Palestinian P2PEarthstation 5 founders try their luck ( old news - 04:09PM Friday Aug 15 2003) tags: legal · Fileswapping"There aren't too many process servers that are going to be coming into the Jenin (Palestine) refugee camp, says Ras Kabir, co-founder of p2p app Earthstation5; "We'll welcome them if they do.". We first touched on Earthstation5 earlier this summer; it's one of the latest entries onto the file trading scene, laughing in the face of the RIAA's legal tactics while promoting itself to users as an anonymity protecting file trading service. That's something that's hotly debated, at least when you ask companies that track down offenders for the RIAA. Many users aren't thrilled with the program's comparatively clunky interface, but as the RIAA continues their crackdown on major p2p networks, pirates may find their choices increasingly limited. One thing's for certain, prosecuting the founders of Earthstation5 could prove to be difficult, since Palestinian copyright laws protect Palestinian works, but are less strict when it comes to foreign offerings. "We have met with the organizations on our side, met with the leadership, and we said we just want to support ourselves and support Palestinians," says Kabir in this CNET report. "Everyone thought we were nuts. But we all came to agreement. We're entitled to eat, too."
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 russotto
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Rally1
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Irvine, CA |  Re: Someone has to say it
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JewIsCool
@coxinc.com | Re: Someone has to say it All of them, no. Large portion, yes. | |
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purplejello
join:2001-08-23
Reno, NV
clubs: | Re: Someone has to say it That statement is merely incendiary and spurious. Its tantamount to saying that all Americans are gun-toting child abusers. Perhaps it's fun to say, but it's not true. | |
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join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC | Re: Someone has to say it If pirating music supports terrorist, shouldn't we legalize it? | |
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BigHap
@rr.com | Re: Someone has to say it Hey, I'll have you know I don't tote a gun. :P | |
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thedudeman
@attbi.com | now that comment was just plain stupid. when did they allow people to post with IQ'S in the single digits?, or in your case fractions. | |
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jingjong
@chcgil.ameritech | you are right,it is the Palestinian that are occuping other country since 1967!!! | |
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join:2003-10-08 | Re: Someone has to say it Well who's been occupying the region since the Jews were forcibly evicted 2000 years ago? | |
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join:2002-01-01
North Babylon, NY | Sir or madam
You are an idiot that makes idiotic statements...
Why not stick your head in a bucket of cold water, you Bush-monger | |
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titoisme
join:2003-07-13
Brooklyn, NY | said by JewIsCool:
All of them, no. Large portion, yes.
How about kicking a people out of their land and forcing them into refugee camps and ghettos...???!!! | |
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ravital
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| Re: Someone has to say it said by titoisme  :
How about kicking a people out of their land and forcing them into refugee camps and ghettos...???!!!
You have a choice: Make an effort to study and understand what you're talking about, or if you don't want to bother, write your congressman about saving whales and acid rain. | |
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sorne guy
@66.84.x.x | Re: Someone has to say it "write your congressman about saving whales and acid rain."
save the acid rain!
yeah! | |
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join:2002-09-23
Jacksonville, OR | And how about running over American girls with a bulldozer?
The leadship of has a knack for pissing just about everyone off with their unbridled greed for what's not theirs. | |
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Jubcoo
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Cleveland, OH | Re: Someone has to say it Its odd that I never hear anything about the countless American lives lost to Palestinian terrorism, yet people can't stop talking about some confused girl who jumped under a bulldozer. | |
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Duo Maxwell
What? Stop Looking At Me Like That
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI
| Re: Someone has to say it Because americans only care if they know the name(s) of who, after that they could care less, I should know I live here and have seen it happen time and time again.
We live in a very uneducated country with some very stupid leaders.
Oh and if you want to know why the arabs hate "white" countries then pick up some history books and start at the crusades and work your way up. Think † while you do that.
And just to clear up any misconceptions of my ethnicity, I'm half "white"(on my dad's side, don't feel like listing all countries so I'll say typical american mutt) an half Puerto Rican(on my mom's side, my grandparents moved state-side when she was 5).
I'm no terrorist, I'm worse, I'm educated.
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ravital
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| Re: Someone has to say it said by Duo Maxwell :
Oh and if you want to know why the arabs hate "white" countries then pick up some history books and start at the crusades and work your way up. Think † while you do that.
Wow, what powerful insights! Tell me then, Mr. Educated, why do they hate Jews so? I mean, Jews never tried to † Anybody, Jews never carried out crusades, Jews never proselytize, never coerce or even invite anyone into their faith. Matter of fact, historically, Muslims have always preferred the company of Jews to that of Christians precisely for that reason. So why all the hatred? I only ask because I'm a dumb American who elects stupid people and you're so educated.
While you're at it, maybe you could also explain this: The Soviet Union, when there was one, spent some 80 years oppressing - and often quite brutally - up to 50 million Muslims - and you've NEVER heard a single peep from Muslim leaders or Muslim countries, in fact, many of them were happy to be Soviet client-states. America, with all it's faults and all the atrocities it has committed around the world, doesn't stop sending wheat and other foodstuff to Muslim countries (not to mention 95% of the rest of the world who would be executed for saying a single word about their own leaders, but are happy to march down the streets burning American flags having had a good breakfast made up of American-grown food) - as well as contributing to their economies with all the oil we buy from them. They feel miserable? Sure they do, so would I with the leaders they have. So what do they do about it other than hate America? I've heard a Saudi Crown Prince quote from the Qur'an: "Allah smiles on those who help themselves." And that's all they can come up with? Blow up busses and crash commercial airliners into buildings in exchange for eternity with 70 virgins? loot their own hospitals and complain that there is a shortage of drugs? Steal oil and turbines from their own power plants and demand that America restore power immediately? Steal every motor from their own sewage-processing plants and complain that America is inflicting cholera on them? I'm impressed.
said by Duo Maxwell :
And just to clear up any misconceptions of my ethnicity, I'm half "white"(on my dad's side, don't feel like listing all countries so I'll say typical american mutt)
I gather then that the list of countries is longer than "don't feel like listing all countries so I'll say typical american mutt" - Impressive. More keystrokes to save yourself the trouble of typing fewer keystrokes. The wonders of education.
Sorry. Anytime an argument begins with "you're so uneducated and I'm so smart therefore I must be right" - this is what you're going to get.
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join:2003-10-08 | Well said,
If your're going to stand in front of bulldozers you run the risk of being killed
that's obvious isn't it? | |
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join:2003-10-08 | Re: Someone has to say it indeed, and if you want to talk about a people being forced from their land and into ghettos..........hello! | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
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Merrimack, NH | said by JewIsCool:
All of them, no. Large portion, yes.
And not all Jews are shysters, just large portions of them (being Jewish myself, I ought to know). | |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Israel isn't all that innocent either you know. | |
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Duo Maxwell
What? Stop Looking At Me Like That
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI
| Re: Someone has to say it You got that right, no race is above another and religion never got anybody anywhere except for war, which in my understanding goes against religious beliefs, if only your imaginary friends(god, allah, muhammad, budda and all the rest) knew what you idiots where doing in "their name" they'd b!†¢h slap you guys with lawsuits for using their name.
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Rochester, NY | Take your crap out of this forum. No one gives a $hit about it. | |
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dejavu1234
@covad.net
| >All of them, no. Large portion, yes
Agreed. Just because Jews used hotel bombings in England and France, and illegal land siezures to build their state... does not make it RIGHT. That was then and this is now. People didn't know any better back in the 1950's, but now is now and Palestinians should recognize the law of their land, even if it's a government that denies them voting rights. | |
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fooby
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| The VAST majority of Palestinians don't want to be next to Israel, they want to remove Israel. The fact is that Jordan was already created from 2/3 of the Palestinian mandate.
Most Palestinians can NOT trace their roots back 3 generations within Israel.
Had not the Romans insultingly renamed the conquered Judea "Palestine", would Arafat have led the "Judean Liberation Organization"? | |
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ravital
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| Re: Someone has to say it said by fooby:
The VAST majority of Palestinians ....., would Arafat have led the "Judean Liberation Organization"?
Had my grandmother had wheels, would she have been an 1928 DeSotto????
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Re: Someone has to say it LOVE THE POSTER!!!!!!!!!!
Today it's the Palestinians and the Jews beating the ga-geebers out of each other. Go back about 2100 years ago and it was the Greeks and the Jews beating the
ga-geeders out of east other.
There are Palestinian Family's with legal deeds to land their family had lived on for several centuries. But
a Jew came along with a book which said he was there first,
2500 years ago and booted this family out.
The Jews would love see all the Palestinian disappear
and the Palestinians would love to have the same this happen to the Jews.
Caught in all of this are the Oriental Jews who never left
the area during the Diaspora. They have lived in peace with
the Arabs for over a thousand years. They are caught between a rock and a hard place. Not trusted by either side.
Hate begets hate, killing leads to more killing, it will never end.
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Jubcoo
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Cleveland, OH
| Re: Someone has to say it What you just repeated is one of the most commmon myths about the Palestine Mandate.
First. Prior to Jewish immigration to the mandate of Palestine, the land was sparsely populated and heavily erored. Author Mark Twain even noted, when visiting the area:
"] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
Most arabs came as a result of the prosperity the Jews brought to the mandate. It was through the labor of the Jews that Palestine prospered, and Arabs were attracted to the growing economy.
There were only a few instances of Arabs being forced off their land. A great deal of Arabs left prior to the actual war, most hoping to return once Israel was defeated. Of course, this all could have been avoided had the Arabs simply accepted Partition, as that would have given them most of the mandate. | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
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Merrimack, NH
| Re: Someone has to say it said by Jubcoo :
"] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.
I had made up my mind not to talk about this because it's way off-topic, but A) Anyone who puts Palestinians on the front page of a web site about broadband and expects people to stay on topic is dreaming, and B) the inevitable result being so much disinformation, myth, and pure ignorance on ALL sides that's much too much to ask anyone to ignore.
What you're forgetting is that the country, small as it is, it remarkably diverse in landscape and climate. There is no place in the world where it can snow on a mountaintop (Jerusalem) and you can grow wantermelons in tropical weather 12 miles away and 4,000 feet down from there (Dead Sea area). So what Mark Twain saw, as much as I admire him, is not a photograph or an accurate representation, it's what HE saw. There have ALWAYS been farmers on that land, Arab muslims, Arab christians, Druze, Cercassians, you name it, and yes, Jews as well. This myth of "they made the desert bloom and it was completely an empty lunar landscape before has got to stop. And if I'm not mistaken, Mark Twain also said "I pity the man who can travel through it and say 'tis all barren."
said by Jubcoo :
Of course, this all could have been avoided had the Arabs simply accepted Partition, as that would have given them most of the mandate.
OF course, the Israelis were positively in love with the partition idea, weren't they? Bull, they rejected it too, but knew the Arabs would never accepted it, so they were smart enough to keep their mouths shut about that. | |
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join:2003-10-08 | Here here!
Perhaps people can get the notion of a past Palestinian Soveriegn state out of their heads, there has never been one. If Arafat sticks to a peace initiative for more than 5 minutes then hopefully there will be one in the future. | |
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broadbndgeek
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Graham, WA | Re: Someone has to say it according to the government whenever you don't do what they want you support terrorism.
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ghostpainter
I Write for the Apocalypse
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join:2002-05-25
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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| Re: Someone has to say it I tried Earth Station...my source was always in New Zealand....BUT!!!! I got 2 virus's while downloading a 700MB file...so i quit....But the speed....120 speed for the entire time i did get one file....2 hours 15 minutes....something that the others never approach.... | |
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Duo Maxwell
What? Stop Looking At Me Like That
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI | Who's government? If your talking about america then thats only because this is a country of greedy uneducated idiots that are totally incapable of thinking for themselves. | |
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DotDOt
@dsl.gen | I think he's joking, in reference to all the (anti-) drug ads. | |
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AthlGrond
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO | Re: Someone has to say it said by DotDOt:
I think he's joking, in reference to all the (anti-) drug ads.
Well, at least one person got it. (Not saying it's funny though...) | |
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Archivis
Your Daddy
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Earth
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| Well then I guess it has to be said that when you support the RIAA you support terrorism
Supporting the RIAA means supporting more money for rich people. Statisticly, the percentage of rich people who buy and use drugs are more of that then of middle or lower class people. Buying drugs supports the people who fund terrorism.
By using P2P applications you are doing your part to help bring terrorism to its knees.
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rideboarder
welcome to the social
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Snohomish, WA
clubs: | haha supporting terrorism when you pirate music...thats a good one! | |
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join:2001-12-03
Stratford, ON | Re: Someone has to say it about as funny as when they said you support terroism if you drive an SUV... I don't have one... but wish I did in these Canadian winters! | |
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | I was wondering how long that remark was going to take. | |
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superman00
@verizon.net | like in a movie i saw, one man terrorist is another man hero. | |
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fooby
@attbi.com
| Re: Someone has to say it You aren't sharing. You are copying.
Sharing a book means you can't read it while your friend is reading it.
No book publisher would deny libraries the right to lend books. They WOULD object strongly and reasonably if the library got into the re-publishing business.
You have the RIGHT to share. You don't have the RIGHT to copy for others. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | That's why soon our laws well be so bad that you will be considered a terrorist if you dare posses a copy of anything. Even if you own it. | |
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fancydancer
Still alive
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Springfield, IL
clubs: | Sheesh, its AMAZING how off-topic we can all get.
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join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA
| What is wrong is having the freedom to share what you want?
Are we that stupid and gullible as to believe everything the big guy say?
Screw them, they are evil.
I'm tired of being poor, i'm tired of having to pay heavy taxes to keep them stinking rich!!! | |
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join:2001-11-15
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: Israel Shoots its Own citizens I bet you're trying to imply that Israel is wrong for doing so... uhmmm these people go into war-zones. What do you expect when you walk into a war-zone, candy and cake? Sheeesh, you people are soo close minded to the Jewish side. These people are tense, they lose relatives to little fuck nuts that blow up cafes. How would you like you mother being blown to bits as she goes to dine at a nice eatery?
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Jubcoo
Premium
join:2002-09-23
Cleveland, OH | okay. if its videos you want,
May i suggest this website. www.pmw.org.il monitors Palestinian media. The palestinian media borders of Nazism. Its worth watching some of these videos. | |
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Jubcoo
Premium
join:2002-09-23
Cleveland, OH
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| I've refuted each point you presented. I fail to see how Israel can be accused of intransigence when it has never turned down negotiations. Israel deserved to be criticized, but no more than any other democratic country. Today, Israel is being criticized far more than any other country, despite showing a great deal of restraint. I would not be complaining if the Arab dictatorial regimes were criticized as often as Israel, despite their horrid abuses. I will maintain the the Arabs, through their belligerence, their refusal to negotiate, their antisemetic incitement and their exasperation of the refugee problem, have fueled the violence and have no interest in a peaceful solution, so long that Israel is in existence.
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| | | PowerBall
join:2003-08-16
Saint Cloud, WI
| Re: Someone has to say it I'll try to illustrate Israel's commitment to peace.
"Washington's commitment to enhancing terror was illustrated again in December 2001, when it vetoed a Security Council resolution calling for implementation of the Mitchell Plan and dispatch of international monitors to oversee reduction of violence, the most effective means as generally recognized but opposed by Israel and regularly blocked by Washington. The veto took place during a twenty-one day period of "calm" - a period in which only one Israeli soldier was killed, along with twenty-one Palestinians including eleven children, and in which there were sixteen Israeli incursions in to areas under Palestinian control. Ten days before the veto, the United States boycotted - and thus undermined - an international conference in Geneva that once again concluded that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the occupied territories, so that virtually everything the United States and Israel do there is a "grave breach" - a "war crime" in simple terms. The conference specifically declared the U.S-funded Israeli settlements to be illegal and condemned the practice of "willful killing, torture, unlawful deportation, willful depriving of the rights of fair and regular trial, extensive destruction and appropriation of property... carried out unlawfully and wantonly.""
That's an excerpt from Noam Chomsky's excellent book "Middle East Illusions."
The record is extensive.
Here's a good article from yesterday:
»story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s···16114236
Here are some more links:
»www.palestinecampaign.org/archiv···?xid=462
»www.inq7.net/wnw/2002/aug/07/wnw_2-1.htm
»home.mindspring.com/~fontenelles···sk23.htm
»Palestinian P2P
If you don't like my sources there are plenty of others across the board. | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
Premium
join:2001-07-19
Merrimack, NH
| said by Jubcoo :
I've refuted each point you presented.
I believe you meant me, not russotto. And you have refuted nothing. You have gone into "lecture mode" about 242 etc. without seeing the larger picture. you have bombarded with links that I don't intend to follow. I don't need Google or anyone else to tell me the facts about where I grew up. said by Jubcoo :
I fail to see how Israel can be accused of intransigence when it has never turned down negotiations.
I know where you failure is, you don't have to tell me. What Israel has done is step on someone else's foot with all its might, and when that someone had the nerve to defend himself, turned around to the world and said "See? see what terrorism I have to put up with???" Syrians shell Israeli civilian population centers, and the Israelis call it an act of war. A Palestinian 14-year-old tosses a rock at a fully armed and uniformed soldier and it's called an act of terrorism. Go ahead and Google that one away.
No one can blame anyone for self-defense. There is absolutely no self-defense in grabbing land that belongs to other people, just because some Rabbi points at a spot on the ground and waves a Bible and says this is where Jacob had his dream of the ladder, or some such idiocy. THAT is how terrorists are born. Unless of course you believe Palestinians are genetically hard-wired for terrorism. You wouldn't be the first to come up with that one, and I'm sure Google is full of links that will demonstrate that as well, so please don't bother.
As far as Israel never refusing to negotiate: In 1971 I was there and heard the news on the radio one day. The 3rd or 4th story was a statement by King Hussein that he would welcome a meeting with the Israeli government to begin peace negotiations. The story went on to say that Prime Minister Golda Meir stated he must first recognize Israel. I'm not sure what she meant, he didn't sound like someone who wanted to negotiate with ghosts and spirits or with a country he didn't recognize. You're not going to find THAT on Google.
said by Jubcoo :
I will maintain the the Arabs, through their belligerence, their refusal to negotiate, their antisemetic incitement and their exasperation of the refugee problem, have fueled the violence and have no interest in a peaceful solution, so long that Israel is in existence.
You are correct that they have been belligerent. And antisemitic. And they have exasperated the refugee problem. Even more than that, they have absolutely no interest in solving or even alleviating it. But Israel is not innocent either. Sharon has spent the last 3 years taking exactly the kind of actions that evoke exactly the kind of Palestinian reaction he needs in order to "show the world how besieged we are" to justify his actions. Since he took office and until recently, every time there was a 24-48 hour lull in the fighting, who initiated another belligerent action? Sharon. Google that one up, if you care.
Or if you prefer, yes, the Palestinians are all evil, the Israelis all innocent, it's a simple, clear-cut, black & white question, have a nice day. | |
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Jubcoo
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Cleveland, OH
| Your sources include "palestinecampaign.org and Noam Chomsky, who is nothing but a propagandist whose claims have no bearing in fact.
Palestinian children dying is a convenient method Palestinians and their supporters use to condemn Israel. The truth is that Palestinian children are taught from a young age to kill and seek martyrdom. This is done through the Palestinian media. Thankfully, there are organizations that monitor and translate Palestinian media.
Here are some examples. (Taken from Palestinian Media Watch)
This MTV style music video calls upon children to attack Israelis with stones: “You will not be saved, Oh Zionist, from the volcano of my county’s stones” and is sung to scenes of children throwing stones and participating in frenzied “war dances”. [PA TV Mar. 2002- June 2003, repeatedly]
»www.isratv.com/video/2a.asx
Kill all the Jews - Words of Palestinian Teenager on TV:
A teenage girl calls for the killing of Jews: “We won't leave a single Jew here.” [PA TV Oct. 22, 2000]
»www.isratv.com/video/2b.asx
Here in another digusting video with a teacher discussing how she allowed children to leave the school and seek 'shahada' or martyrdom
Young Children convinced that death as Shahid is ideal:
Two 11 year olds girls articulate their personal goal to Die for Allah - Shahada, explaining that “all Palestinian children” see Shahada, because of its promised grand Afterlife, as more worthwhile than living. [June 2002]
»www.isratv.com/video/3f.asx
Arafat explains that dead Palestinian children- Shahids - are the greatest message to the world”.
[PATV Jan. 15, 2002
»www.isratv.com/video/3e.asx
Many Palestinian children are not innocents caught in the crossfire, rather front line combatants used by the Palestinians. Of course, western media doesn't pick up on the borderline nazist incitement used by the Palestinians.
More videos can be found at pmw.org.il | |
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