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| Re: How many other search engines This is the exact same position Google was in when the Scientologists used the DMCA to make them de-list »www.xenu.net from "scientology" searches. They really have no choice but to pull the listings (and frankly showing the letter for the sites complete with URL's until a court determines the outcome isn't such a bad compromise).
BTW, xenu.net is once again the 2nd result returned with a search for Scientology now that they won that suit.
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| Re: How many other search engines why does google have to comply since they arent serving up the files they arent part of it, sherman has to go after the people who made kazaa lite. but whats the big deal with someone stripping the spyware, adware, etc i mean that stuff should be more illegal then downloading movies and music.
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clubs: | Re: What goes around, will come around Kazaa lite is great? K-lite is only a small fraction(like 1 millionth) better the Kazaa.Fake files,viruses,corrupt files and RIAA planted files.Use at your own risk.They both suck. | |
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| Because they don't care about what people do with the software... they just want to get their spyware/adware in there, because that's how they make THEIR money.
If I did P2P, I -certainly- wouldn't use any flavor of Kazaa to do it.
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| Re: What goes around, will come around said by Marilla  :
If I did P2P, I -certainly- wouldn't use any flavor of Kazaa to do it.
If you don't use it, how you can you say it is not good?
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| Re: What goes around, will come around said by kapil :
Do you have to do drugs to know they are bad for you....or jump off the cliff to know that it will be your last jump?
Man - lighten up. This isn't Philosophy 101. We're talking about free computer software, not shooting heroin and jumping off a cliff.
Do you like a food you've never tried? If you don't, how do you know you don't like it? Because someone told you? What if someone else told you it was good?
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
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| This kind of reminds me of the porno outfit in San Francisco
using the DCMA to sue people down loading their smut. Imagine copyrighted hooters and Hines. Well at least they wouldn't have to use fancy sniffing software to track this stuff. I get the idea KAZAA is trying to make as much money as they can before they go the way of NAPTSTER.
Talk about a den of thief's.
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| Re: What goes around, will come around ""After all, many of the products they sell have no purpose other than to end human life.""
- Actually a great many of their products are designed and used to end animal life, not human life. Most non-hunting guns sold actually do not end ANY life, and are rather held by collectors who dont fire them or laypersons who only use them at the targeting range. The only people ending human life with firearms are police (who are justified in using lethal force in virtually every case) or criminals. Criminal murder accounts for an insignificant fraction of the number of rounds fired from legally obtained fired every year.
- I, personally, am in favor of strict gun control laws for urban areas (and no I don't belong to the NRA), but let us not make foolishly outlandish statements to push our respective views in this public forum, because such statements only undermine the credibility of whoever writes/types/says them.
- As for purposes that firearms have beyond "end human life", there's hunting and target shooting, as well as many others.
- All banning guns would accomplish is to force people to kill one another with axes/swords/spears/etc. Plenty of murder went on before guns were invented, and a great deal of murder occurs even today without any gun being involved. | |
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| Re: What goes around, will come around said by JTRockville :
Oh puleeze! You expect me to believe that these are for hunting non-human animals? Or that they're collector's items? You really think that's credible?
well, obviously, some of them, like the below example, would be for self defence.....
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| Re: What goes around, will come around said by JTRockville :
Uhhhh... actually, I thought that one was for hunting rabbits.
Do you mean...wabbits?
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| said by JTRockville :
Oh puleeze! You expect me to believe that these are for hunting non-human animals? Or that they're collector's items? You really think that's credible?
What difference does it make? Have you been personally affected by the presence of these weapons? If not, then what's your point-- that some day someone might do something nasty with a weapon? The United States is built upon the principle of freedom, and sometimes freedom isn't safe. Sometimes freedom means making dangerous things available to all and punishing those who would intentionally harm others after the fact.
There is a reason that the principle of innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our legal system. Without it freedom would be substantially curtailed in this country-- something that likely none of us want to see. People simply cannot go around randomly banning things because someone might use them to harm others; that isn't logical, and it smacks of an obsessive-compulsive personality on an ego trip.
Nobody ever said that freedom was the safest course of action for a society, but plenty of people have said that it is the best course of action. If you feel so unsafe with all these weapons floating around, perhaps the best course of action for you to take is to buy one and learn to use it properly yourself.
That being said, I would be one of the first people to agree that assault weapons do not have many legitimate uses, and that there are far too many mentally unbalanced people getting their hands on firearms these days. Solving these problems, however, does not mean taking weapons away from everyone in society. The problems do not get solved by banning certain classes of weapons either.
I will conclude by telling you the following: I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a member of any organization that advocates gun ownership or believes that everyone should own/carry/use guns. So why do I support the NRA in their efforts here? Simple-- because I do believe in freedom, and one cannot advocate freedom in bits and pieces. The Bill of Rights is not an ala carte menu at an expensive restaurant, and anyone who believes it is and advocates "freedom" is nothing but a hypocrite.
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| Re: What goes around, will come around said by NOVA_Guy :
...assault weapons do not have many legitimate uses, and that there are far too many mentally unbalanced people getting their hands on firearms these days.
Which does point out a bad problem with the mental health care in our country, rather than a problem with guns IMO. | |
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| said by NOVA_Guy :
What difference does it make? Have you been personally affected by the presence of these weapons? If not, then what's your point-- that some day someone might do something nasty with a weapon? The United States is built upon the principle of freedom, and sometimes freedom isn't safe. Sometimes freedom means making dangerous things available to all and punishing those who would intentionally harm others after the fact.
I think you missed my point.
My point is: manufacturers don't give up all their constitutional rights, just because they produce something that can be used for illegal purposes.
IOW: Just because KaZaA can be used as a tool to violate copyright laws, doesn't mean they forfeit their copyright protections. said by NOVA_Guy :
I will conclude by telling you the following: I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a member of any organization that advocates gun ownership or believes that everyone should own/carry/use guns. So why do I support the NRA in their efforts here? Simple-- because I do believe in freedom, and one cannot advocate freedom in bits and pieces. The Bill of Rights is not an ala carte menu at an expensive restaurant, and anyone who believes it is and advocates "freedom" is nothing but a hypocrite.
As far as I can tell, we're advocating the same thing, but you seem to think I disagree with you. If gun manufacturers are protected, shouldn't software vendors also be protected? | |
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| If someone commits a crime with a gun, that person should be very severly punished, and lose all gun ownership rights permanently. There should be no leniency given here. I don't care if it is a first offense. Crimes of any kind committed with a gun should have 20 years tacked on to the standard sentence... and the 20 years should not be "reduceable".
However, to take away my rights because something in dangerous if put into the wrong hands makes no sense. Cars can be used as a dangerous weapon too, but we wait until they commit a crime while driving before we do anything - and driving is not a guarenteed right given in the Bill of Rights. What's the difference between a semi-automatic weapon being fired into a crowd vs a car traveling at 80mph into the same crowd?
A hunting rifle can do just as much damage as an assault weapon. This was proven in Va (very near me BTW) last year. Anyone with a scope on their hunting rifle could have done the same. Most assault weapons in circulation are kept in locked cases by collectors and rarely (if ever) fired.
I am a gun owner. Although I only own a shotgun, which I use for clay pigeon shooting, and a normal hunting rifle, I am against laws that take freedoms away from law abiding people. What do you think would happen if you ban guns? Only the criminals would have them. Do you really think criminals would not be able to get guns or even certain ones if they were banned? | |
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kapil
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clubs: | Re: What goes around, will come around They only follow the "gun control" idiots. | |
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Proud Veteran
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| I only use it for music and i have yet to find a fake file...been using it since the first Morpheus went down....to each his own.
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| Error: * please provide catchy title Ironic that in the referred letter, you can find the web address of said "violators" even though Google themselves had to remove it. 
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IAmTheEvilest
There Is Nothing Like A Restart
join:2001-01-03
Santa Barbara, CA
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| Irony... Ironically, using the exact search phrase "Kazaa Lite" will find you:
Kazaa Lite K++ Official Website
Kazaa Lite K++ is a FREE, clean and highly improved version of Kazaa.
K-Lite Codec Pack for playing all your downloaded movies.
www.kazaalitekpp.com/ - 2k - Cached - Similar pages
And a download site...
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superht1
join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA
| Re: Irony... One of the worse sharing apps.
Kazaa sucks, used it only a few times.
Not worth my time.
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"In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 9 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results."
So Google only removed what they had to. | |
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Kill The Socialists
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| . of course the only reason sharman is doing this is cause they are releasing a pay version of kazaa that still isn't comparable to kazaa lite ++
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| Kazaa Plus Sharmen Networks is most likely doing this because it was announced just last week that they are coming out with a premium version of Kazaa called 'Kazaa Plus'. Why would I pay for Kazaa plus with no ads when I could just download Kazaalite?
Another question is why would they wait till now to release a paid version of Kazaa? In my opinion this would be the worst time to release a paid for version because the Fastrack network is being probed by the RIAA, there are probably more fake files than real, and you probably have a 1 in 5 chance of getting a virus instead of the file you assumed you were getting etc. etc.
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
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| Re: Kazaa Plus said by TrustedZero :
you probably have a 1 in 5 chance of getting a virus instead of the file you assumed you were getting etc. etc.
[text was edited by author 2003-09-01 18:19:07]
I quit using KAZAA when I started running into kiddie porn
mislabeled as big band music. This stuff was the kind that
even having it on your hard drive might land you in jail. It was apparent these scumbags where hiding these files and telling each other where they were. I used a shredder to purge my hard drive of these files, I was not a happy camper.
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| Same old story... Napster did the same thing when the Offspring decided to sell hats, t-shirts, and other such items with the Napster logo. It was really hilarious reading about Napster whining about copyright and trademark infringement when that was the basis of their whole business.
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Who, Me?
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clubs: | Re: Ironicly.... And i'm sure they would all just "Cease and Desist" too. Half of the sites are hosted / run overseas. Not much the RIAA can do about that.
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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join:2002-10-01
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ST215W
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vic102482
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| If the RIAA wants to strike back at Sherman All they have to say is they will sue all people using standard kazaa. Thats what Id do, or atleast let it hit the rumor mill, and make sure that 95% of people caught are really using standard kazaa (if program discrimination is illegal).
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| Re: If the RIAA wants to strike back at Sherman said by vic102482 :
All they have to say is they will sue all people using standard kazaa. Thats what Id do, or atleast let it hit the rumor mill, and make sure that 95% of people caught are really using standard kazaa (if program discrimination is illegal).
If you remember the ruling from a few months ago it is not illegal to use filesharing applications. What would they sue the people for? | |
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but im irked bigtime that google caved. lets get even more nitty gritty..if sharman jumps thru legal hoops to avoid the RIAA, yet tries to put kazaa lite out of commission somehow, i can understand all the biting and scratching
but theyre not going after kazaa lite in this case, theyre going after google, who doesnt produce the program or provide any webservices that host it. in other words, google is doing EXACTLY what sharman does, just providing search services.the parallels go far beyond simply rendering copyright laws moot and then seeking their protection. if what google is doing is violating anyones copyrights, then sharman eliminated today. the legal precedent is bad for us but may ultimately do sharman in themselves | |
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DMCA | |
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| Err, huh? When Scientology fanatics mailed Google with the same injunction, demanding they "remove all anti-Scientology pages listed in the injunction" from their search engine, Google ignored the request.
This therefore really irks me. Conditional favours... ugh.
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too big to fail
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| Sue Sharman How about I sue to delist Sharman's original spyware filled Kazaa from Google for putting a bunch of crap on my computer and force them to get rid of the spyware? "The Kazaa Network is brought to you by... Sharman and it's database of over a million users' info worth thousands a piece.."
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My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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| Time for Fasttrack to go the way of Napster This is just an attempt at misusing the DMCA to commit an
act of censorship (pagewaxing as cexx.org calls it). The
greedy bast*rds at Sharman are trying anything to profit
from this. Slyck.com also received a similar C&D notice
from Sharman, and while they removed the actual links,
the urls are still visible in the article as plain text.
Furthermore, Sharman didn't provide any proof that the
pages were guilty of copyright infringement - this is just
a scare tactic on Sharman's part. The Slyck article is at: »www.slyck.com/news.php?story=227 ). Also, Google
did not knuckle under to Sharman - they didn't remove any
of the paid search results, and linked the removed ones to
Chillingeffects.org. Again, this is merely censorship on
Sharman's part, and a gross misuse of the DMCA.
Perhaps a boycott (as suggested by Slyck.com users who
posted in response to this story) of the entire Fasttrack
network is in order. That means no Kazaa, Kazaa-Lite++,
IMesh, or Grokster. Given all the other problems (RIAA bots
and spies, virii, worms and trojans, and fake files)
associated with the network, it is time to make it go the
way of Napster. And this latest money grubbing ploy by
Sharman ought to be yet another nail in the networks
coffin.
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| Something stinks... Given that all the information they (Kazaa Representative(s)) provided google is Public Access records, it seems that it was pointless for them to even try to ask them to remove the information then link to the allegedly "infringing" url's.
Just another fart in the wind, in my opinion.
"HONEY", "GO GRAB ME ANOTHER THE GLADE PLUG-IN, PLEASE"...
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mrchris
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| Re: Weeee Yes, the RIAA are pussies. They go after small-timers but not big guys like Yahoo, Microsoft, etc.
You hear me RIAA? You are pussies! That's right! You don't have the balls to go after the big boys do you?
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Tmd
join:2003-08-29
Milton, FL | Re: Weeee This has nothing to do with the RIAA.
Genius.
This is Sharman showing themselves to be huge hypocrites. | |
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@attbi.com
| Re: Weeee I would think Google is protected in the same way your internet provider (and/or phone company and/or cable company) is. They don't serve or host anything, they just provide a connection to it, what users do with that connection it is their own business and liability.
I mean if I use my cable modem to download kiddie porn, they can't go arrest the cable company. | |
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Tmd
join:2003-08-29
Milton, FL | Re: Weeee I kinda wish Google had fought them, as Sharman would have to argue that they do business in America to win, which would have been just the break the RIAA would need.
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Google Bends to DMCA
Perhaps it's a Good Strategy
