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Legalized Spam
'Can Spam Act': Good for AOL, bad for you
(old news - 11:01AM Tuesday Nov 25 2003)
tags: Op/Ed · spam
The Can-Spam Act of 2003 could have caged the spam beast, but instead gives America's 23 million businesses the green light to spam you - legally. Last week Senator Billy Tauzin celebrated the legislation, acting as if the bill would be an end to junk-flooded inboxes across America. After pulling an all-nighter Friday evening, the House voted Saturday morning 392-5 to pass the amended bill. Congress is expected to vote (and pass) on the legislation, and President Bush should have it enacted by year's end.

Phrases such as "Evil" and "useless" are being flung about by critics, who note the bill will make tougher anti-spam legislation in over 35 different states un-enforceable. Anti-Spam group Spamhaus suggests the bill simply legalizes spam, making it ok for 23 million U.S. businesses to bombard you with marketing provided they offer you some way to opt-out, and don't hide behind anonymous headers and misleading subject lines.

While the majority of anti-spam groups call the legislation laughable, marketers and the mega-corporations are over-joyed. Microsoft chairman Bill Gates called the legislation "a milestone in the battle against spam." AOL released a statement saying the law "will be a significant weapon for the online industry in the ongoing fight to can the spam and thwart the spam kingpins."

These companies are pleased that tougher state-level legislation won't prevent them (and their "trusted partners") from turning your inbox into a parade of "legitimate" sales pitches (California's tough SB 186 would have gone into effect January 1). Their lobbyists have managed to convince legislators that spam is ok, provided it comes from a corporation, most of whom already adhere to the standards set forth by the bill. Provided they bury the ability to opt-out forty pages deep in a sub-menu, they'll soon be free to spam the hell out of you and yours.

Those "Spam Kingpins" AOL claims will be thwarted - hide behind relays in countries half a world away, and won't be affected by the legislation one way or the other. "What happens to the guy in the Ukraine or Kazahkstan who send spam to us?" asks Villanova professor James Maule over at Declan McCullagh's mailing list. "Gonna send in the troops to get him?"

While Congress and corporations want you to believe they've concocted a potion to cure your spam woes, they've actually doomed you to years of having to opt-out from millions of new corporations who've now been given the green light to spam - legally. While they had an opportunity to actually take a stand against spam, your representatives have again folded to special interests and drafted legislation that will likely serve to make the spam tidal wave forty feet taller.

Those interested can find a copy of the final legislation here.

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LC8290
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wow

an utter loss of words.

Big Time
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Re: wow

said by LC8290 See Profile:
an utter loss of words.

I've got a few, but this is a family forum.......
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LC8290
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November 25th, @11:16AM

Re: wow

exactly

that's all we need, non-computer people making decisions and rules about our computers.

*jumps off cliff*
Cyron

join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC

Re: wow

This is not a issue where computer literacy comes into the spotlight. It's very similar to the telemarketing problem. Common sense should tell you that having to opt-out from each corporation individually could take years to do. Since these corporations are governed by US law, it would be very simple to create a 'Do-not-spam' list for them to follow.

I know it wouldn't help with the overseas spam kings, but it would be a step in the right direction. This legislation accomplishes nothing (except adding to our representative's coffers).
wentlanc
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Re: wow

Wrong. It does accomplish something. If you sign up for the do not spam registry, it will 100% guarantee that you will be signed up for EVERY mailing list in the world. And you will never be able to get off. You will be forced to remove and recreate your email account under a new name. Thanks to the morons in office.

puritan

LC8290
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Re: wow

to me this "do-not-spam" list is just what spammers are waiting for. someone hacks the list, we are all screwed.
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91439306
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The ultimate solution will come from the ISPs---after they've lost all their customers who decided that e-mail has become useless to them and cancel their internet accounts by the millions. Then SPAM will stop..
wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

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Re: wow

Actually, I think that the solution falls in the creation of a new protocol for mail. One that requires registration of the sending/forwarding agents. This will eliminate these guys from starting up a pop3 server on a linux box. Outside of locking things down, nothing else will help. The honor system does not work in this world. That on top of something like a DNS list may work.

puritan

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Re: wow

I fully agree. The current system is broken; no matter how many laws you throw at it, the situation WILL NOT CHANGE until we replace it with a protocol with better accountability. Why not push it in with the IPv6 change?
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TheHelpful1
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Re: wow

Not a Do-not-email list. Have an "I can email" list.
Just like those picture words sites like yahoo use to verify its a human creating the account and not a bot.

Before you can send anything, you must prove that your a human and not a bot or a fake account trying to spam people. Until your email is "certified", no ISP will pass it through their servers.

For example, to be certified, before Earthlink will pass your @yahoo.com email to an earthlink customer, Earthlink will check with Yahoo to make sure X@yahoo.com is an actual account created by a human and is not mass messaging other's inboxes.

Yes, this will build a database of "certified" accounts that would make any Spam king salivate 10 times over. So lets make the hacking of this database and distribution of this list carry a harsher penalty than what Kevin Mitnick(sp?) got. I mean, if we can DMCA people's free speech into oblivion, why not toss them away for this?
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Omega
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Why don't they take this time and repeal the DMCA?
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tdkyo

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Rochester, NY

Re: wow

Sorry, they are actually working for a tiny part of "us". They don't work for the majority of the peopl.

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I don't mind getting e-mail advertisements from companies which don't forge the headers, because if I don't like their messages or their products I can simply filter out the IP address or e-mail address from which they are sent. No problem there. The "scam spammers", with their forged everything, are the problem, and they MUST be stopped. We, as Internet users, must be able to trust in the honesty of the system itself. I know that ISPs could go a long way toward helping if they would automatically check the IP of an incoming message against its header information, and stop all those with forged headers.
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The most hated word..

has to be "Special Interest".

This country would be great again if we could kill that and return government to the people, not the almighty dollar and corporate greed.

But that ain't gonna happen!
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joebear29

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Bipartisonship at its best!

Why is it all the truly evil bills have overwhelming bipartison support?

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Re: Bipartisonship at its best!

said by joebear29 See Profile:
Why is it all the truly evil bills have overwhelming bipartison support?

Because stupidity is not a partisan issue, but rather one of the requirements to run for public office.
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Re: Bipartisonship at its best!

said by Camelot One See Profile:
said by joebear29 See Profile:
Why is it all the truly evil bills have overwhelming bipartison support?

Because stupidity is not a partisan issue, but rather one of the requirements to run for public office.
Too true. See this link for details:

»www.truestupidity.com/basic.htm
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Blasterbator
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gg

Well, I bet they certainly FEEL better about themselves.

Time to get a job in the anti-spam software business.

Of course it is probably illegal to block "legal" spam now... LMAO!!!
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Re: gg

said by Blasterbator See Profile:
Time to get a job in the anti-spam software business.
I think the next big thing will be software that will automatically opts you out after receiving spam. It will keep a record of were you have opted-out and automatically send abuse e-mails if you keep getting spam from the companies you opted out.

jansm38
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Re: gg

I want to know why I have to opt-out of something I never opted-in to to begin with?
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Varangian

join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL

Is it our turn now?

Well, no suprises here.
Congress is functioning normally: bribed and paid for.
It's up to us to inflict punishment for spam.
Suits will try to stampede over us with this. After all , if they're all using spammers, we wont be able to single one out for spam.
But we can.
We can pick one of the spam spewing scum houses and make an example of them with a boycott.
Now this probably wouldnt work against the dong distenders or breast ballooners.
But main sequence companies - soap vendors, publishers, ect., are vulnerable.
When one of them starts spamming regularly, we should select them for boycott and push till thy're completely destroyed as an example to the others.

linicx
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Re: Is it our turn now?

I have a better idea. Why not sue Billy? He concocted this idea to begin with and pushed to get it passed. This guy is brain dead. There is no rational explanation for mandatory OPT-OUT except to line the pockets or grease the palm.
wtansill
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Re: Is it our turn now?

said by linicx See Profile:
I have a better idea. Why not sue Billy? He concocted this idea to begin with and pushed to get it passed. This guy is brain dead. There is no rational explanation for mandatory OPT-OUT except to line the pockets or grease the palm.
Better yet, sign him up for junk mail and spam...
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mrchris
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I have an idea: Let's put as many senators and congressman's emails on as many bulk mailing and porn lists as possible, so they know how we feel getting 50+ spams a day
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Hayward
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Re: Is it our turn now?

Yeah abuse the poor staff... you REALLY think ANY Senator or Congressman handles their own mail? Or even shops for their own groceries. (Remember when Bush the First was so astounded there were price scanners... like 8 years after the fact.)
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Rambo76098

join:2003-02-21
Pataskala, OH

Re: Is it our turn now?

No but when their personal secretary is always busy and never has time to do everything for them then they can tell them that its cause they have to sift through 500+ spams a day(not that they would) like the rest of us! Then how would they feel? Would they like it if i called them 25 times a day on their cell phone or at home or at their desk? Huh? well the same goes for my email. i dont want to take the time to go through all the spam every day just like they wouldent want people interrupting them every five minutes giving them 1-900 numbers for porn, penis enlargers and how to order lots of things they never wanted, like prescriptions and life insurance and a new loan, car or morgage.

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November 25th, @10:04PM

Re: Is it our turn now?

said by Rambo76098 See Profile:
No but when their personal secretary is always busy and never has time to do everything for them then they can tell them that its cause they have to sift through 500+ spams a day(not that they would) like the rest of us!

WHY... I don't.... I use a host with very effective spam filtering... and with broadband doesn't really matter if I DL it and it goes right into the delete folder.

I have to manually delete maybe a dozen new spam artist/day... no big deal.... I do browse the delete folder now and then, and it has never trapped something it shouldn't have... probably why I do get the dozen or so.

At and rate... given this time of year... a variation of JFK's words.... do NOT ask what your country should do for you ask what you can MUCH MORE effectively just do for yourself. (like we really need MORE PAID bureaucrats looking to continue themselves?)

For those to young to appreciate history... creating a bureaucracy only make a system that seeks to justify itself LONG after its intended usefulness... not really exaggerating killing a bureaucracy is much akin to trying to eradicate AIDS... once established a government established bureaucracy become a financial virus. (like anyone wants to loose their job even when the task at hand is actually done?... and one SHOULD likely be looking elsewhere.)
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qsoak
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said by Rambo76098 See Profile:
No but when their personal secretary is always busy and never has time to do everything for them then they can tell them that its cause they have to sift through 500+ spams a day(not that they would) like the rest of us!
Probably won't work. I'm sure the politicians all have separate and private e-mail addresses (like many of us) that are only ever given to people they hand-select. No doubt these addresses are never advertised to the public (i.e. that annoying public that elected them to be their representative [/irony]) or published anywhere for someone to find.

I'm sure their secretary could easily ignore or delete any and all e-mail coming to the "official address" if it was convenient for them to do so. That probably happens everyday. I'm sure such people see all e-mail to the official address as SPAM. Doesn't matter if it's from a Viagra seller or from an equally pesky source- a constituent. It's all a nuisance to them [/cynicism] How do you like that, WE are the spam.

Now if someone could put together a list of those private e-mail addresses, and we could regularly SPAM SEND them our thoughts and ideas, that might make a small difference. We could of course include an opt out link somewhere in those e-mails.
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phxmark
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What we should do is get a list of all the Legislators e-mail addresses and sing them up for every bit of spam we could. You know, all those web pages that say input your e-mail address for updates and marketing.

Give them a taste of it.

Hayward
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Re: Is it our turn now?

said by phxmark See Profile:
What we should do is get a list of all the Legislators e-mail addresses and sing them up for every bit of spam we could. You know, all those web pages that say input your e-mail address for updates and marketing.

Give them a taste of it.

Again you are going to abuse the minimally paid STAFF, the person you are aiming at are NEVER going to see the REALITY of it except by underling (you can easily be replaced) complaint.
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jehu
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Read the Document, not the editorial

While the editorial makes it sound like the end of the world, if you actually read the legal document, it's quite clear that this ACT is going help the spam-receiver quite a bit!
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Re: Read the Document, not the editorial

said by jehu See Profile:
it's quite clear that this ACT is going help the spam-receiver quite a bit!
LOL. You're way too optimistic This bill was passed by the same Congress that gave us a Do-Not-Call list that specifically allows them to call us. I think this act will be equally useless.
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Re: Read the Document, not the editorial

said by pnh102 See Profile:
said by jehu See Profile:
it's quite clear that this ACT is going help the spam-receiver quite a bit!
LOL. You're way too optimistic This bill was passed by the same Congress that gave us a Do-Not-Call list that specifically allows them to call us. I think this act will be equally useless.

From what I understand of this, is that we are going to get spammed very hevily. It is going to strain everybody's BW and we will have to spend alot of extra time having to op out of things that we did not op in to in the first place. You can bet that those idiots in congress don't have to deal with spam. I say we op all those loosers in to tons of spam emails and let them deal with trying to op out of them
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Help in what way??

The fines apply to misleading subject lines, pornography, and anonymous spamming, little of which is done by the major players anyway.

Tougher and actually effective state laws that would have helped are now defunct. Opt-out is nice, but companies like Yahoo already allowed you to do that, and it doesn't affect some bulk spam shop in the Phillipines one bit. You've now got millions of companies who are going to spam you, and you've got to opt-out from every single one of them; until they try to follow up that problem with the do-not-spam registry, which will be sold and harvested giving less ethical spammers a new list to attack.

Illegal spammers continue to spam, and the amount of legit mailer output will double. That helps you?

jehu
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Re: Read the Document, not the editorial

Things have to seemingly get worse before they get better. I don't want to chum the waters.... just suggesting that people read the actual legislation before condemning it as some black-souled swindle.
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Makes me think:

Just like government funded television, this sucks.

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If I read this correctly

If I read the legislation correctly it seems to me that someone could complain that using a spam blocker in your email address could be an offense, IE bolt@REMOVETHISiglou.com. Does anyone else read it that way as well? Personally, I don't think this will slow down spam one bit, although some really stupid spammers might end up losing their money and equipment. Of course the DOJ will be the prosecuting body for federal charges and we know how effective they are.
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Glenn
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Hooray!

Hooray for nothing!

Glad to to know we have people who know nothing about the problem giving us their best solution!

linicx
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Forget it!

FCC and Congress just wasted millions of dollars creating a law that can't possibly work because, as usual, they caved into corporate business. It is easy to stop spam. Close mail servers. No mail = no spam. End of problem. When you do this you will also put 99% of the script kiddies out of business because VBS mail will be stopped dead.

The end result will be akin to paradise. System administrators can go about the business of doing something useful -- like securing their servers and applying long overdue patches - not wasting time cleaning the latest virus out of office machines. ISPs will not need X amount of unnecessary equipment , and because of it, they might be able offer reduced rates to customers.

Spam is not useful. It is a huge was of personal time; it is a huge was of corporate funds. We do not need it. Use snail mail, a fax machine, a cell phone, the land line, tell a neighbor, use a CB, or Ham radio, or smoke signals. It all works because it is all a form of communication.

It's irresponsible and ignorant to expect the public to put up with millions of bandwidth hogging html advertising because politicians can't say no to their own deep pocket interests. I can say no! Go out the back, Jack.; get off the bus, Gus; just go away, Jay; phooey on you, Hugh; keep your spam. Sam!

The only spam that is acceptable to me is NO SPAM, NO DAY! The Internet mail was designed to send short text messages; We need to go back to the basics and stop acting like ending html e-mail and viruses is a god given right; it isn't. E-mail is nothing more than an added system tool that went awry. Since email is not usable in is present form, It should be stopped. It's time to kill it before Congress throws the baby out with the bath water like it usually does.

When we go to the polls next year we should remember that we hired the people who made SPAM king in America. We need to fire them and start over. Maybe we will eventually hire a Congress with intestinal fortitude and common sense. Don't look for miracles very soon.

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calvoiper

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Time to give up....

Now that I have to use spybot to block dslreports from downloading "Avenue A" on me, it appears that all is lost...

Calvoiper
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JRKy
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Man...

F@#!IN Windows 98!

Theo2002

join:2002-02-28
Clermont, FL

FREE viagra

In the true spirit of this law I would like to offer FREE viagra & pen1s enlargement pills to all Senators

L8TR DAZE

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Re: FREE viagra

said by Theo2002 See Profile:
In the true spirit of this law I would like to offer FREE viagra & pen1s enlargement pills to all Senators

Good idea, might as well include Rectal Resporators for the ones that have there head were the sun don't shine!

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Lets face it....

Fighting spam will be the responsibility of the consumer. For better or for worse. I hear a lot about legislation and making it illegal to spam. However, the laws are unenforcable. Just like postal junk mail....this problem is not going to be fixed in the forseeable future.

I am glad I have taken steps to fight this myself by using a "junk mail" address. Otherwise, I would be drowning in spam.
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Re: Lets face it....

said by Nightfall See Profile:
I am glad I have taken steps to fight this myself by using a "junk mail" address. Otherwise, I would be drowning in spam.

Just give it time.... I am sure the spammers will make it to your isp with a dictionary attack...

Plasticman
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BrooklynZoo
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Hmmm....

Billy Tauzin must be a Republican.
wentlanc
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Re: Hmmm....

said by BrooklynZoo See Profile:
Billy Tauzin must be a Republican.

Why? What does political affiliation have to do when the vote was 392 to 5?

puritan
wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

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This changes nothing.

Most corporations already send you mail when you opt into their mailing list. Now you are opted in by default to ALL of them, and you have to opt out one by one. So lets make opting out simple. Lets create a Do NOT spam registry and sell a list of potentially millions of valid email addresses to potential spammers. And we all know that the foreign spamming companies will not ever get their hands on this list. NOT.

So now you will have to get spam from millions of corporations ,whose mailing lists you have been gracefully opted into already. All this on top of the illegal spammers from overseas.

Stupid people shouldn't breed.

puritan

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Re: This changes nothing.

said by wentlanc See Profile:

Stupid people shouldn't breed.

puritan

You got THAT right!

bbrkdub

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said by wentlanc See Profile:
Stupid people shouldn't breed.
Yeah, but do *they* know that? Probably not.
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Spore Cloud
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Burleson, TX

136 Years....

Thats how long it would take for me to opt out at the rate of 20 new messeges a day for just 1 million businesses. At that rate what good is this bill? Plus it would still mean that I have to confirm my E-Mail address with them and does this bill make selling e-mail addresses illegal? I doubt it, so I tell them hey dont E-mail this address, they say ok put me on a whole nother list and pimp out my address to as many businesses that will buy it. Its like a pyramid of spam, starting from the top going downhill it only increases.
tugrul

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*sigh*

I'm tempted to assemble a website to gather people willing to automatically redirect spam as labelled by their filter's to these senator's mailboxes...

Nothing better than eating one's own dog food.

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Re: *sigh*

This is brilliance at it's finest. You should be voted into congress (I'm not being sarcastic either). This is exactly what we should be doing.

(Keeping in mind I'm in Canada and not affected by this)
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tugrul

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Re: *sigh*

Well, there are side effects I can't seem to figure around.

Doing so would definitely send a message that this law is bunk, and they should rethink the issue.

But I'm not sure I want to goad them into making any laws on spam beyond this nop. Its very likely they will find some silly way of screwing email up worse than it is. SpamAssassin is essentially a 98+% solution to spam for me, while retaining all my freedoms.

If somebody could put together some thoughts to break me out of that dead lock, I would certainly be motivated to organize such an effort.

richk_1957
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Nothing will change

SPAM goes out 24x7
But a lot of the SPAM has a 'opt-out' link.
Those links that do work (~20%) only work during normal business hours (M-F, 9-5)
hroo772
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Congress Sucks

They really do ever since the patriot act. I have the goverment!
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elvey
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November 25th, @05:57PM

Status? Emails? Editorial!

At exactly what stage are these US federal antispam bills? [edit: answered here:»www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,a···7,00.asp ]
Bills with different language have overwhelmingly passed both houses, is that right? Where's the text of those bills? If that's right, who's on the committee that irons out the differences? What's their contact info? It's not over 'till it's over.

Has someone compiled a list of the email addresses of all the congresscritters who voted for this?

In CA, the votes for SB 12 and SB 186 were almost exactly along party lines. (The main goal of the current legislation is to nullify SB 186, which actually would have had a long term, significant, pos