the same, It is nice to know I can take calls when my PDA is hooked up to the NET at work for instance..

I'd pay for this service.
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Cool stuff

Man this is getting out of control to try and keep up...

The treo is a neat thing, and if you can get 100k wireless internet, you really do have th internet in the palm of your hand!

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Might have been a good App for Ricochet

Too bad all the Ricochet transceivers have either been taken down or have rotted away on their telephone poles. There were 14 major markets up and running with wireless internet service. As I understand it, this type of VoIP Application would have been pretty easy over that network.

Oh well...

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Re: Might have been a good App for Ricochet

I just read that the Ricochet's assets were recently resold. I don't know what this means.

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Plenty of PPC Sip SoftPhones Out There

There's already a multitude of PocketPC SIP SoftPhones out there, that'll work with most VoIP providers.

The problem with Vonage is that they only let you use their stuff.

Other ITSPs that don't care will allow you to use anything that's compatible.

We (Vox3) have customers right now using the PocketPC version of xTen.

-- Elias

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Re: Plenty of PPC Sip SoftPhones Out There

What's different about now being able to use a laptop? Hasn't this software always been available from Vonage for use with their service?

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Another distinction

Before everyone is convinced that this will tube cellular providers, we need to remember that there is a difference between Cellular service, where handoffs between cell sites are choreographed by centralized switches and Wi-Fi enabled VoIP, where there is no smooth handoff.

The latter may support service in many places, but it won't support the continuous conversation while travelling that Cellular will.

For some people, this may be a trivial difference, for others a major one. It does raise a question, though, as to what we call it--it's not "mobile" service, so maybe it's "variable stationary" service? (There has to be a better generic descriptor--let's hear your suggestions.)

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