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| Re: Perhaps... said by Karl Bode : If the WCA is accurate, rural U.S. communities could turn to the temporary Iraqi government for a loan? Surely they wouldn't miss 1.4 billion?
Rural communities are already getting short shrift from the ILECS despite money coming in from "Universal Service Fees" included on every bill. Now this. Sad... -- That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony. | |
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| Sure, who needs it? Well sure we can trim some money here, after all, why should our tax paying farmers have broadband? I mean sure, US tax dollars have paid for broadband connections in middle east refugee camps, so that a couple geeks can write a virus ridden P2P app....but rural America just has no need for DSL.
/sarcasm off -- AMD XP2500+ @2300mhz/ Asus A7N8X Deluxe rev 1.04/ 2x 512Mb Kingston HyperX PC3500/ WD 120Gb on serial/ Gainward GF4 4600/ Enermax 465P-VE/Custom water cooler | |
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join:2001-10-05 Rockville, MD | sorry dude that money is needed to pay for tax cuts for the rich and the iraqi war. Besides, it's obvious how this government feels about broadband - just look at the FCC's antics. | |
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 |  DonLibes Premium,ExMod 2001 join:2003-01-19 | Re: sorry dude A new line should appear shortly on your regular payroll statement:
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 |   LegoPower77 Abecedarian Premium join:2002-08-03 Arlington, VA
| Tax cuts for the rich? I suppose it doesn't matter that the top 50% of wage earners pay 96% of all income taxes, or that the top 1% pay over one third of the income taxes and the bottom 50% only pays 4%. It doesn't matter that in percentage terms, the bottom 50% got a bigger tax cut or that some people, because of the earned income tax credit, don't pay any taxes yet they receive a tax refund. And it doesn't matter that economics tells us that supply side works, that under both Reagan's tax cuts and now Bush's tax cuts, the economy grew and in Regan's case, the receipts to the IRS actually rose.
No, you see, the eeeevil rich don't need that money. The eeevil rich won't do anything with their money to help stimulate the economy. The eeeevil rich is best spent by some Washington politician to buy votes.
Who are you to decide? Oh yeah, Leftist commissars know best. This is communism, pure and simple. You people make me sick.
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join:2003-03-16 Manchester Township, NJ | Re: It's used for EX-SPANSION What? Every single consumer ISP in the world does this. | |
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| Re: It's used for EX-SPANSION I think people get confused by the hype that xDSL offerings provide "unshared" facilities unlike cable-based systems. I never could see why users bought into that nonsense, as if their provider gave them a direct, unshared pipe to the Internet backbone.
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  oliphant5 Got Identity? Premium join:2003-05-24 Corona, CA | That's okay Since the telco-shills claim that there is no government deployment money used to build infrastructure. | |
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| Re: That's okay said by oliphant5 : Since the telco-shills claim that, after stealing it all for their own personal use, there is no government deployment money used to build infrastructure.
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| Re: That's okay You say that every time, and I show you every time.
Here is a nice example $2.1 Billion: »Pennsylvania Showdown »www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/5210654.htm
And another example, another $50 million: »PA Broadband Debate Continues
Bookmark it this time and CC it to Boogie. -- -- Munis Killed the Telco Star -- Powered by Barry McKockenner Racing in association with Jack Mikkokov Motorsports [text was edited by author 2003-10-29 19:49:33] | |
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| Re: That's okay "The expiring legislation, passed in 1993 and known as Chapter 30, removed certain regulatory burdens, including caps on profits, on Verizon and other phone carriers in exchange for commitments to upgrade their networks to provide statewide broadband service by 2015."
Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE. Tax incentives are not public funding. Almost every big time employer in the entire country gets tax incentives on the local, state, or federal level.
The Ford plant here in town gets a tax break. I guess that every Ford is built using public money. The steel plant paid a big fat 0 in taxes this year. I guess that means all of that steel produced belongs to "the people".
If you want to talk about phone companies ripping off the public, let's talk about MCI Worldscum. -- The fighter still remains. Ethanol doesn't fund terrorist nations. »www.e85fuel.com/ | |
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| Re: That's okay quote: Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE.
This guy is STILL putting links up in hopes that no one reads them?? What's worse is that he's putting up links that go to op-ed pieces by Karl Bode on BBR.
He's not worth your time to even argue with- he really should get a job or something- cuz he sure doesn't work in telecom with his "knowledge"
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| Re: That's okay said by boogie74 : quote: Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE.
This guy is STILL putting links up in hopes that no one reads them?? What's worse is that he's putting up links that go to op-ed pieces by Karl Bode on BBR.
He's not worth your time to even argue with- he really should get a job or something- cuz he sure doesn't work in telecom with his "knowledge"
Boogie
Boogie...more hand holding is necessary I see. You really need to take some reading classes. And wow, I didn't know Karl wrote for the Philly Inquirerer...again you seem to have a real trouble telling the truth.
quote: Out of the 2.1 billion dollars received in the deal, $1.5 billion of it consisted of extra tax deductions.
So what was the other SIX HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS shill? Only in your shill filled mind is the gov't giving a telco money, not a gov't giving a telco money.
Give it up Boogie...you make these insane claims and are shot down time and time again. Just how much are the telcos paying you anyway?
What's next...you going to claim the telcos don't take increases again? It would be nice, we're all in need of a good laugh. -- -- Munis Killed the Telco Star -- Powered by Barry McKockenner Racing in association with Jack Mikkokov Motorsports [text was edited by author 2003-10-29 22:35:27] | |
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| Tax breaks earmarked for a single company isn't a subsidy? $2.1 Billion to a SINGLE COMPANY in exchange for DEPLOYMENT isn't a subsidy? In exchange for deployment, they got to keep $1.5 billion they would have paid the government...the OTHER $600 million wasn't. So how in your twisted logic is that not the government paying for the deployment? How is the government giving back billions that were owed by A PARTICULAR COMPANY in exchange for deployment by THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY not public funding of that deployment? The rewriting of the dictionary is nice, but makes you look really silly.
Oh, and nice clipping there sport, how about telling the whole story: quote: In 1994 Verizon (then Bell Atlantic) struck a landmark deal with the state, which provided Verizon with hefty financial incentives if they met certain broadband rollout criteria. It's estimated that those financial incentives over the years wound up clocking in at somewhere around $2.1 billion dollars.
PUHLEESE...you really need to get hooked on phonics and at least make a vague attempt at telling the truth rather than telco spin. -- -- Munis Killed the Telco Star -- Powered by Barry McKockenner Racing in association with Jack Mikkokov Motorsports [text was edited by author 2003-10-29 22:34:09] | |
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| Kill it completely I don't like paying for people's living choices. People who decide to live in a rural, hard-to-wire area should have to subsidize my high housing costs here in population dense Fairfax county where I've decided to live before accepting my hard-earned $$ for their convenience. Last I looked the Constitution doesn't guarantee a right to broadband access; but many in here treat the subject as if it does. [text was edited by author 2003-11-03 06:59:35] | |
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