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join:2001-07-23
Whitmore, CA
clubs: | Right "Im not gonna hit you, I'm not gonna hit you, like hell I'm not!"- John Wayne | |
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join:2001-04-19
Eastlake, OH
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Unregistered.
client.comcast.net
Re: Right
Sounds like politics to me. Hmm now music is going to be controlled by politicians? what's next?
our music is not controlled by politicians,
WAKE THE FUCK UP MAN, OUR POLITICIANS ARE CONTROLLED BY THE MEDIA GIANTS ALREADY,...........along with any other large companies with shitloads of cash | |
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RIAACRIMINALS
@mia-ftl.ne
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So when will we be getting some compensation for our customer acquisition costs of this customer from the RIAA????
I won't debate the fact that this guy was giving away some crappy song (who cares), but the company did nothing wrong in this, we lost reoccurring revenue as well as the money we invested advertising to get this customer.
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join:2001-01-22
Tallahassee, FL
| Do they have the right to tell you to revoke the customers service? I thought you only had to reveal the users identity? Surely you should be able to keep the customer if you so choose.
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join:2003-05-24
River Grove, IL
| Re: Right What i'd really like to know is how alot of these broadband companies are going to survive after this is all said in done.
If by chance file sharing is basically banned, then wtf is the purpose of broadband.... Gaming? Shit, i play quake n all, but its not worth 60 bucks a month. Don't share or dl music all the often either.
If/when people start canceling their broadband accts because there is now no use for them, then the shit's going to hit the fan. Watch how fast, comcast and all the other provider's get behind the consumer if this ever happens. | |
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
| Five songs means nothing quote:
Yet analysis of the RIAA's recent flood of hundreds of subpoenas indicates that some users were singled out for sharing as few as five songs via file-trading networks. In her letter Sherman refuses to quantify what the criteria for being singled out is, and Coleman apparently remains concerned that the industry is "over-reaching".
The five songs listed in the subpoena are considered a representative sample of the songs available. I see no reason to believe the RIAA is really going after those who share so little, especially after they told a U.S. Senator otherwise. Decry politicians all you want, but it is not advisable to publicly lie to a Senator.
I'm sure the court appreciated the fact every subpoena request did not include a ten-thousand long song list of every song that particular user was sharing, so it makes sense why some requests had few songs listed. | |
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whiteshp
join:2002-03-05
Xenia, OH
| Re: Five songs means nothing You can't prosecute on assumptions. EVERYTHING charged must be fully documented and anything assumed has to be counted as hearsay by the court.
In my opinion this is how things will play out. With penalties so high even if they RIAA gets money 1 out of 20 from peons with 1-3 songs it’s still quite a bit of money in the bank. Furthermore from there perspective the only weapon they have left to control the music is fear of retribution. I would guess they will right now punch the public hard in the gut to initially make a example of them. They will then back off to soft talk the politicians into feeling the RIAA is listening to politician’s concerns on being too harsh against the public. After that political pressure is averted by showmanship they will apply pressure in a more controlled and long term cost effective method to keep alive their example. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL | Re: Five songs means nothing You are confusing evidence required in court with evidence required in the subpoena request. There is no requirement they list every song they want to sue over in the subpoena request. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| said by whiteshp  :
In my opinion this is how things will play out. With penalties so high even if they RIAA gets money 1 out of 20 from peons with 1-3 songs it’s still quite a bit of money in the bank.
They aren't expecting any real money from this. It's part of the tactic to curb trading, as you mentioned later. They might not be going for small time song traders because of the bother, but I think there's more to it. Copyright law states in order for their to be an infringement violation there has to be evidence of considerable loss in the market made by the infringing person. I'm guessing people are finally getting wise to the RIAA's rampant coloring of copyright law and are letting them know it. Now the RIAA has a back pedal a bit to avoid an incident.
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join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
| Re: Five songs means nothing said by SRFireside :
They aren't expecting any real money from this. It's part of the tactic to curb trading, as you mentioned later. They might not be going for small time song traders because of the bother, but I think there's more to it. Copyright law states in order for their to be an infringement violation there has to be evidence of considerable loss in the market made by the infringing person. I'm guessing people are finally getting wise to the RIAA's rampant coloring of copyright law and are letting them know it. Now the RIAA has a back pedal a bit to avoid an incident.
The DMCA specifies penalties independent of actual damages, so the RIAA need not prove any damages. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Re: Five songs means nothing said by joebear29 :
The DMCA specifies penalties independent of actual damages, so the RIAA need not prove any damages.
The DMCA doesn't apply to copyright law though. The RIAA might be using parts of the DMCA to go around proper legal channels, but when it comes right down to it copyright law (and maybe the NET Act) will be what the courts will base any decision on.
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join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
| Re: Five songs means nothing said by SRFireside :
said by joebear29 :
The DMCA specifies penalties independent of actual damages, so the RIAA need not prove any damages.
The DMCA doesn't apply to copyright law though. The RIAA might be using parts of the DMCA to go around proper legal channels, but when it comes right down to it copyright law (and maybe the NET Act) will be what the courts will base any decision on.
Now, any the illegal sharing of files over P2P falls directly under the DMCA. That is why there are statutory penalties ($750-$150,000 a song) that have nothing to do with actual damages. | |
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ghostpainter
I Write for the Apocalypse
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-25
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
clubs:
| Senator Coleman said on Tech TV that he intends to hold hearings about RIAA and how they are manhandling the copyright laws...He is not the only one...Senator MaCain is another who feels things have gotten way out of hand...Just because some congressmen have been bought by RIAA already, doesnt mean they all have...Yet.... | |
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | Re: Five songs means nothing Like they say "for everything else there's master card" | |
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Part Of The Problem
join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
clubs:
| said by whiteshp :
In my opinion this is how things will play out. With penalties so high even if they RIAA gets money 1 out of 20 from peons with 1-3 songs it's still quite a bit of money in the bank.
I don't think that they are trying to get money from users. I think they are trying to destroy the network effect that several million users online have created. They don't care destroying a single user so much as destroying Kazaa.
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Scott W
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Beaverton, OR
| said by joebear29 :
I see no reason to believe the RIAA is really going after those who share so little, especially after they told a U.S. Senator otherwise. Decry politicians all you want, but it is not advisable to publicly lie to a Senator.
And yet it happens regularly, from those both within and outside of government.
They may or may not be lying, but the fact that they told a Senator something is no indication of fact either way. | |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
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| Actually the RIAA stated when this all started that they will go after people that have traded as few as five songs.
Take a look at the history of this and you will see.
Yes, it is true the Courts were shown a small sampling but they aren't telling the whole truth and that will eventually come out. | |
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Poopsmith
That's Mr. Smith To You.
join:2003-03-12
Boulder, CO
| said by joebear29 :
The five songs listed in the subpoena are considered a representative sample of the songs available.
I agree with you on this. Go into Kazaa, look up some random mp3, then check "Find More From Same User". I have yet to find someone is only sharing 5 or less songs. If you're sharing, it tends to be at least 10+.
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Plasticman
Will Work For Bandwidth
Premium
join:2002-09-06
Harrisville, RI
clubs: | Yeah Right And if you beleive the RIAA says they are not targeting small time traders. Give me a call I want to sell you some Prime Real Estate in Florida  | |
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DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
clubs: | RIAA is gone The RIAA's attempt to uninvent filesharing does not seem to be working. | |
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james1969jw
join:2002-01-12
Indianapolis, IN
| Take something away and the law brakers will come I do not file trade. But the funny thing is With what the RIAA is doing is making me want to do some file trading.
Must be the rebel in me.
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Topmounter
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Evergreen, CO | Re: Take something away and the law brakers will come The message I get from this news story:
Small Scale File Trading is now "A-OK"! | |
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Speedy8
Premium
join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs: | Re: Take something away and the law brakers will come Well, it's the same with most types of crime, like with any form of software piracy. Large companies aren't going to go after your casual person who grabs a copy of winxp for themselves, they go after the large groups distributing the files. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Sharing music shouldn't be illegal considering no money is changing hands. Granted the people who abuse the whole file trading philosophy make it look bad, but we are talking about music here. It's an art form. It should proliferate without the constraints of a corporate iron fist.
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superht1
join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA
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| Re: Take something away and the law brakers will come said by SRFireside :
Sharing music shouldn't be illegal considering no money is changing hands. Granted the people who abuse the whole file trading philosophy make it look bad, but we are talking about music here. It's an art form. It should proliferate without the constraints of a corporate iron fist.
Its not about us making money or not, its about them making more profit. Get your logic in order. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Re: Take something away and the law brakers will come My logic is perfectly in order. Copyright law was intended to make sure artists don't get exploited. That means when someone makes money off of their work they get a share of the profits. That's copyright law in a nutshell. The record industry might have skewed the law so much to where they can take more and more money from sources unheard of when the law was made, but that doesn't discount its origins. The record labels making more profit should have nothing to do with copyright law. That's my point.
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Go Steelers
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-08
Greensburg, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
| Huh? The RIAA says they aren't targeting small time file traders, despite evidence to the contrary 
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join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
| Re: Huh? Yeah, that confused me as well. What evidence to the contrary is there?
Only thing I could think of is some of the subpoena request list only a few songs, but that has nothing to do with how many songs they are actually trading.
What is the evidence to the contrary? | |
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SkullBot
join:2003-05-07
Huntington Beach, CA
| RE: Five songs means nothing I see no reason to believe the RIAA is really going after those who share so little, especially after they told a U.S. Senator otherwise. Decry politicians all you want, but it is not advisable to publicly lie to a Senator.
It is also not advisable for the president of the United States to lie to the public, however it has happened.
If you think you can take the corporation's or the government at face value your just being naive.
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Wall9
Tell Me, Did You See It Too?
Premium
join:2002-06-25
Dupo, IL | Re: RE: Five songs means nothing Unreal that people still bring that up. I suppose having a different liar is ok with you?
It's about the WMD's...no wait, it's about the Iraqi people..no wait..
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purplejello
join:2001-08-23
Reno, NV
clubs: | Re: RE: Five songs means nothing Umm... I think that's what he was referring to anyways. But you sure showed him | |
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puterman34
join:2002-01-28
New Port Richey, FL | Define substantial how does the riaa define "substantial"? | |
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murdok6100
Avatar. Get It, Avatar?
join:2002-06-20
| Re: Define substantial said by puterman34 :
how does the riaa define "substantial"?
The same way the DMCA is so broad. They can make the term as broad as they need to get the job done.
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Axeon
join:2003-05-04
| Social degradation I was under the impression that music was an art form. Apparently, now it's simply a trade for making money. This is comparable to an artist painting a picture and then having someone take a picture of it and distributing it on the net.
Oh, wait, I forgot, art has yet to be corrupted by the mindless antics of capitalism and government.
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drakkkar
join:2003-02-07
Houston, TX
| Re: Social degradation said by Axeon :
Oh, wait, I forgot, art has yet to be corrupted by the mindless antics of capitalism and government.
Keep on dreaming, money has touched EVERYTING!
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hroo772
Darkness Fears Me
Premium
join:2002-04-05
Mclean, VA
clubs:
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| if only... If only the RIAA would realize that their drop in sales is not in part because of filetrading but because of the horrible music that they are putting out. Like anybody can listen to rappers over and over again using the same 10 word phrase or less to fill a 3 min song. It is pitiful.
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gilseed
join:2001-06-27
Brooklyn, NY | scumbags the RIAA admitted to price fixing. several times. and all we got were a few bucks back if we asked for it. where's THEIR punishment? lousy middlemen... | |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Re: Want music for free? Don't ISP's block netbios ports? | |
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Jeremy341
Bye
Premium
join:2000-01-06
localhost
| Re: Want music for free? said by Eat Me :
Don't ISP's block netbios ports?
Most cable ISPs do. DSL and dialup ISPs don't. | |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Catch me if you can.. I give out zips of music on some IRC network (won't say which one), try getting me you RIAA punks! | |
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DenverDialup
join:2003-06-06
Littleton, CO
clubs:
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RIAA is gathering evidence and preparing lawsuits only against individual computer users who are illegally distributing a substantial amount of copyrighted music.
Ah. Too bad they never explain exactly what they mean by "substantial." What is that? 100 files? 500 files? 1,000 files? Reminds me of Comcast's recent exploits telling a user they "exceeded their bandwidth limit" -- without ever actually saying what that limit was.
Of course, if RIAA said the limit was 500 files, I'd just share 499, which would defeat the point. Too bad...we can always hope.
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | I wonder what came with that report? A little money to shut the senator up? | |
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
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join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX | Small time traders need not worry Small time traders need not worry. We'll make it quick and painless.
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blake60
join:2003-03-05
Madill, OK
| RIAA ? I can understand there position,but I don't understand there tactics.They spend all this money going after people downloading music instead of useing that money to encode future investments.I wouldn't waste my time downloading crap like Metalica.The only songs I look for are not available on CD.Should I be sued for downloading a song that I can't buy?Just try to get George Harrison the best of dark horse on CD.I don't wanna fight I just wanna ROCK! | |
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
Premium
join:2002-03-05
·VOIPo
| Re: RIAA ? I disagree with their position and their tactics.
Overall, I'm an honest person. I don't break laws routinely. But watching the RIAA's actions over the past few years has made me want to both share and download files.
Is it their CD prices? No. Is it a desire to have the latest garbage that they wish to push on the public playing on my radio? No. Is it because downloading and/or sharing music is a "cool" thing to do? No. Is it because I want to have something for free? No.
Then why? Simple. I'm angry at the RIAA and completely disagree with their tactics. If I were to download and share, it would because of that, plain and simple. It would be because I'd want to see these lousy jerks put out of work. It would be because I'd want to hurt them in a manner that they can understand and in a manner that would be "painful" to them-- taking money out of their wallets.
File sharing and file trading, for me at least, would be all about spite, anger, and wanting to strike a blow against one of the most parasitic organizations I know of. The RIAA and MPAA are social cancers, and I think it's time that society undergoes some chemotherapy to remove those malignant tumors. | |
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untroubled1
Redneck Dawg
Premium
join:2001-12-21
Omaha, NE | Just try to get George Harrison the best of dark horse on CD
Matter of fact I own that CD. | |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | We need a collaborative effort. Ok. So we need everyone to host 4 or 5 different songs. I think we can be diverse enough to cover most music. Everyone shares a few songs, and there are no problems!!
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