Wireless GridlockReport predicts interference woes ( old news - 06:23PM Monday Oct 27 2003) tags: wireless · troubleWill a proliferation of Wi-Fi hotspots, 2.4Ghz phones, and assorted other noisy equipment lead to wireless gridlock?. According to new research by the Aberdeen Group (see TechWeb report), we're headed for a world of wireless interference hurt. 3-400,000 new Wi-Fi access points are sold each month, and with the nation's currently cluttered spectrum, the minor inconveniences of today could become the serious headaches of tomorrow, particularly in urban areas. As a peek into our Wireless Networking forum will tell you, users are increasingly facing problems related to Microwaves, 2.4Ghz phones, and assorted other noisy equipment. The Aberdeen group argues that the only effective way to avoid future problems is for the FCC to quickly allocate additional spectrum. The report itself is available at the Aberdeen website for free upon registration.
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| what frequencies should they steal, and from who? great idea to increase the spectrum!
but at what price.
i may seem cynical, but when something can be messed up... usually the goverment ends up doing it.
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|  | vincentfox
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Davis, CA
| Widen the 802.11b band? Can't the just extend the 802.11b band to alleviate this? The biggest problem I see right now is that the supposed 11-channels is really only 3 channels in practice. Those channels being 1, 6, and 11. I notice this already in my house as I *was* using 6 for an AP, and 11 for a bridge pair with neighbor. Started having problems with bridge, pulled up NetStumbler and noticed some neighbor nearby stepping on Ch.11 causing the problems. Moved the bridge to Ch.1 but how long before that gets a conflict too?
If it were widened so it was really 11 channels that would help a lot. Would be cheap too as you could still use existing equipment in compatibility mode unless you had all "high" equipment and wanted to specify Ch. 46 or whatever. | |
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Stewartstown, PA | interference woes No surprise here. If my 2.4 Ghz phone is too close to my computer with the wireless NIC, it knocks it off the network. That computer is also close to the garage. When it is on, many times the garage door remote control won't work. | |
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| Re: interference woes said by tim_k  :
No surprise here. If my 2.4 Ghz phone is too close to my computer with the wireless NIC, it knocks it off the network. That computer is also close to the garage. When it is on, many times the garage door remote control won't work.
Same thing happends with my speakers and cell phone... if they get to close speakers make a staticy sound... | |
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Ashburn, VA | So change the channel on the AP. | |
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| More space I'm wondering why the FCC won't open more of the wireless spectrum for commercial use. Maybe 5.8GHz phones can relieve some of the pressure. Fortunately, I have not encountered any interference yet between my network, phones, etc.
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|  Lets figure out a whole new way!
The same thing is happening to IPv4. Eventually we are all going to have to get IPv6, or at least bridge our networks from IPv4 to IPv6. We are eventually going to run out of room.
Granted, they are two totally different problems, but they share the same concept of 'this has to be solved' or we face *drumroll and thunder* 'THIS!'. I'm not comparing the two, just saying that the two problems are nearly identical, that its us humans gobbling up lots of space.
Thus, we could always allocate more space on the spectrum, but the question is, how much spectrum will ever be enough for our needs? Its going to run out in the future, so maybe new technologies are a good idea? | |
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hiatus | *snicker snicker* Makes me kind of glad that I bought a dual band 802.11a/b access point and a 5ghz 802.11a card for my laptop.  | |
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| Time for a clean sweep
Apocalypse Soon! Don't forget about our old, out of date power grid. The end is near, remember everything that has a beginning comes to an end. Then we can have all the spectrums free and start over. We need to clean this world up, it's a total mess. Format the world and reinstall. hahahaha
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The real Apocalypse was running out of area codes...
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| HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Radio interference.....
Now the shoe is on the other foot: radio communication seems to matter to internet users: it's not just a problem for 80 year old radio amateurs.
I suggest we realize that interference to radio communication matters to everyone, and we all accept that interfering technologies must be restricted or even banned if they cannot be made to co-exist with radio.
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| | moonpuppy
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| Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Radio interference.....
All radio spectrum is allocated and each has a specific use. Let's move the Wi-Fi people. Let's make them throw out their access points and buy new ones. Or, make people throw out their 2.4Ghz phones and make they pay more for the new 5.8Ghz phones. Hey, they can keep their phones if they want and only use them when the internet goes down. | |
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Key West, FL | Of COURSE IT WILL!!!!! Just like CB, 49mhz, 900 mhz, or ANY other OPEN/non regulated public space before that in populous places..
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| NoFatChicks
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Blountsville, AL | It will all end when... ...the government redoes OTA (Over The Air) TV, and reclaims a significant amount of the spectrum devoted to it. Why do you think the FCC is pushing digital tuners so much – so we can all get HD porn? Ya right! | |
| N0JCG
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Minneapolis, MN
| It's 1929 again! The FCC was brought into existence around 1929-1933 to bring order to radio chaos in the AM and SW bands. They did so by imposing licensing and assigning frequencies. Granted, we now may have more ways to impose order other than assigning frequencies, but impose order we must. "Market forces" couldn't bring order to chaos in 1929, and they can't do it today either. | |
| W2Net
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|  It is only the beggining
WIFI IS HERE TO STAY! just like the internet. Perhaps we do not know what to do with it and we think it is all going to end because it is too big for us to see. We did not make these waves we simply developed ways to use them. Whales communicate in a similar fashion and they do it in harmony. Sticks crackle, lightning sticks, thunder roars, and the world is still in one piece. Instead of closing our eyes maybe we should open them to the fact that we can use all of the energy and recycle it for other use. An example would be to consolidate WIFI carriers operating in different geographic regions. These carriers could use the same SSID and mind each other's frequencies because they all get paid to have the network up.
Another would be to create a whole new gig by rolling data, voice, and imagery into different frequencies and have the bands that communicate efficiently only send and receive those formats. What you will have is a regulated spectrum not by license but by use that is efficient and everyone could get paid.
Now all of this is just my utopian thinking but we all know that not everyone likes to play nice.
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| | N0JCG
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| We've done this before Society has faced this many times and prevailed. That's why we have traffic laws, zoning laws, park boards and planning commissions. Congress gave the FCC authority over RF back in 1933 and one of their practices since is to allocate a band to a particular use and try to let the users coordinate within the band. In the Amateur Radio Service, we sometimes have local coordinators for things like repeaters, which don't extend beyond the local geography. Maybe Wifi users need a similar coordination scheme.
I wouldn't wait for the FCC to do it for you. I'm losing faith in their ability to make good judgements. | |
| | russotto
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Collegeville, PA
| Re: We've done this before said by N0JCG :
Society has faced this many times and prevailed. That's why we have traffic laws, zoning laws, park boards and planning commissions.
Yes. Uncounted thousands of bureaucrats telling us exactly what we've got to do, when, and how, and requiring bribes if we want to do anything our way. Just what we need for WiFi. | |
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Minneapolis, MN
| Re: We've done this before I don't know about your community, but in mine the Planning Commission and the Park board are volunteers or part time elected positions. My point is that users in unlicensed spectrum will need to establish some type of local order. I don't think manufacturers or the FCC are going to help. It won't be thousands of bureaucrats telling us what to do; it will each community deciding what is best for itself. The hardest part I see is that this is a technical subject that few people understand.
The alternative is that McDonald's ends up suing the Starbuck's next door because their hot spots interfere. Nobody wins if we go that route. | |
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| what the fark? Thats why I'm glad I live out in the woods. Theres only minor issues here and there with 2.4GHz. Somebody's cordless phone, random access point, old microwave...
Thats also why I'm glad I got my amateur radio license back when I was 14. If there ever is any serious issues that appear, I can legally turn up the power to solve my issues, as theres no other *licensed* users of the spectrum within a 9mile radius. Part15 is a wonderful thing. 
I agree with reallocating the broadcast TV spectrum. I've never seen any TV station over channel 44. Even so, its not like within adjoining markets there are 69 television stations anyways. It could be chopped in half, and that would open up more than enough spectrum to solve all our issues...and provide additional channels for the auctions that the FCC has become famous for. Not only that, but if they left the bands alone, just reallocated some, that would provide a UHF wireless solution that would be the perfect NLOS answer we all seek outside of 900Mhz gear.
Damn, I'm good.
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