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join:2001-07-25
Gray, GA
clubs: | God Help Us What happens if I get zombied and send out 5,000 emails?
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ArchAngel21x
I miss Final Fantasy XI
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join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
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join:2002-11-11
Los Gatos, CA |  Re: God Help Us
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cyberthugin
join:2002-03-12
Kew Gardens, NY | I agree with you brother, these senator need to take email 101 and email security 101, but then again, I guess they must be using aol. | |
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join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| The information below is publicly available at the following link: »dayton.senate.gov/contact.html
You may consider sending this guy your thoughts on the matter.
You can email him using the form located: »dayton.senate.gov/webform.html
Or you can write him letters at the addresses below:
Washington, DC Office
SR-346, Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, District of Columbia 20510
Phone: 202-224-3244
Fax: 202-228-2186
Metro Area Office
Federal Building, Suite 298
Fort Snelling, Minnesota 55111
Phone: 612-727-5220
Toll free: 888-224-9043
Fax: 612-727-5223
Northeast Regional Office
222 Main Street, Suite 200
Post Office Box 937
Biwabik, Minnesota 55708
Phone: 218-865-4480
Fax: 218-865-4667
Northwest Regional Office
401 DeMers Avenue
East Grand Forks, Minnesota 56721
Phone: 218-773-1110
Fax: 218-773-1993
Mobile Office
Post Office Box 608
Renville, Minnesota 56284
Phone: 320-905-3007
Healthcare Helpline
Phone: 866-296-4319
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SuperJudge
Magus
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join:2002-11-14
Albany, GA
clubs: | Then spammers will use out of country smtps to spam. How can the U.S. tax anybody but people using U.S. servers?
It's a stupid idea.
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join:2001-05-10
Tucson, AZ
| how will this be done? Do ISP's they just send your TLD a bill to the domain contact..
I dont see how this will curb spam....spammer can just as easily hi-jack a paying account and send from there..
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
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join:2002-07-30
Santa Maria, CA
clubs: | Re: how will this be done? how could they tax free email?
even if all US mail was sign up, anyone could go international.
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join:2003-10-09 | Re: how will this be done? Hah, they can try to tax my Canadian account. Come on, this is just an excuse for another tax grab, it's not to control spammers. | |
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join:2001-10-14
Maryville, TN
| Email accounts aren't really 'zombied' or 'hijack' per say, but are more accurately 'spoofed'. The problem with SMTP is it is a Simple Mail Transport Protocol. All it does is relay. Initially SMTP has no security built in to it. In a sense I guess the protocol still doesn't. Some servers can be configured to mimic security. They can be set to only relay if either the source or the destination is within a certain ip address range. (That's why some ISP's require you to use an alternate SMTP server if you connect off their network.) Other tricks include requiring users on the local network to authenticate or use encryption,(ESMTP) but allow incoming to relay to the pop server without such security. This lack of security is compounded by the fact that SMTP is just as much a client as a server in the traditional client-server relationship. The way it works is the client sends a message to an SMTP server (presumably source ISP), which in turn sends the message along to another SMTP server (presumably destination ISP), then to a MTA (typically a POP or IMAP server) which stores the message for later retrieval. (notice SMTP did not store the message. That's how simple it is.) This simplicity is why a virus can send email without your account's user name and password. The code is compact, and authentication isn't implemented. The SMTP server doesn't distinguish one client from another. In fact, the only way it can tell it's a client versus another SMTP server is if the source is from the local network or not. Beyond that, SMTP simply trusts the information is accurate. That said, what's to stop someone else from sending an email via SMTP and simply lying about the source email address? The answer is nothing. Consider this simple test of an SMTP server:
telnet smtp.yourisp.net 25
helo yourisp.net
mail from: myname@yourisp.net
rcpt to: someoneelse@anotherisp.com
data
This is just a test.
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quit
Why would someone lie, and put your email address there? Simply put, they are trying to bypass another security feature implemented by isp's. Some isp's are performing a reverse-dns to query if the source domain actually exists before relaying. If a spammer uses an account from that domain, then it exists. Then all of the messages sent to an invalid account are returned by the local ISP to the address spoofed. Now your inbox is 'spammed' with undeliverable messages you didn't send. (email viruses will also cause this.) | |
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clowny
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join:2003-09-09
Crystal Lake, IL
clubs: | More crap. This is crap, especially since a large number of spam mails come from other countries. It's just another way for the Government to get more $$$ from us. | |
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pianotech
Pianotech
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join:2002-12-30
New Castle, PA | Hehe I first got online in 1992 with the old Prodigy service. Along with your $14.95/month subscription, you were allowed to send 30 emails. After that, they cost 25-cents each! | |
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jose3030
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Manassas, VA | Re: Hehe I remember that trash! | |
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pianotech
Pianotech
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join:2002-12-30
New Castle, PA | Re: Hehe Some months my bill was over $100 just because of the emails I sent! | |
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Phil
Rojo Sol
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join:2001-06-11
Camarillo, CA | What a complete load. I'll take spam any day over more taxes. | |
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join:2003-10-02
Calgary, AB
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| Where is this tax coming from? Alright, I am sure you thought of this and I am sure that it will pass through your mind (if not before, now it will). This is not a fine! This is a TAX. Who pays taxes? Consumers and Businesses (which just gets thrown back to the consumer anyways). This is not postage and handling, this is not a pay per use thing. Think about it...what do politicians need to raise everyone's taxes? An excuse, it won't be the spammer who pays, it will be you as the consumer who pays!
STOP THIS GUY before it is too late!
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD | Criminals don't pay taxes . . . If there was an email tax, only law-abiding citizens would be paying it, not spammers. In fact they would be hijacking innocent people's computers and forcing THEM to pay for their spam. That's the way spammers work. | |
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Sisqo
World Champs. Babe Who?
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join:2002-08-14
Methuen, MA | Had to be..... Remind me why Minnesota is a state again?  j/k
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World Champs. Babe Who?
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join:2002-08-14
Methuen, MA
| Re: Had to be..... said by MrMaster  :
So Wisconsinites can look over the boarder and feel better knowing that their football team is worse than ours.
Hmm for some reason still don't see it as a good reason
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purplejello
join:2001-08-23
Reno, NV
clubs: | Re: Had to be..... I'm not sure... that seemed legit to me | |
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Dragasoni
We're All Mad Here
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join:2001-12-14
Clearwater, FL
| Ridiculous! What will they not attempt to tax in this country? What's next? Soon you'll have to pay taxes for using the bathroom, walking, talking, and who knows what else!
Like mentioned above, this is not a solution for spam, it is simply a way for the government to get more money. This is 100% crap, and it's not going to happen.
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join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| Re: Ridiculous! said by Dragasoni :
What will they not attempt to tax in this country? What's next? Soon you'll have to pay taxes for using the bathroom, walking, talking, and who knows what else!
It's getting to the point where you can't find a penny on the sidewalk, without some jackass politician wanting a piece of it. | |
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oliphant5
Got Identity?
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA | Of course | |
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join:2003-09-23
| Re: Of course Sure, tax me $0.05 for every e-mail I send. Just make sure you give me $0.05 for every e-mail I receive.
So, today I've sent 3 e-mails. I owe $0.15.
I've received 123 e-mails (121 SPAM). I get back $6.15.
Today I'll make $6.00. I can live with this solution. Too bad my fantasy world isn't reality. | |
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oliphant5
Got Identity?
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA | Re: Of course Mailfare? | |
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suzuki1
join:2003-01-22
Philadelphia, PA | Email tax??.... Its just like trying to make guns illegal... criminals don't get their guns legally. Same thing with email tax they just wont pay or will have a bogus accounts... | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | they cant collect from legit companies Okay,
now taxes will stop crime, sure i believe that ! NOT!!
How about a more advanced mail system. Where if the identity cant be verified its trashed ?
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join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA
| Re: they cant collect from legit companies said by DaveNJ :
Okay,
now taxes will stop crime, sure i believe that ! NOT!!
How about a more advanced mail system. Where if the identity cant be verified its trashed ?
Must you insist on making sense?
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join:2002-12-02
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| Re: No Spam list said by RoguePimp :
There is no reason a No-Spam list like the "National do not call" list wouldn't help curb this a bit. Just make them purchase the a list like telemarketers do. If they send out spam to you and you are on the list, they get fined. Easy! It is not as complicated as everyone thinks it is.
And if they sent you spam from China. What you going to do about it? Fine them? Stop trading with China? Send spam to Chinese in return? Bite your elbows?
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Spam trend has been to hijack As others have said, spammers have been turning to hacking into systems and using those systems to do their dirty work for them. So all that will happen if this is implemented (and that's is a BIG if) is that spammers will go from hacked box to hacked box sending e-mails without paying a dime. Meanwhile, innocent users will find multi-thousand dollar bills in their mailboxes a month after the fact.
So the spammers would get by this while the legitimate businesses and non-spam mailing lists would suffer higher costs. Good intentions, but bad implementation.
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| You guys have it backward... The tax wouldn't be levied against the sender. The recipient would have to pay a tax on each e-mail they receive!
In a way, this would be a solution. Everyone would get rid of their e-mail accounts and replace them with some other form of instant communication. | |
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nhjones
join:2002-09-12
Dayton, OH
| Taxation in 1776 Here's how our forefathers looked at issues like this in 1776 in the Declaration of Independence:
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance...
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Any government leader advocating increased bureaucracy and higher taxes is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Voters, take note! | |
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Comm M-E-L Instr
join:2000-09-28
Greer, SC
| Why do they continue to ignore the obvious Look, just penalize the company whose products and services are being peddled via spam and 90% of spam goes away. Simple.
Tax email? Give me a break.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Money, money, money..... SPAM stands for S**ty Politicians After Money | |
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join:2003-09-13
Clovis, NM | NO WAY we shouldn't have to pay | |
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join:2003-10-14
Stage 5.0
clubs: | Re: How far? omfg that's one freaky story, kudos for the link kthxbai.
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