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clubs: | That's gonna be a mess The UN shouldn't be handing anything that technical, just like congress shouldn't be passing spam laws...
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PloKoon
Bumper Sticker Doctrine
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Cherry Hill, NJ |  Re: That's gonna be a mess
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Armada1
Heat Miser
join:2001-05-16
Chicago, IL
| Re: That's gonna be a mess said by PloKoon  :
"I am not amused."
Nor is the Original Heat Miser!!!! 
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FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
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Miami, FL
| Re: That's gonna be a mess said by Omega :
said by borborpa :
The UN shouldn't be handing anything that technical, just like congress shouldn't be passing spam laws...
I agree, this will not be good.
I think here in the US, we won't be too affected, its not like we listen to the UN anyway.
but what people are missing here is that the internet is a collection of privately owned networks all interconnected... wtf is the UN going to do? go to all the ISPs and be like "you are under our control now! hand over all your assets"
i cant wait till all the bells/quest/level3/cognet/everyone etc just roll on the floor laughing...
the UN is truly just plain retarded if they believe they can do this
i dont think ICANN should worry...
im sure that the people @ the UN thinks that the internet is "owned" by the US... its one giant closet under the whitehouse with like a 40000Tb san and thats were ICANN and everone hides O_o
and on that note, since we invented the internet (no al-gore jokes  ) we dont have to listen to what is in their best interests, we can do whatever we damn well please w/it, if they want a network for their interests, build it your self, we made the internet here, for here... the fact that we let them participate should be a privilage for them...
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sbhusted
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Bethlehem, PA | The United Nations should be handling nothing, and it usually does.
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IGotThePower
Samsung Sucks
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Japan Inc. | What interests? What interests? How is ICANN affecting them? | |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
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1 edit | Re: What interests? So, if the Internet becomes politicized -- will a country like Libya or N. Korea be subject to "Internet sanctions"??? to go along with economic sanctions?
On the other hand, is there any other way to handle the international problems associated with spam and internet scams? | |
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Taget
@mindspring.com | Re: What interests? The opposite. Countries like North Korea and Libya will be deciding internet policy and who to place sanctions against. | |
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cyberthugin
join:2002-03-12
Kew Gardens, NY | un | |
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aSic
application specific
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Wakulla, FL
clubs: | Already been decided. Based on his exclusion from the meetings, its obvious that this has already been decided...long before a "vote" to show the media. | |
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Matt
Quitting Caffeine - Argh
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Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| Re: Already been decided. said by aSic :
Based on his exclusion from the meetings, its obvious that this has already been decided...long before a "vote" to show the media.
I agree. The rest of the world is pissed off at us, so they will use the current administrations unilateralism against them.
Only they will have a mock vote to back it up.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Yippie Now instead of greedy capitalists who have an interest in keeping the internet working because it's their livelihood; we'll have greedy "socialists" (notice the quotes, I really mean dictators posing as socialists) who have an interest in keeping the internet shut down so they can extort money from other nations with promises of getting their access back up. WHAT A GREAT IDEA F***TARDS.
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footballdude
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO | Who's or What Authority? Where does the UN get the authority to take over anything? Are they not just a diplomatic society? Is this just an example of taking power because no one will stop them? If so, it's a very bad precendent. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA
| Re: Who's or What Authority? You got it footballdude. They wrest power from us (meaning the worlds people) because no one would interfere with an organization whose spoken goal is "peace, understanding, and fairness"; too bad nobody notices their unspoken goals, which is funny because they don't do a very good job of hiding them.
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Raydr
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join:2000-11-19
Carrollton, TX | closed forum? "deciding in a closed forum how 750 million people should reach the Internet. "
Sounds like what Verisign did. | |
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Matt
Quitting Caffeine - Argh
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Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| Re: closed forum? said by Raydr :
"deciding in a closed forum how 750 million people should reach the Internet. "
Sounds like what Verisign did.
Correct, but Verisign is not ICANN.
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rchandra
Stargate S G-1 And Atlantis Fan
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| Re: closed forum? hmmm....hadn't seen that update. I only knew of the first exchange, where ICANN said "don't," and VeriSign said "I don't think so." But it looks from the material at that link you provided that VeriSign had to cease and desist or face legal action from ICANN.
This is definitely good news. As is said in the letter from ICANN to VeriSign, it's not up to a registry operator to make such a fundamental change to the function of such a major system such as VeriSign and DNS respectively. Such a change needs to be announced well in advance, and be reviewed by entities other than their own internal tech. staff.
I think they should be replaced; with whom, I don't know. It's been proven there are other organizations (Neustar for example) that handle other portions of the DNS namespace and can get the job done...no pressing need for VeriSign/Network Solutions.
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trisomy
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Houston, TX
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| The Next Ludlum Novel Twomey, shaking off the delirium from his pitched battle with Sclavos, suddenly finds himself on the outside of decisions about Internet Functionality. hmmmmmmmm????
Had the mods placed the Verisign logo over that of the UN this report would have been much more accurate. A little Conspiracy Theory in the morning is good for the circulation!
Ah! I can see the Sequel already. France and Germany decide to re-engineer domain naming convention's...Russia protests by banging it's shoe on the podium and George Bush dispatches Bill Gates (our newly designated Ambassador To Cyberspace) with charts and photograph's of clandestine POP farms outside of Bonn and Paris running Oracle!!!! | |
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woody7
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Torrance, CA
·EarthLink
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| Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm................... In my opinion the UN push is political........I believe there is a push from some countries to control the content......not just the Porn,but anything that has to do with free speech because it threatens their way of life
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join:2002-03-25
Granbury, TX
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| Re: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm................... Bingo.
Much of the "non-free" world gets it's accurate news from the internet. Prior to this, the governments could essentially filter the news content and keep the populace ignorant and happy. Some countries block internet access to other countries due to the content - restricting free speech and press.
If the UN gets control of the internet, I'm sure they would open the floodgates and allow anyone to have access - (nudge-nudge-wink-wink) I just don't think they would sanction the countries that keep filters in place. I am also sure that any anti-UN web sites would be shut down or just not in the nameservers.
Like it or not, the best way to keep the internet free is to keep it in the hands of ICANN.
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NoFatChicks
No, I'M The Exon And You're The Intron
join:2002-06-15
Blountsville, AL
| Think of this when voting in 2004! The ONLY way ICANN will loose control is if an American president pulls a Jimmy Carter (i.e. the Panama Canal) and gives it away. Not to interject my political opinion here, but who do YOU think is more likely to do so, a Republican president or a Democratic one? Hmmmm… think about that the next time you vote. | |
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY
| How would the UN seize control? Suppose the worst happens and the UN declares that the Internet will now be under the control of the UN. (Perhaps under a new "Cyperspace Committee" headed by China and Cuba? Content and opinion filtering for all! ). Exactly how would the UN enforce this?
ICANN isn't a nation and AFAIK isn't directly answerable to the UN. Would the UN send in people (troops?) to seize ICANN's equipment? Would they pass endless resolutions giving ICANN just one more month.... until they pass another resolution? Would they impose economic sanctions on the United States until Bush gave in and ordered ICANN to disband? Could Bush even do that if he wanted to? (Which I highly doubt.)
Just wondering how the UN is figuring that they can grab control of the Internet if ICANN refuses to give it up.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA
1 edit | Re: How would the UN seize control? The UN will just declare that it is in charge of the internet, and leave all the existing powers in place; At this point I doubt little will change immediately. They will just bank it and wait for a more convenient time (when it looks better for them) to wrest absolute control away. Kind of like they're doing with Yellowstone National Park and the US constitution; don't believe me, go do a search on world heritage and constitution.
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1 edit | Re: How would the UN seize control? why does ICANN do?
here it is from their site
»www.ICANN.org/general/
Specifically, ICANN coordinates the assignment of the following identifiers that must be globally unique for the Internet to function:
Internet domain names
IP address numbers
protocol parameter and port numbers
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why does the UN want to take control of that stuff? theres no power here!
look at this statement from icann
ICANN's role is very limited, and it is not responsible for many issues associated with the Internet, such as financial transactions, Internet content control, spam (unsolicited commercial email), Internet gambling, or data protection and privacy.
»www.icann.org/faq/#WhatisICANN
well... who will listen to the UN any ways. all ICANN does as i can see is set the standards and no one has to listen to them. they just do because it is accepted.
when the UN makes their internet software. you can't tell private companies what to do. and no one would respond to changes in the system if they don't want to. if the UN requires another system people would implement the other system and then run the ICANN system next to it and people will use ICANN specifications for the internet (may be renamed.) and the UN's internet can rot.
you can't control the way private companies connect to each other... that would be like saying that you have control over how all types of mail is delivered (regardless of whether it is the postal system or a private delivery company) all that stuff is controlled by the countries governmetn... not the international community.
now if we talk about international connections via undersea radio and satellite.
all i can say is... the UN better have it so that countries can connect to each other when they are done with whatever they want to do. or some countries will be pissed... | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA
| Re: How would the UN seize control? said by Samwoo :
you can't control the way private companies connect to each other... that would be like saying that you have control over how all types of mail is delivered (regardless of whether it is the postal system or a private delivery company) all that stuff is controlled by the countries governmetn... not the international community.
Wanna bet?
All it takes is a "well meaning" international treaty. (say one that purports to protect children from being exposed to inappropriate content; a UN committee decides what's inappropriate, be it pornography or everything from the USA)
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linicx
Caveat Emptor
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United State
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| When I dropped out of the political debate it was before ICANN was officially anything more than a low opinion of itself, it was -- and I stress WAS - a group of non-Americans who wanted to hijack the Internet. They started off with lies, and a series of top secret high level meetings held in a different country every other month. What they wanted was a united backing from their political allies - most of whom were unfriendly to the US. What they got for their efforts was was distrust and universal disgust. The stuff that is going on now is just a tired rerun of the same old sandbox politics. You have it, I want it; give it to me now.
The Internet started in the US in 1960 when the first text message was sent from California and received in New York. I believe the US has the most backbones and probably the largest number of root servers. I've had enough PORN from China, Romania, and Japan that I think the US should stop worrying about girlie pictures and consider taking its toys back, and using its own Internet exclusively. Let China and the rest of the underdeveloped nations take care of themselves.
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Richardson, TX | "I am not amused." ........lol. how classic is that. | |
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Thran
join:2002-01-05
Hibbing, MN
| Well I have a saying that I used to use for techsupport:
NON-technical people should never, ever, make technical decisions, only technical people should.
And here is a bunch of idiots, non technical world order genious that dont know much about computers or networks deciding how the systems should operate.
IS it just me or do I see impending doom. | |
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DrewCapu
Giant Diehard
join:2001-12-19
California
clubs: | Re: Well For some reason, NASA not following engineering advice comes to mind. We all know what happened next.
Well, if Al Gore invented the Internet, I'm sure he can help fix it after the UN blows it up. :P | |
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b_zen
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1 edit | oups I don't think the UN's looking to "take over" the Internet. I do think however, they want more input from the rest of the world, and not only the Silicone Valley Planet... Which is fine by me... Instead of one giant org. that doesn't do much (i.e. in the case of Verisign), it (administration) might be broken down in smaller regional cells made of technical people. Why not?
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Torrance, CA | Re: oups It's all about the content....and nothing more
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join:2001-02-22
Huntersville, NC
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| Pfft. The UN is retarded if they think they'll be able to enforce laws on the internet. Heck, they already have enough trouble keeping sanctions on countries.
The UN is a failure in real life, and will be in cyberspace. They need to focus on getting countries to stop creating weapons, instead of playing with technology that they have no understanding of. | |
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Turn Left At The Moon
join:2001-02-11
Saint Louis, MO
| Hey, just maybe.. I don't know, maybe the UN with all the wisdom it has gained over the years knows something we don't. I mean that the UN has a unique view of the world that most of us have never had. I just know that I have never seen, first-hand, the inside of my ass close up. The UN on the other hand has had their head up their ass for years. I could never compete with that kind of knowledge. My advice would be to let them have their say, smile politely, and then show them what happens when you piss us off. I will be very surprised if I don't see some very rude graffiti on un.org My congressional and senatorial representatives have my email. How about you?
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| Re: Hey, just maybe.. I don't know, maybe the UN with all the wisdom
Ha!
it has gained over the years knows something we don't.
They know something many nutty 'peace activists' don't want us to know: the U.N. is just another Communist pipe-dream. | |
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