Making Unlimited, Limited - E-Music's new owner changes sales pitch

Making Unlimited, Limited
E-Music's new owner changes sales pitch
(old news - 07:52PM Thursday Oct 09 2003)
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On-line music service E-Music has been purchased by a new owner who doesn't much care for the "unlimited" selling point. As we discussed last November, the company came under considerable heat for promising "unlimited" downloads, then booting customers who they believed downloaded too much, saying they violated the "spirit of the service". As with cable companies who refuse to clearly specify download caps, the "unlimited" tag was thrown around casually; the company then acting surprised when consumers took them up on the offer.

According to the Register, E-music has now been purchased by Dimensional Associates, who intend to yank the unlimited pitch, limiting consumers instead to 40 downloads per month. For $14.99, users can increase that limit to 65 downloads a month; $50 allowing 300 downloads per month. The move is likely intended to help E-Music better compete with Apple's iTunes Music Store.

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mrchris We don't miss you Bush Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY	Jerk I think this guy cares more about money than giving out unlimited music for his customers..What an idiot Typical corporate company ripping the customer off. [text was edited by author 2003-10-09 20:00:01]
	permalink · 2003-10-09 19:56:42 ·

pianotech Pianotech Premium join:2002-12-30 New Castle, PA	Re: Jerk said by mrchris : I think this guy cares more about money than giving out unlimited music for his customers..What an idiot Typical corporate company ripping the customer off. [text was edited by author 2003-10-09 20:00:01] Yeah, the nerve! Charging a whole quarter for unencrypted, high quality VBR mp3's! Talk about greed! -- Independent Composer & Pianist.
	permalink · 2003-10-09 21:15:38 · Print ·

kilingspam

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Re: Jerk

WRONG!!!!
emusic.com only offers 128 mp3's.

I'm surprised emusic.com has lasted this long with only adding about 10 new albums per year for download. (and most of those by unknown polka bands, or even worse, some kid submitting his Techno-Ejay tunes) LOL

90% of "music" they offer is by unknown bands.
The "only" real thing it appears they offer is in their comedy section. and that is also only if you are a George Carlin fan.

permalink · 2003-10-10 01:18:28 ·

pianotech
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Re: Jerk

said by kilingspam :
WRONG!!!!
emusic.com only offers 128 mp3's.

I'm surprised emusic.com has lasted this long with only adding about 10 new albums per year for download. (and most of those by unknown polka bands, or even worse, some kid submitting his Techno-Ejay tunes) LOL

90% of "music" they offer is by unknown bands.
The "only" real thing it appears they offer is in their comedy section. and that is also only if you are a George Carlin fan.

You could not be more wrong. First of all, all the artists on Emusic are signed to indie labels...there are no unsigned artists uploading their so-called "music" there. Most of their files are in high quality variable bit rate, and I've got the files to prove it. There are still some carry-overs that are in 128, but those are the exception, not the rule. You obviously were not a member or you would know this.

At any rate, you should get your facts straight before spouting off inaccurate information and embarrassing yourself.

As for music, I consider Apples In Stereo, The Decemberists, Echo & The Bunnymen, Yes, Doleful Lions, Higher Burning Fire, Leo Kottke, Stereolab, The Church, Secret Machines, The Kinks, etc, as excellent bands...with the exception of the Kinks and Yes, that's all music I would never have heard. Not on p2p and certainly not on the radio.

Get your facts straight about what you're talking about. More importantly, have an open mind...you might be surprised at what you discover.

Edit: Btw, the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Good Charlotte, etc, were all "unknown bands" at one time. Ever think of that? Didn't think so.

So you want instead to pay for a service that lets you hear everything you've already heard before? Mmkay..:)

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[text was edited by author 2003-10-10 08:42:39]

permalink · 2003-10-10 08:32:23 · Print ·

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Re: Jerk

said by pianotech :

As for music, I consider Apples In Stereo, The Decemberists, Echo & The Bunnymen, Yes, Doleful Lions, Higher Burning Fire, Leo Kottke, Stereolab, The Church, Secret Machines, The Kinks, etc, as excellent bands...with the exception of the Kinks and Yes, that's all music I would never have heard. Not on p2p and certainly not on the radio.

Edit: Btw, the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Good Charlotte, etc, were all "unknown bands" at one time. Ever think of that? Didn't think so. So you want instead to pay for a service that lets you hear everything you've already heard before? Mmkay..:)

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[text was edited by author 2003-10-10 08:42:39]

You know why you never hear this stuff on the radio?

1. Language - Rap seems to be the most responsible for this but when you lace your music with the f-word on every other line, then radio play is not going to happen. Even some heavy metal bands and "alternative" bands have done the same thing. Yes, there are "radio" versions but when you insert language like that into your music, you accept the fact it won't get played in its original format on the radio.

2. No more disc jockeys - Radio is now all "personalities." No more guys like Wolfman Jack who would play something to see if the crowd liked it or not. A local station used to have a "battle of the bands" when they introduced new music. That was 10 years ago. Now, Clear Channel and other have taken the playlists out of the local station hands and given them to the accountants and marketing people. Want to blame anyone here, blame big business.

Besides, Echo and the Bunnymen were around in my time (80's) so they are not unknown to me.

permalink · 2003-10-10 09:12:18 · Print ·

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Re: Jerk

Language like what? Besides the Bunnymen, Yes, and the Kinks, have you heard any of this stuff? There's no language in it at all that's bad and it's all radio-friendly.

The reason you don't hear it is because they are not involved in the RIAA/ClearChannel Pay For Play cartel, and that's it.

But the original issue was someone here posting that Emusic offered only 128bitrate mp3s (which is wrong) and accepted uploads (which is wrong) by unsigned musicians (which is wrong).
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permalink · 2003-10-10 09:18:50 · Print ·

moonpuppy

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Re: Jerk

said by pianotech :
Language like what? Besides the Bunnymen, Yes, and the Kinks, have you heard any of this stuff? There's no language in it at all that's bad and it's all radio-friendly.

This is a general statement I made. When you have Eminem, Insane Clown Posse and a few other making record sales with no radio airplay, then something has to account for how these bands are being heard.

said by pianotech :

The reason you don't hear it is because they are not involved in the RIAA/ClearChannel Pay For Play cartel, and that's it.

Thank you for proving my second point.

permalink · 2003-10-10 16:31:27 · Print ·

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said by moonpuppy :
You know why you never hear this stuff on the radio?

1. Language - Rap seems to be the most responsible for this but when you lace your music with the f-word on every other line, then radio play is not going to happen. Even some heavy metal bands and "alternative" bands have done the same thing. Yes, there are "radio" versions but when you insert language like that into your music, you accept the fact it won't get played in its original format on the radio.

Umm.. Almost all the bands listed are indie-rock bands, not RAP. Consequently, there's very little cursing involved, and they do get played on college radio, which is basically the only format on the airwaves which still makes use of disc jockeys.

permalink · 2003-10-10 19:41:55 · Print ·

moonpuppy

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Re: Jerk

said by zeroidea :

said by moonpuppy :
You know why you never hear this stuff on the radio?

1. Language - Rap seems to be the most responsible for this but when you lace your music with the f-word on every other line, then radio play is not going to happen. Even some heavy metal bands and "alternative" bands have done the same thing. Yes, there are "radio" versions but when you insert language like that into your music, you accept the fact it won't get played in its original format on the radio.
Umm.. Almost all the bands listed are indie-rock bands, not RAP. Consequently, there's very little cursing involved, and they do get played on college radio, which is basically the only format on the airwaves which still makes use of disc jockeys.

Most college stations aren't that powerful and can't be heard far from the campus they transmit from.

Also, college radio stations fall into the same trap other stations do. They play only certain types of music. Every station has its format. Most college stations play the indie stuff that no one else plays for various reasons.

However, my point still stands. Language is one reason why some music does NOT get radio airplay. I never said that this was the stuff on eMusic. I was mearly making a point that radio (as it is now) will not play certain music because of the language in it (notably rap, hip-hop, and even some indie stuff.) When was the last time you heard Insane Clown Posse on the radio? They even admit they don't get airplay yet they still sell albums. If the CD carries a "Parental Advisory" label, kids buy it.

Also, college stations are not imune from the FCC so if there was an indie group that spouted off enough vulgarities in their song, the station would find itself in just a bit of trouble.

permalink · 2003-10-10 20:20:50 · Print ·

kilingspam

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(Calling me a liar of which I AM NOT!
Spouting off? How polite......)

Again I should have known better than to post.
The rudeness here at DSLR these days...

I will take that and admit they may have now changed (unverified, I just looked at an album the other day for my little bro and it was 128) to vbr rates but the last time I used them, when I was a member a little over a year ago, all they had was 128 PERIOD!

I do have an open mind and listen to LOTS of different music (gospel to acid rock), but come on, they have ALOT of CRAP on their site MOST would not want! Admit it!

I will listen to it, give it a chance, but bad music is bad music!

With the internet anyone can produce music and post it to a website and not have ANY TALENT! With or without a label.

permalink · 2003-10-10 09:47:24 · Print ·

pianotech
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Re: Jerk

Alright, I apologize for being rude..sincerely.

I was just trying to make the distinction between Emusic and one of those "upload your music" sites, like mp3.com among others. Emusic is not one of those..all the acts are signed! Sure there is bad music there but there are a lot of gems too!

And I never said you were a liar...I just said that you were wrong, albeit it I didn't go about it in the most gracious way.
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permalink · 2003-10-10 09:54:02 · Print ·

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said by kilingspam :

I do have an open mind and listen to LOTS of different music (gospel to acid rock), but come on, they have ALOT of CRAP on their site MOST would not want! Admit it!

I'm glad you are open to lots of different music. Many are not that open-minded.

So you didn't like most of the Emusic catalog. At least you tried it out first.
Sure, there's crap, there's a lot of great stuff too. I've gotten tons of it from Emusic.

I'm not real concerned about what MOST would want.
MOST like whatever they're spoon-fed on the radio or Kazaa. Who cares.
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permalink · 2003-10-13 15:36:39 · Print ·

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said by mrchris :
I think this guy cares more about money than giving out unlimited music for his customers..What an idiot

Typical corporate company ripping the customer off.
[text was edited by author 2003-10-09 20:00:01]

A business has to make profit somehow. He saw that some people were taking more then their fair share. He then changes the rules to benefit his business. The people that don't like it can move elsewhere.

At least this guy is trying to propagate the online business model... something the RIAA still has not done.
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permalink · 2003-10-09 22:26:46 · Print ·

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Unlimited business model...

said by damonlab :

A business has to make profit somehow. He saw that some people were taking more then their fair share. He then changes the rules to benefit his business. The people that don't like it can move elsewhere.

At least this guy is trying to propagate the online business model... something the RIAA still has not done.

Well, then they (e-business) should have never of used the unlimited business model. They are just using it to see how many people will climb on board, then when they impose a cap without telling anyone, see how many customers stay with that company. Most sane people know there will be few ppl who abuse the "unlimited" usage of anything that is "unlimited". If you apply this to cable's undisclosed "limited" usage, then eventually the internet itself will become a commercial device. Something, I will grudgingly use if it comes to that. I have seen CNN go from unlimited news to a pay to read news...hell I will go back to the paper. I go to MSNBC now, at least they are still free, and they get my web clicks as well. "TVGUIDE.com" you have to register now to even look at the local tv listings, so you tell me that companies to not know that if something is unlimited people are not going to take full advantage of it?
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PolarBearWY

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I was in the car yesterday for 20 minutes total today in three trips.

I took my g/f to the university.
I picked her up.
I went to the post office.

Amazingly, I heard the same song in each of the three trips.

Can you see why I want to be able to burn my own mix CDs? I want to burn 6 CDs with 20 tracks on each, but cannot afford to buy 120 CDs to do it legally. The RIAA needs to get with the program and accept the internet as a selling venue.

99 cents per song is ridiculous. The avg retail CD has about 15 tracks, right? I can buy it from a seller on Amazon or Half.com for $9 + shipping, brand new. So if I can get it from a seller making profit at $9 (minus 15% commission), then I should be able to get it for about $5 digitally, since they won't need to press the CD, ship it to a warehouse, store it, ship it to a seller, etc. So I should be able to get 15 downloads for $5, in my view. But the RIAA is being such an ass about the internet that I don't even want to give them $5.

Anyone know how many "artists" there were back in the 70s? Why is it that the number of "artists" with CDs has risen about 4,000% in the last two decades and yet the number of talented "artists" has declined about 50%??

permalink · 2003-10-10 16:57:47 · Print ·

DSLTech

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Re: Jerk

I dont think 99 cents per song is bad.

Your logic about 15 tracks is nonsense. Dont tell me you'll LIKE all 15 tracks. Maybe at most 5 songs? So you paid $10 plus shipping for 5 songs.

OK so you want 15 songs fo $5? Lets again assume that its the same album with the same 15 songs of which only 5 are any good.

Well thats $1.00 per song, buddy.

Fact is, if you really like a song, 1 buck isnt that much to pay.

permalink · 2003-10-11 22:43:02 ·

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Re: Jerk

said by DSLTech :
I dont think 99 cents per song is bad.

Your logic about 15 tracks is nonsense. Dont tell me you'll LIKE all 15 tracks. Maybe at most 5 songs? So you paid $10 plus shipping for 5 songs.

OK so you want 15 songs fo $5? Lets again assume that its the same album with the same 15 songs of which only 5 are any good.

Well thats $1.00 per song, buddy.

Fact is, if you really like a song, 1 buck isnt that much to pay.

This is not a difficult concept, buddy. Buy good music, you'll find that you might like ALL the tracks.

Radio sheep complain that CDs only have 1 or 2 good songs on them now.
My CDs might have one or two bad songs.....
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permalink · 2003-10-13 15:40:06 · Print ·

PolarBearWY join:2002-02-20 Laramie, WY	I don't buy the 1-song CDs, or 5-song CDs. I mostly buy soundtracks or new age music -- and yeah, I like all songs. I like all 18 tracks on the Gladiator soundtrack. And I think I like about all but 3-5 tracks on ALL Radiohead CDs ever produced, including the imports. I would never buy a CD that was 67% crap.
	permalink · 2003-10-12 01:27:32 ·

IIIBradIII Comm M-E-L Instr join:2000-09-28 Greer, SC	At least he drew the line Yeah it sucks and all, but at least they have a clearly defined limit now. IMO it's worse to promise something and not deliver (boot you for downloading too much when "too much" supposedly didn't exist). -- Remember, there are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots.»www.FS2004.com
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:00:46 ·

buzz_4_20 join:2003-09-20 Presque Isle, ME	Wrong competition trying to compete with iTunes is a good idea but the P2Pers, who were attracted by the Unlimited are now felling like they are getting this message... Pay a lot or don't pay at all.
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:00:54 ·

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Re: Wrong competition

Part of the attraction of eMusic was the unlimited
downloads. It was billed as a legitimate alternative to
P2P, and now that the new owners plan to do away with this
feature, where do you think those former eMusic users will
go? Back to P2P, IRC, and newsgroups where downloads are
free. They certainly won't go for the per song DRM
services (Napster 2.0, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, BuyMusic and
iTunes).
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Toymaster Premium join:2001-12-27 Flint, MI clubs: ·AT&T Midwest	Re: Wrong competition said by Doctor Four : Back to P2P, IRC, and newsgroups where downloads are free. They certainly won't go for the per song DRM services (Napster 2.0, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, BuyMusic and iTunes). Can I get an ahem.... Time to pull the IRC program out the closet. -- Join SETI Now! [text was edited by author 2003-10-10 01:00:43]
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Konaguy Live From Kailua-Kona, Hawaii Premium join:2000-10-21 Kailua Kona, HI ·Hawaiian Telcom	said by Doctor Four : They certainly won't go for the per song DRM services (Napster 2.0, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, BuyMusic and iTunes). I use Rhapsody. I have been very happy with it, it only costs 9.95 a month + .79 a song. More importantly there adding music I like. On top of it the music is burned directly to CD after you purchase it. No limits whatsoever. -- Forum Posts: 1240
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PolarBearWY join:2002-02-20 Laramie, WY	(Am I missing something or do we have to get a mod to delete our own posts?) [text was edited by author 2003-10-10 10:24:31]
	permalink · 2003-10-10 10:23:15 ·

wozster Premium join:2000-10-21 Lenexa, KS	Whooda Thunk It? [Rest In Peace] E-Music [/Rest In Peace]
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:01:01 ·

wozster Premium join:2000-10-21 Lenexa, KS	Re: Whooda Thunk It? FYI - This is a good read for anyone that is interested it this topic: »knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/arti···page=yes -- Protect online free speech
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:31:34 ·

Toymaster Premium join:2001-12-27 Flint, MI clubs:	Re: Whooda Thunk It? I just wonder how long the RIAA is going to remain in the dark about their industry. -- Join SETI Now!
	permalink · 2003-10-10 00:56:26 ·

Transmaster Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY	Wow interesting!!!!
	permalink · 2003-10-10 12:54:32 ·

caleet Radio X - Usradiox.Com Premium join:2002-05-29 Middletown, OH	Will Cancel if this is true If thats the going price I will cancel immediately. -- Charles »www.radioxlive.com
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:05:31 ·

caleet Radio X - Usradiox.Com Premium join:2002-05-29 Middletown, OH	Re: Will Cancel if this is true Yep its very true ... just read the website ... I will quit my subscription the second it goes in effect. -- Charles »www.radioxlive.com
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:13:12 ·

TomCat656 Thundercats, Ho join:2003-02-17 Broken Arrow, OK clubs:	Re: Will Cancel if this is true Well, there are better music sites out there. Some offer unlimited downloads for only 99 cents a month if you sign up to a 2 year subscription. Good Luck! -- "A small leak can sink a great ship."-Benjamin Franklin
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:21:17 ·

caleet Radio X - Usradiox.Com Premium join:2002-05-29 Middletown, OH	Re: Will Cancel if this is true Good deal ... I will look for them. I noticed they took down thier message boards at Emusic also. I think they know they are gonna get yelled at. -- Charles »www.radioxlive.com [text was edited by author 2003-10-09 20:24:28]
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:24:07 ·

fancydancer Perception is reality Premium join:2002-08-28 Springfield, IL clubs: ·Comcast ·Insight Communicat..	said by TomCat656 : ...if you sign up to a 2 year subscription. Good Luck! You'd be lucky for the service to last 2 months! -- MCSE- Minesweeper Consultant Solitaire Expert
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:38:07 ·

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said by TomCat656 :
Some offer unlimited downloads for only 99 cents a month if you sign up to a 2 year subscription. Good Luck!

My questions is this...does it say some where in small print that "We reserve the right to change our TOS at will with out prior notice"?

I hardly sign up for more than the least about of time allowed for a service. I have been burned to many times by those 15 words.
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said by caleet :
If thats the going price I will cancel immediately.

What You won't pay $0.05 cents per song? Thats better than anyone else is offering anywhere on the planet, most likely. Unless You like wearing an Eye Patch...

If I had the extra money I'd spend It,

As It's literally nothing almost to cry over, Not to mention a realistic price and a Bargain. But If You must say that You want It for FREE, Then You are no better than a Pirate.
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damonlab Premium join:2001-05-02 Detroit, MI clubs:	still a limited selection... i want a pay service that will let me select from EVERYTHING available
	permalink · 2003-10-09 22:29:49 ·

TomCat656 Thundercats, Ho join:2003-02-17 Broken Arrow, OK clubs:	May I have Limited downloads please? I wish someone would explain to these people the difference between unlimited service and limited service. Would make life a whole lot easier.
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:17:25 ·

fancydancer Perception is reality Premium join:2002-08-28 Springfield, IL clubs: ·Comcast ·Insight Communicat..	If you can't please everyone, just please yourself Sheesh! You play by the rules by paying for a service that claims to be unlimited and then get labeled abusers by violating the "spirit of the service"?? Gee, wonder why people download music "illegally"! You can't win for losing. -- MCSE- Minesweeper Consultant Solitaire Expert
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:21:14 ·

TomCat656 Thundercats, Ho join:2003-02-17 Broken Arrow, OK clubs:	Re: If you can't please everyone, just please yourself Amen brother. -- "A small leak can sink a great ship." -Benjamin Franklin
	permalink · 2003-10-09 20:23:51 ·

Anti_Cyrix Premium join:2003-03-06 Sacramento, CA	Never used E-Music... ...and never will. $50 a month for 300 songs, or unlimited P2P downloads for free??? Make a choice.
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Site is currently swamped from people trying...

to download as much as they can before the changeover. I'm
sure this has generated a whole lot of negative PR for the
site - I wonder how many of their 70,000 customers will
cancel their subscription before the new owner takes over?
I for one will be cancelling at the end of the month. Even
at $0.17 per track (the most expensive plan at $50.00/
month), many will go elsewhere. What happens if you reach
your monthly limit, but want to download something else?
Are you forced to wait, or will you be able to buy the
excess downloads on a per-track basis?
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permalink · 2003-10-09 20:33:21 · Print ·

kool kitty Kool Kitty Premium join:2002-04-03 Lancaster, CA	Re: Site is currently swamped from people trying... Once you reach your monthly limit you will not be able to download any more music until the following month. You won't be able to buy music on a per-track basis.
	permalink · 2003-10-10 02:09:26 ·

pianotech
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Am I the only one??

I've been a subscriber to Emusic for a while now. The indie stuff there is fantastic and is music that you just don't hear elsewhere. Non-mainstream stuff. I discovered Apples In Stereo, The Decemberists, and a ton of other great music there.

So now they go from "unlimited" (which it never was) to 40 songs per month. That's .25/song in vbr mp3 format, perfectly legal, and the artist gets paid. 25-cents a track that's not crippled or "leased" to you, and people are complaining??
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permalink · 2003-10-09 21:19:39 · Print ·

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Re: Am I the only one??

when the "limit" used to be 250 albums a month (it eventually was in the TOS) and the cost was 9.99 a month, going from 4 cents an album to 25 cents a track is a considerable price hike

what set them apart was the ability to sample lots of stuff for next to nothing--disposable music if you will. you could grab some off the wall title, and if you hated it you could delete it and be out almost no money--you could cast a wide net and still catch a few good fish. now they are not a whole lot better than the competition (vbr unbastardized mp3 is nice, but not 40 songs for 10 bucks nice--maybe 200 songs for 10 bucks)

they have pretty much signed their own death warrant

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pianotech
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Re: Am I the only one??

Yeah, you do have a point about freely downloading entire CD's based on a few sample tracks that you liked, and then realizing that you didn't like it after all. If they would add streaming to the site, that would be a big help, but who knows what they'll do.

For the time being though, I'll be sticking around. I figure that's 4 CD's I can get every month for $10, so I'll see how it works out.
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permalink · 2003-10-09 21:40:47 ·

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Consumer's are getting pushed too much

All price increases are being a big issue right not, times aren't the best and consumers are being wrung dry of cash from every direction, and every little price increase lately is hitting nerves as many people can't afford luxury's that we have been accustomed to.

And we are getting pissed at all these companies raising prices without making anything better.

Have you seen the jobless rate lately?

The cost of living is going up but income isn't.

permalink · 2003-10-09 21:30:43 ·

technic join:2003-09-19 Milwaukee, WI	Just canceled I got an e-mail this morning from e-music about this and was given the option to get out of my 1 year contract.... SO I cancelled... why? because I don't want to be limited in my downloads. For the last few months I have downloaded TONS of music from their for the $10 a month..... now they put a cap on it and raise the price... forget that noise.....Not worth it to me anymore...
	permalink · 2003-10-09 21:48:39 ·

PolarBearWY

join:2002-02-20
Laramie, WY

Re: Just canceled

Yup, you can get most of it "illegally" for free. $10 was the cheapest way to make it legal. If they are going to stomp on your parade, you might as well go the illegal route again.

Sure, there's a small chance you could get sued by the RIAA, but please... what are the chances? How many millions of users are there in the USA alone? How many subpoenas have been mailed so far? 60? The current odds are not in favor of the RIAA. If you are "lucky" enough to get a subpoena, buy a lottery ticket as well.

permalink · 2003-10-09 22:11:39 · Print ·

qworster

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Los Angeles, CA

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Stick a fork in 'em..they're DONE!

Seriously, this is the WRONG time for anyone to raise prices. We're in a recession. The arrogance of this company is stunning!
Why, just today, Turbotax put full page ads in major newspapers apologizing to their customers for treating them like criminals - and begging them to come back.
Problem is, most won't because they went out and found an alternative. Same will happen to emusic...they will quickly become redundant.

As Forrest Gump said: Stupid is as stupid does....and I guess in this case the moron knows more then the rich executive!

permalink · 2003-10-09 21:58:42 · Print ·

PolarBearWY

join:2002-02-20
Laramie, WY

Re: Stick a fork in 'em..they're DONE!

Is their stock public? I'd say it's time to short sell.

It was less than a week ago that I hit my 50 free songs and ended up not subscribing to the service. I guess I'm glad I did. There were about 100 new age albums that I thought would be nice to download, but I chose not to subscribe. I'm glad I'm not in the contract now, no matter what the price is. Certainly all former accounts will be grandfathered though, right?

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Sebastian Premium join:2000-12-22 New Haven, CT	customers can rule times like this is when the community need to come together as a whole. .. by that i mean, if enough people cancel they will likely remove the limits .. either that, or go out of business. its obvious you can't stay in business without customers. -- upon reflection, i decided to post.
	permalink · 2003-10-09 22:07:45 ·

subcultured
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is eMusic still for me?

i have been a subscriber to emusic for almost 2 years. the service has been mostly good, and i've found that it's been a great place to download music risk-free from bands i haven't heard about. i've discovered a lot of great music - music i've gone on and purchased from the small labels that i love to support. quite often, i'd go several months without downloading a single song. other months, i'd download 5-6 albums. it was never a concern because the value of the service was worth it for me.

now, i'm struggling to figure out if this price structure fits my usage. it doesn't make it an easy decision when my attempted downloads from eMusic today have nearly all resulted in an error and that they've eliminated all links to their message boards - bad move!

permalink · 2003-10-09 22:18:22 · Print ·

PolarBearWY join:2002-02-20 Laramie, WY	Re: is eMusic still for me? Simply, there needs to be a way to buy music. We all want to put our fave 15 songs on an 80-min CD and make our own weekly mix CD. If the RIAA got their wishes, we'd have to buy 15 CDs to get those 15 songs at a whopping cost of $250. Screw that! The RIAA needs to come up with a better system, or I won't EVER buy a CD again.
	permalink · 2003-10-09 22:22:30 ·

Cod join:2000-07-05 Greensboro, NC	I tunes rocks. I Tunes for MAC is the best by far (is anyone suprised) and their PC client will be available shortly and completely obliterate any other competetion.
	permalink · 2003-10-09 22:25:21 ·

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Re: I tunes rocks.

I am seriously looking at going with iTunes for Windows
when it comes out. Sure, there is DRM technology involved,
but overall, Apple's is less intrusive and restrictive
than Windows Media is, and their plan is pretty generous
compared to their competitors.
--
"Kayura or Badamon, whichever you are, you should know that I will never give up this battle. By the will of the Ancient, I shall succeed!" - Shuten (Anubis) from the Ronin Warriors.

permalink · 2003-10-09 22:32:28 ·

subcultured Premium join:2001-08-21 Jamaica Plain, MA	iTunes, while nice, doesn't have nearly the same type of music that EMusic carries. i don't care much for the mainstream music available on iTunes, et al. so, i'm back again to copying CDs from my friends to try out new music. 'tis a shame.
	permalink · 2003-10-09 22:32:45 ·

achuchma

join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL

Amazing...

It amazes me how a lot of people for P2P on this site beat their chest screaming about how music is too expensive and that a pricing model of about $0.25/song would be fine with them.

Now, you have the $0.25/song pricing model (on the cheapest plan, $0.16 on the expensive plan) and most of the same people are complaining how they refuse to pay a measly $0.25/song.

While I think eMusic can have better plans, they are giving the P2P community exactly what they have been asking for, and because of that, the P2P community wants to leave the service.

Folks, you can not have it both ways. The price is still very reasonable, which is what everyone was asking for...put your money where your mouth is...unless you were just justifying your stealing with some lame excuse.
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permalink · 2003-10-09 22:42:13 · Print ·

PolarBearWY

join:2002-02-20
Laramie, WY

Re: Amazing...

The issue isn't just the price. The issue is also quality. There are already too many BECKs out there... too many BRITTANY SPEARS... too many WHITNEY HOUSTONs... I wouldn't pay a penny for 99.99% of what's out there. 95% of the "artists" protected under the RIAA wouldn't cut it if they were born 20 years earlier, before computers and digital processors can bend their voice and cut a record that plays them in key. I bet half the "artists" have never even sang in key for a full song in their life.

Why do they call them artists anyway? I went to dictionary.com to look up the word artist. There were four meanings.

1. one... able by virtue of imagination and talent or skill to create works of aesthetic value, especially in the fine arts.

This doesn't fit most singers. They don't write their own songs, they can't come up with their own choreography, and we wouldn't have even heard of them if it wasn't for their managers. Where's the imagination and talent?

2. A person whose work shows exceptional creative ability or skill.

Please refer to my response after #1.

3. One, such as an actor or singer, who works in the performing arts.

Sad that artist is synonymous with singer. If I sing in the shower, I would dare someone to call me an artist.

4. One who is adept at an activity, especially one involving trickery or deceit.

Ah! I guess everyone in the record industry is an artist, since they can cut an album expecting us to buy a CD filled with crap.

I know this isn't an argument about why "subscribers" to eMusic would already complain. Really, it doesn't make sense. These people say they have been subscribers for two years because they want to support the artists and that they don't download that much, so what's the big deal? It's silly. During my trial, I averaged about 200+ K/s downloading. I could have downloaded the pseudo limit of 3000 songs in about 30 hours. That's 250 albums -- 250 full CDs that I could have downloaded in just more than one day, using up only one month's cap. Why would I want to subscribe for 2 years? Have you not already got everything on the site that you want?

permalink · 2003-10-10 00:54:14 · Print ·

TexasGuy 49 States And Texas Premium join:2002-12-02 Houston, TX	E-Music doesn't have what I want I visited their site, looked for my fav groups. Was unable to find them. What a joke. -- Who drank has died, who drinks will die. Is he immortal who is sober?
	permalink · 2003-10-09 23:05:20 ·

Rigeltiger join:2001-05-03 Leesburg, VA	Re: E-Music doesn't have what I want Bingo. Online pay music sites simply don't have the content I want, either. It's not a question of cost, it's a question of their content. I want song A, B, and C by artist X, Y, and Z including all the remixes. Don't have it? No sale.
	permalink · 2003-10-09 23:40:55 ·

pianotech Pianotech Premium join:2002-12-30 New Castle, PA	said by TexasGuy : I visited their site, looked for my fav groups. Was unable to find them. What a joke. The typical Emusic subscriber was there to discover music they had never heard, and bands they'd never heard of...not to hear what they were already familiar with. -- Independent Composer & Pianist.
	permalink · 2003-10-09 23:43:59 · Print ·

TexasGuy
49 States And Texas
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Re: E-Music doesn't have what I want

said by pianotech :

said by TexasGuy :
I visited their site, looked for my fav groups. Was unable to find them. What a joke.

The typical Emusic subscriber was there to discover music they had never heard, and bands they'd never heard of...not to hear what they were already familiar with.

Like I'm gonna pay for something I don't know and never listened to.
--
Who drank has died, who drinks will die. Is he immortal who is sober?

permalink · 2003-10-10 00:38:17 · Print ·

dslwanter Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH Premium join:2002-12-16 Lowellville, OH	ha Ok kids, it's time to find a new napster .
	permalink · 2003-10-09 23:07:32 ·

subcultured
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said by texasgay:
I visited their site, looked for my fav groups. Was unable to find them. What a joke.

not really - this is a site for small labels. if you were into underground music, this was a dream come true. if you're looking for top 40 stuff, stick with what the RIAA wants you to buy at wallmart.

said by dslwanter :
Ok kids, it's time to find a new napster .

napster? hardly - members of EMusic pay for the music they download. and the labels are paid for putting their bands on there. i've paid about $200 since joining, and have purchased at least that much in CDs discovered there. and i'm not the only one. this is just an effort to "cash in" to the iTunes model, a model that i don't think will work with this kind of subscriber base.

permalink · 2003-10-09 23:39:47 · Print ·

pianotech Pianotech Premium join:2002-12-30 New Castle, PA	Re: ha Exactly. Band like The Decemberists, Apples In Stereo, Echo & The Bunnymen, Doleful Lions, Higher Burning Fire...all FANTASTIC stuff that you simply won't hear on the radio. Emusic is where you went to be exposed to tons of great indie music without risk. -- Independent Composer & Pianist.
	permalink · 2003-10-09 23:47:15 ·

dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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Notice I said TIME TO FIND A NEW NAPSTER and not EMUSIC IS A NAPSTER.

I asked for DSL, it came out, and now I'm too far from the
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permalink · 2003-10-09 23:58:16 · Print ·

subcultured Premium join:2001-08-21 Jamaica Plain, MA	Re: ha erm, ok - but think about the context of that comment. there have been many "new" napsters around for the past few years. i avoid them because i like to - as another poster put it - put my money where my mouth is.
	permalink · 2003-10-10 00:00:37 ·

Toymaster
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said by subcultured :
effort to "cash in" to the iTunes model, a model that i don't think will work with this kind of subscriber base.

Well, I believe the itunes model will work, it is the knock offs that will fail and miserable I might add.
I see the grim reaper hovering over Emusic...the coffin is closing...that last nail is about to be hammered in.
How are you going to change you subscription model and close the only means of voicing your opinion by closing the message boards. BAD MOVE Emusic.
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permalink · 2003-10-10 01:12:04 · Print ·

Cheddarhead Ain't Nuthin But A Thang join:2002-02-19 Hudson, WI	Ya whatever Its bastards like these that make Kazaa thrive, a bunch of greedy pricks... "LONG LIVE P2P"
	permalink · 2003-10-09 23:38:15 ·

tdkyo join:2002-12-07 Rochester, NY	Re: Ya whatever KaZaA is planning to turn into pay sites.
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