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that's all we need, non-computer people making decisions and rules about our computers.
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| Re: wow This is not a issue where computer literacy comes into the spotlight. It's very similar to the telemarketing problem. Common sense should tell you that having to opt-out from each corporation individually could take years to do. Since these corporations are governed by US law, it would be very simple to create a 'Do-not-spam' list for them to follow.
I know it wouldn't help with the overseas spam kings, but it would be a step in the right direction. This legislation accomplishes nothing (except adding to our representative's coffers). | |
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| Re: wow Wrong. It does accomplish something. If you sign up for the do not spam registry, it will 100% guarantee that you will be signed up for EVERY mailing list in the world. And you will never be able to get off. You will be forced to remove and recreate your email account under a new name. Thanks to the morons in office.
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to me this "do-not-spam" list is just what spammers are waiting for. someone hacks the list, we are all screwed. -- "I can't use what I can't abuse."-Garbage, "Vow" | |
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| Re: wow Actually, I think that the solution falls in the creation of a new protocol for mail. One that requires registration of the sending/forwarding agents. This will eliminate these guys from starting up a pop3 server on a linux box. Outside of locking things down, nothing else will help. The honor system does not work in this world. That on top of something like a DNS list may work.
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| Re: wow Not a Do-not-email list. Have an "I can email" list. Just like those picture words sites like yahoo use to verify its a human creating the account and not a bot.
Before you can send anything, you must prove that your a human and not a bot or a fake account trying to spam people. Until your email is "certified", no ISP will pass it through their servers.
For example, to be certified, before Earthlink will pass your @yahoo.com email to an earthlink customer, Earthlink will check with Yahoo to make sure X@yahoo.com is an actual account created by a human and is not mass messaging other's inboxes.
Yes, this will build a database of "certified" accounts that would make any Spam king salivate 10 times over. So lets make the hacking of this database and distribution of this list carry a harsher penalty than what Kevin Mitnick(sp?) got. I mean, if we can DMCA people's free speech into oblivion, why not toss them away for this? -- "Not that you would, but you could" | |
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Because stupidity is not a partisan issue, but rather one of the requirements to run for public office.
Too true. See this link for details:
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Time to get a job in the anti-spam software business.
Of course it is probably illegal to block "legal" spam now... LMAO!!! -- "If PCs are hard, then Macs are flaccid" -bb | |
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| Re: gg said by Blasterbator : Time to get a job in the anti-spam software business.
I think the next big thing will be software that will automatically opts you out after receiving spam. It will keep a record of were you have opted-out and automatically send abuse e-mails if you keep getting spam from the companies you opted out. | |
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Well, no suprises here. Congress is functioning normally: bribed and paid for. It's up to us to inflict punishment for spam. Suits will try to stampede over us with this. After all , if they're all using spammers, we wont be able to single one out for spam. But we can. We can pick one of the spam spewing scum houses and make an example of them with a boycott. Now this probably wouldnt work against the dong distenders or breast ballooners. But main sequence companies - soap vendors, publishers, ect., are vulnerable. When one of them starts spamming regularly, we should select them for boycott and push till thy're completely destroyed as an example to the others. | |
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| Re: Is it our turn now? said by linicx : I have a better idea. Why not sue Billy? He concocted this idea to begin with and pushed to get it passed. This guy is brain dead. There is no rational explanation for mandatory OPT-OUT except to line the pockets or grease the palm.
Better yet, sign him up for junk mail and spam... -- That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony. | |
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| Re: Is it our turn now? Yeah abuse the poor staff... you REALLY think ANY Senator or Congressman handles their own mail? Or even shops for their own groceries. (Remember when Bush the First was so astounded there were price scanners... like 8 years after the fact.) -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West) | |
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| Re: Is it our turn now? No but when their personal secretary is always busy and never has time to do everything for them then they can tell them that its cause they have to sift through 500+ spams a day(not that they would) like the rest of us! Then how would they feel? Would they like it if i called them 25 times a day on their cell phone or at home or at their desk? Huh? well the same goes for my email. i dont want to take the time to go through all the spam every day just like they wouldent want people interrupting them every five minutes giving them 1-900 numbers for porn, penis enlargers and how to order lots of things they never wanted, like prescriptions and life insurance and a new loan, car or morgage. | |
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| Re: Is it our turn now? said by Rambo76098 : No but when their personal secretary is always busy and never has time to do everything for them then they can tell them that its cause they have to sift through 500+ spams a day(not that they would) like the rest of us!
WHY... I don't.... I use a host with very effective spam filtering... and with broadband doesn't really matter if I DL it and it goes right into the delete folder.
I have to manually delete maybe a dozen new spam artist/day... no big deal.... I do browse the delete folder now and then, and it has never trapped something it shouldn't have... probably why I do get the dozen or so.
At and rate... given this time of year... a variation of JFK's words.... do NOT ask what your country should do for you ask what you can MUCH MORE effectively just do for yourself. (like we really need MORE PAID bureaucrats looking to continue themselves?)
For those to young to appreciate history... creating a bureaucracy only make a system that seeks to justify itself LONG after its intended usefulness... not really exaggerating killing a bureaucracy is much akin to trying to eradicate AIDS... once established a government established bureaucracy become a financial virus. (like anyone wants to loose their job even when the task at hand is actually done?... and one SHOULD likely be looking elsewhere.) -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
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join:2000-12-27 Glendale, AZ | What we should do is get a list of all the Legislators e-mail addresses and sing them up for every bit of spam we could. You know, all those web pages that say input your e-mail address for updates and marketing.
Give them a taste of it. | |
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| Re: Is it our turn now? said by phxmark : What we should do is get a list of all the Legislators e-mail addresses and sing them up for every bit of spam we could. You know, all those web pages that say input your e-mail address for updates and marketing.
Give them a taste of it.
Again you are going to abuse the minimally paid STAFF, the person you are aiming at are NEVER going to see the REALITY of it except by underling (you can easily be replaced) complaint. -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West) | |
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The fines apply to misleading subject lines, pornography, and anonymous spamming, little of which is done by the major players anyway.
Tougher and actually effective state laws that would have helped are now defunct. Opt-out is nice, but companies like Yahoo already allowed you to do that, and it doesn't affect some bulk spam shop in the Phillipines one bit. You've now got millions of companies who are going to spam you, and you've got to opt-out from every single one of them; until they try to follow up that problem with the do-not-spam registry, which will be sold and harvested giving less ethical spammers a new list to attack.
Illegal spammers continue to spam, and the amount of legit mailer output will double. That helps you? | |
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Glad to to know we have people who know nothing about the problem giving us their best solution! | |
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| Forget it! FCC and Congress just wasted millions of dollars creating a law that can't possibly work because, as usual, they caved into corporate business. It is easy to stop spam. Close mail servers. No mail = no spam. End of problem. When you do this you will also put 99% of the script kiddies out of business because VBS mail will be stopped dead.
The end result will be akin to paradise. System administrators can go about the business of doing something useful -- like securing their servers and applying long overdue patches - not wasting time cleaning the latest virus out of office machines. ISPs will not need X amount of unnecessary equipment , and because of it, they might be able offer reduced rates to customers.
Spam is not useful. It is a huge was of personal time; it is a huge was of corporate funds. We do not need it. Use snail mail, a fax machine, a cell phone, the land line, tell a neighbor, use a CB, or Ham radio, or smoke signals. It all works because it is all a form of communication.
It's irresponsible and ignorant to expect the public to put up with millions of bandwidth hogging html advertising because politicians can't say no to their own deep pocket interests. I can say no! Go out the back, Jack.; get off the bus, Gus; just go away, Jay; phooey on you, Hugh; keep your spam. Sam!
The only spam that is acceptable to me is NO SPAM, NO DAY! The Internet mail was designed to send short text messages; We need to go back to the basics and stop acting like ending html e-mail and viruses is a god given right; it isn't. E-mail is nothing more than an added system tool that went awry. Since email is not usable in is present form, It should be stopped. It's time to kill it before Congress throws the baby out with the bath water like it usually does.
When we go to the polls next year we should remember that we hired the people who made SPAM king in America. We need to fire them and start over. Maybe we will eventually hire a Congress with intestinal fortitude and common sense. Don't look for miracles very soon. | |
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| Re: Hmmm.... said by BrooklynZoo : Billy Tauzin must be a Republican. 
Why? What does political affiliation have to do when the vote was 392 to 5?
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| This changes nothing. Most corporations already send you mail when you opt into their mailing list. Now you are opted in by default to ALL of them, and you have to opt out one by one. So lets make opting out simple. Lets create a Do NOT spam registry and sell a list of potentially millions of valid email addresses to potential spammers. And we all know that the foreign spamming companies will not ever get their hands on this list. NOT.
So now you will have to get spam from millions of corporations ,whose mailing lists you have been gracefully opted into already. All this on top of the illegal spammers from overseas.
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| 136 Years.... Thats how long it would take for me to opt out at the rate of 20 new messeges a day for just 1 million businesses. At that rate what good is this bill? Plus it would still mean that I have to confirm my E-Mail address with them and does this bill make selling e-mail addresses illegal? I doubt it, so I tell them hey dont E-mail this address, they say ok put me on a whole nother list and pimp out my address to as many businesses that will buy it. Its like a pyramid of spam, starting from the top going downhill it only increases. | |
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| Re: *sigh* This is brilliance at it's finest. You should be voted into congress (I'm not being sarcastic either). This is exactly what we should be doing.
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| Re: *sigh* Well, there are side effects I can't seem to figure around.
Doing so would definitely send a message that this law is bunk, and they should rethink the issue.
But I'm not sure I want to goad them into making any laws on spam beyond this nop. Its very likely they will find some silly way of screwing email up worse than it is. SpamAssassin is essentially a 98+% solution to spam for me, while retaining all my freedoms.
If somebody could put together some thoughts to break me out of that dead lock, I would certainly be motivated to organize such an effort. | |
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| Status? Emails? Editorial! At exactly what stage are these US federal antispam bills? [edit: answered here:»www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,a···7,00.asp ] Bills with different language have overwhelmingly passed both houses, is that right? Where's the text of those bills? If that's right, who's on the committee that irons out the differences? What's their contact info? It's not over 'till it's over.
Has someone compiled a list of the email addresses of all the congresscritters who voted for this?
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