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Power, Water, Phone....bandwidth?
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As broadband over power-line trials evolve, and municipal utilities continue to enter the competitive fold, players position themselves to provide the next necessary utility. -

Many local power companies, fiber already stretching throughout their communities to monitor the grid, have turned to providing high-speed access as a way of filling the coffers.

Wienstrom, the largest Utility in Vienna, serves 2 million people and produces 10 billion kilowatts of electrical energy each year. In 1983 the utility began building a fiber telecommunications infrastructure to better monitor power consumption. By 2000, more than six-hundred and twenty miles of fiber was buried in the earth, connecting 450 Viennese city schools, and the majority of Vienna government offices.

With 1,200 to 1,800 miles worth of empty duct-work, and more than 30,000 miles claimed under city "right-of way" agreements, it was the natural course of action for the utility to begin serving area residents. In 2002, the city launched blizznet, brought in Cisco to handle the hardware for the MAN (metropolitan area network construction), and now Vienna is one of the most broadband saturated cities in the world.

An Australian broadband infrastructure company recently took bundling to the extreme. Australian utility provider ActewAGL, in conjunction with their partially owned broadband infrastructure provider TransACT, now offers a broadband bundle that also includes electricity, water and natural gas.

Smaller towns and cities across the U.S. have also pinned their hopes on fiber as the saving grace for otherwise dying communities. Looking toward these larger cities for motivation, many of them believe that if they can bring in adequate bandwidth, they'll be better positioned to engage the global market-place and improve their respective stagnant economies.

These areas aren't particularly concerned how they get the bandwidth or who provides it; but many are finding that if their power, cable or phone companies won't provide service, their best bet is to do it themselves.

18 Maryland counties, frustrated by red tape, recently formed a commission tasked with improving life in rural Maryland. The commission's number one task, before improving roads, before improving water and sewer systems, was to get fiber optic cable deployed throughout their communities.

Likewise, the real estate market is finding that home owners and business rental clients are expecting broadband connectivity, much as you'd expect running water and operational lights. According to one UK consulting firm, new clients are increasingly rejecting property rentals if there isn't adequate bandwidth. Home builders are likewise finding increased demand for pre-wired and broadband ready homes.

In some rare cases that demand with being more than adequately met. The Governors Towne Club, located in a suburb of Atlanta, is a test-community whose telecommunications infrastructure is being developed by BellSouth. Residents not only receive a networked home and a DSL connection, but BellSouth also provides the security system, close circuit television monitors, automated lighting, irrigation controls, and automated appliances.

Obviously such luxury is only for the privileged few. The reality is that fiber and DSL deployments have stalled while the telcos have waited for regulatory certainty, leaving many in the dark. With the FCC recently ruling that the telcos will not have to share future fiber networks with competitors, the telcos will be one of the major players in providing FTTH (fiber to the home)....but the end product is more than a decade away.

In the interim, municipal broadband has flourished, and when power companies aren't being approached by city leaders to offer service, they're offering it by themselves. With plenty of fiber in the ground, it's increasingly common to see power companies using that excess fiber to fill in the gaps left by the telco and cable providers. With BPL (Broadband via power line) trials moving full speed ahead (despite interference concerns), these companies may soon have another delivery method available.

Connectivity gaps are still all too common. In areas where bandwidth is deployed, upstream bandwidth is usually feeble, and connection reliability issues remain. Still, the stage is being set for the eventual day when residents are no more surprised by available bandwidth than they are by turning on their water faucet and receiving....of all things....water.

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ArchAngel21x
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Right On

said by article:
The commission's number one task, before improving roads, before improving water and sewer systems, was to get fiber optic cable deployed throughout their communities.
Now they have their priorities straight!
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joebear29

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Alabaster, AL

Re: Right On

said by ArchAngel21x See Profile:
said by article:
The commission's number one task, before improving roads, before improving water and sewer systems, was to get fiber optic cable deployed throughout their communities.
Now they have their priorities straight!

What's a little lead in the drinking water compared to 10/10 connection speed?

ArchAngel21x
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Re: Right On

said by joebear29 See Profile:
said by ArchAngel21x See Profile:
said by article:
The commission's number one task, before improving roads, before improving water and sewer systems, was to get fiber optic cable deployed throughout their communities.
Now they have their priorities straight!

What's a little lead in the drinking water compared to 10/10 connection speed?
Yeah. That's what the Brita water filter is for. If that doesn't cut it, get a distiller.
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superht1

join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA
10/10 is still too slow
WE NEED 100/100 or 1000/1000.
btw, I am not asking for too much.

Speedy8
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Re: Right On

Heh, synchronous upload speeds would be a start, we don't even have that yet in most places, at decent speeds anyway. I have 6000 down and only 384 up.
SBC ST

join:2003-08-05
Strongsville, OH

Re: Right On

I have been approved for 1.5 M up and down. I want it SOOOO bad. But its 289 bucks a month. OUCH!

BBC4544

join:2002-03-12
Saint Peters, MO

chk your speeds they should be changing soon. you should get 608 up
[text was edited by author 2003-09-04 13:30:23]
hillman77

join:2003-09-07
New Martinsville, WV

said by Speedy8 See Profile:
Heh, synchronous upload speeds would be a start, we don't even have that yet in most places, at decent speeds anyway. I have 6000 down and only 384 up.
Only 384 up? The highest we've seen up on our satellite so far was 30!

zoom314
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Yermo, CA

Well I'm not worrying about water, But then Hesperia California came in Third place last Year in an International Water Tasting Contest, Canada was 1st, (I don't know Who was in 2nd place, It wasn't the USA) Hesperia was the Highest Rated from the USA of Course, So We have very good water. And Land Prices aren't too bad either.
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Maxo
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Hey, broadband is what's important to me. I don't mind a little sludge leaking into the ground through the cracked streets. Damn liberals will probably raise a stink but they're wacko's anyhow.
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garagerock
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Re: Right On

said by Maxo See Profile:
Hey, broadband is what's important to me. I don't mind a little sludge leaking into the ground through the cracked streets. Damn liberals will probably raise a stink but they're wacko's anyhow.

Hey, so long as that sludge ain't raw sewage, lead, PCB's, dioxins, mercury...oh wait, only conservatives have good drinking water AND broadband...(sigh)

bluesun

join:2003-08-14
Hughson, CA

would you rather get fiber optics, or internet service through power lines?
[text was edited by author 2003-09-07 00:49:50]

Maxo
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I think

I think Broadband as a utility is an inevitability. I think we're still looking at least another 4 or 5 years before we start really seeing it though. People are starting to rely on the internet as a means for finding jobs, keeping in contact with clients employees and employers, and ot her general thing like saving money on purchases or purchasing hard to find or not locally available items. Dial-up isn't cutting it for the such demands. Also college kids (and even kids in middle school) are finding the internet a more and more resourceful tool in furthering their education. In the coming years this trend is certain to blossom and the demand for it will have to be met. As cable companies and telco's are currently practically giving away broadband in the hopes of creating loyal customers, I think we will see the prices shoot up once the demand hits and people are hooked. Especially if more isn't done to deploy and there's more demand than there is availability. Only time will tell.
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pnh102
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Re: I think

said by Maxo See Profile:
I think Broadband as a utility is an inevitability. I think we're still looking at least another 4 or 5 years before we start really seeing it though.
I wonder if in the same time period, landline phones will no longer be seen as a utility, with broadband having taken its place.
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Scott W
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Re: I think

said by pnh102 See Profile:

I wonder if in the same time period, landline phones will no longer be seen as a utility, with broadband having taken its place.

Broadband and cellphones could and should and hopefully will eventually.

newview
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Tri-County Council of the Eastern Shore of MD

I'm certainly glad to see my county represented in the discussions.
quote:
The counties represented by tri-county councils in Maryland are: Allegany, Garrett, Washington, Calvert, Charles, St. Mary’s, Cecil, Kent, Queen Anne’s, Caroline, Talbot, Dorchester, Wicomico, Somerset and Worcester.
»www.lowershore.org/services/telcom.html
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Re: Tri-County Council of the Eastern Shore of MD

More on the moves being made in your region:

quote:
"For almost seven years, rural Maryland has waited in vain for the implementation of the 1997 legislation to make high-speed Internet available statewide," Pipkin said. "For almost seven years rural Maryland has been ignored and excluded from enjoying the indisputable economic advantages of broadband service."
»www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?news···70&rfi=6
greywolf520
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join:2003-06-02
New Kensington, PA

Bandwith would be nice.

Now that i moved to a place were I can't get terrestial broadband - yet - and I don't have public water or sewage system but have a septic tank and a cistern for water, I rather have my little township get on the ball and either start planning to lay down fiber or get a cable company (well, they have Adelphia but there has to be a better one out there) or tell VZ to get moving in expansion because Dial up really does suck, especially after working all day on work's LAN and having DSL/cable for 2 years.

Transmaster
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What would be interesting......

I would be interesting to see what affects this utility
movement will have on spam. Local Elected officials will not like getting phone calls about this, and the local offices
in charge of the system will see how much bandwidth this is
using and costing. This may improve response to this issue.
unlike the Big IP's the locals using a municipal system will know where the operators on a local level live.

I feel the broadband issue is too important to the well being of smaller communities to leave to
TELCO's and the like. With off site work arrangements
this is a way for small communities to attract people.
Just think what this would mean instead of work dictating where you live it would be quality of life issues that would dictate. So I could be the operator at the Cheyenne, VA but live in perhaps Centennial, Wyoming close to the Snowy Range ski area, great fly fishing and one of the best steak houses this side of Arrakis.

Some of you might be curious about
the Steak House »www.oldcorral.com it has been in
business since 1872.
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[text was edited by author 2003-09-03 15:05:46]

bigdaddy17

join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL

broadband

I find city water better tasting than well water.. and I find broadband a standard that everyone deserves to have
hillman77

join:2003-09-07
New Martinsville, WV

Re: broadband

said by bigdaddy17 See Profile:
I find city water better tasting than well water.. and I find broadband a standard that everyone deserves to have
If you think city water tastes better than well water, you should try our spring water which we pump up from a holding tank.

ravital
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Merrimack, NH

Two problems

Wow, I'm not crazy after all, I'm not the only one who's been thinking that broadband should be closer to a utility than a competitive service. Now I'm really worried:)

Two main problems I see here:

1. Upgrades. What happens with "next generation" systems? Who pays and how for adding capacity? Because like many here I was on a 14.4k modem a mere 10 years ago, and there is no indication that today's "state of the art" is going to be around a very long time before the next "big improvement nobody can live without" comes along.

I mean, there's only so many ways to deliver electricity, gas, water etc. and at some point or another these systems got stable enough for enough towns to invest in them. I sure hope towns that are considering it do some creative thinking ahead.

2. Customer service - tech support and the like. What do you do when your power or water is out? Turn on a battery-powered radio and listen for announcements, pick up the phone and check, etc. But there isn't much you can do.

What happens when you can't connect? Even a nanosecond glance at the ISP forums here on BBR will tell you it's a much different story. Towns need to be able to hire the competent (or better) professionals to provide the service and support.

As an aside, most reports from municipalities that have implemented their own FTTH show subscribers paying $15 to $25 LESS than what they paid for cable/dsl, and they get phone and TV on top of that to boot. Seems to me that if the towns actually kept charging the same amount that cable/dsl providers charge, they could use that money to employ the right professionals. Speaking for myself only, I sure wouldn't mind paying my town the same amount I pay Adelphia for better performance and service from people that are located in my area and actually give a darn. Just a thought.
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bear73
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Re: Two problems

Man, you aren't the only one who's been thinking that. As far as usage, integration and what the Feds have been preaching for teh past few years in their war on terrorism pep rallies, it already is. It just hasn't been stated/accepted by the FCC and other regulatory agencies. Because then, how do you do it without putting out of buisness all the current providers? I don't think that you can. And noone in the govt. want's to be labeled as "one of them that killed 10,000 jobs".
Also, in the telecom and electricity beginning, it was a provate company that was granted a monopoly in return for being told how much profit he could make. In the beginning.
As for the concern for what to roll out, you can only go with what you have that's best at the time. After all, many of our utilities and networks are in MAJOR need for a rebuild. At this point it looks like ftth is what should be rolled out. Even if it's just the fiber that the town owns and leases out to the content providers.
OR the govt just hands out grants and says "Go and be fruitful! But you must have it done in a tenday and you may not make more than x% profit per y". I think it's this last item that THEY are looking to do.
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maartena
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Bandwidth pricing also the same as utilities?

Fiber to the home is one thing. But if you want to consider broadband a "utility" should it also be priced as a utility?

Water: you pay for how much you use.
Power: you pay for how much you use.
Gas: you pay for how much you use.
Phone: you pay for how much time you call long-distance.

Bandwidth: Should it be priced per TIME? or per DATA usage?

I betcha everyone wants the FTTH, but not the utility pricing
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ZeKs0

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Huntington Park, CA

Re: Bandwidth pricing also the same as utilities?

said by maartena See Profile:
Fiber to the home is one thing. But if you want to consider broadband a "utility" should it also be priced as a utility?

Water: you pay for how much you use.
Power: you pay for how much you use.
Gas: you pay for how much you use.
Phone: you pay for how much time you call long-distance.

Bandwidth: Should it be priced per TIME? or per DATA usage?

I betcha everyone wants the FTTH, but not the utility pricing

Good point.

dvd536
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Re: Bandwidth pricing also the same as utilities?

said by ZeKs0 See Profile:
said by maartena See Profile:
Fiber to the home is one thing. But if you want to consider broadband a "utility" should it also be priced as a utility?

Water: you pay for how much you use.
Power: you pay for how much you use.
Gas: you pay for how much you use.
Phone: you pay for how much time you call long-distance.

Bandwidth: Should it be priced per TIME? or per DATA usage?

I betcha everyone wants the FTTH, but not the utility pricing

Good point.
Sure if 30 gigs or so on the metered plan comes out to around $35-50/mo. but when was the last time anything on your utility bill was 35-50?
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stridr69

join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA

Re: Bandwidth pricing also the same as utilities?

Hehehe...my monthly utility bills around $30, year 'round, so I don't worry about that too much.
Bandwidth caps, however, is another kettle of fish. Since I usually listen to internet audio on an average of 4 hours a day,(@16Kbs), this alone can average up to 15 Gigs a month alone. Sorry, Bandwidth caps isn't the future of Broadband-espically if streaming movies or on-demand video comes into play down the road..and we all know it's comming...

sherpaboy

join:2001-07-06
Seattle, WA

Re: Bandwidth pricing also the same as utilities?

In other words, you want somebody else to chip in for your
usage.


PaulHikeS2

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Merrimack, NH
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said by maartena See Profile:
Fiber to the home is one thing. But if you want to consider broadband a "utility" should it also be priced as a utility?


Absolutely!

Those who want to use it as an entertainment service (streaming video, gaming, movies, etc...) should expect to pay as such.
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dgod

join:2003-02-11
Erie, PA

Need, crave, want!

Yes it's an addiction, and another reason i dont like or move to the country, whens the last time u saw a farmer with a 2/2 SDSL connection

Dumpty Humpty

@osd.concentri

Doomsday is coming you guys, watch out!

All of you who want your Telco monopolies raise your hand.

If any of you actually raised your hand, then those people get shipped off to a community where they have BPL.

All the lucky people at that community will get to have only one company to provide everything, including poor service, federal b.s. taxes, and prices that have not made it cost any less for the utilities.

We need to do away with these monopolies. Not that they are doing a bad job, but because the prices are unpredictable and they are high.

Are we ever going to see an end to the monopolies like Bellsouth? No. Why? Because everytime some technology comes along that threatens them, they start selling it also. Such as internet, cable tv, cellular, and now broadband. And I'd be willing to bet Bellsouth will also sell VoIP service once the $h!t really hits the fan in the long distance industry. There is no relief in sight.

Developing all this new infrastructure is going to cost a fortune. Who do you think is going to pay for that? And you think you're going to get unlimited local and long distance, cable tv, sdsl, water, and power all for $19.95 flat rate? NO!, it's going to cost equal to or more than what we are all currently paying.

And Broadband over power lines will cause a lot of interference to things like radios. I vote no.

AND I'M STILL WAITING TO DOWNLOAD ANY MOVIE EVER MADE, AT ANY TIME (Qwest commercials)
pjgordon

join:2001-04-16
Merrimac, MA

error in article

"Wienstrom, the largest Utility in Vienna, serves 2 million people and produces 10 billion kilowatts of electrical energy each year."

A watt is a measure of power, not energy.

dinkydoo

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