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Jim Slim
Kenya's Finest
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join:2002-01-12
Union, NJ | oOoOoOo god damn, aint that a bitch 
thats why i buy tickets face-to-face, lolz | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
 ·Embarq
| Poop I say if you purchase something online or over the phone NEVER give out your real personal e-mail address. Give out your secondary one made specificaly to keep your real one from being spammed. I then say tell Ticket Master to kiss your ass. Not because of this but in general tell them to kiss your ass.
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|  | buddasahn
join:2000-11-27
Akron, OH | Agreed: one word solves this problem...HOTMAIL Simply use a web-based mail account like hotmail. If they want phone information...I'll simply put the number for "time" information! lol Has worked for me so far! | |
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Macbot3000
join:2001-04-11
Clive, IA | ADMIT ALL The illustration should be changed to "ADMIT ALL"...to your email address, that is. | |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Which is why... I use an anon@.... address from my domain any time I have to provide an address to contact me with. I never use my real account name.
Par for the course with TicketBastard. It's always one thing or another with them...always has been.
K.
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Blasterbator
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Jackson, MS | TICKET MASTER IS EEEEVIL !!!! as if you didn't already know... | |
| | jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL | Re: TICKET MASTER IS EEEEVIL !!!! That is backed 100% by the MPAA so they are basically untouchable | |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| WTF? quote:
"We cannot offer you a separate opportunity to opt-out, or not to consent, to our sharing of your personal information with them"
So, basically they're saying f*ck you, and the hell with your privacy.
Niiiiiiiiiice.
Guess I'll add them to the laundry list of companies I won't do business with anymore.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
 ·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| Re: WTF? said by garagerock  :
So, basically they're saying f*ck you, and the hell with your privacy.
Niiiiiiiiiice.
Guess I'll add them to the laundry list of companies I won't do business with anymore.
They are also saying. "We are the Monopoly. Our way, or the Highway...."
When the people have no legal recourse left, the only choice is illegal recourse. History always repeats.
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Smokey
I killed the Wabbit
Premium
join:2003-05-20
Va Beach
clubs: | one more to the list... add this to the long list of why i hate TM!!!! | |
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MsTerra
Completely Ridiculous
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Cambridge, MA
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| Re: one more to the list... Last December I bought theater tix from them for an office holiday gift for the boss. I bought the tix over the phone, and the csa asked for my email. I asked her whether this was for marketing or to get in touch with me specifically in relation to this purchase. She put me on hold for a minute, then said it was for purchase-related contact. Silly me, I believed her. I managed to stem the tide of spam, I forget how, but never again...
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Smokey
I killed the Wabbit
Premium
join:2003-05-20
Va Beach
clubs:
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| Re: one more to the list... lol, i have had some very bad experiences with TM. I had ordered a pair of tics for the Garth Brooks concert a few years back. Paid 165.40 for each tic, and extra 15 to overnight them to me, as the show was that weekend. long story short they lost them in the system, so now show for me. Next time I had them hold the Tics at the door, for a show in Vegas, I show up... No tics? Well i was a bit mad!!! And my last experience was this April when I ordered a pair of Celine Dion tics for my girlfriend. She was flying in from the U.K. to see the show, and i paid $200.00 to get the best seats possible. The tickets i get sent are the wrong ones, instead of orchestra seats, we get 1st mezzanine. I try to get them to change it and they say that there all sold out! Then why did you charge me $200 you &%*#&$^#. They say that they can get me the orchestra seats of the show 2 days away, but my girlfriend would be back in the U.K.!!
So NEVER AGAIN!!!! IF Tm is the only way to get tics, I pass on the show!
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Smokey
I killed the Wabbit
Premium
join:2003-05-20
Va Beach
clubs: | Re: one more to the list... no $#!%! | |
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SandShark
So it goes
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-23
Santa Fe, TX
clubs: | Re: one more to the list... Oops, my bad...thanks. | |
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A fool and his money
@covad.net | Fool me once...Fool me twice...Fool me three times.. Is there a pattern here maybe? | |
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join:2003-07-24
Mobile, AL | So were you out your money? Were you given a "refund"? | |
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Viggen93
Premium,VIP
join:2002-04-16
Hamilton, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| So lets see....... So lets see if I fully understand here, not only do you pay a $13 "administration charge" (or something around that price) for buying tickets from them, but they reserve the right to make even more money by selling your personal information to their "partners".
My strong dislike for their business practices just took a steep nosedive.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: So lets see....... I believe the current terminology they are using is "convenience fee". Sure must be convenient for them to charge extra money just be have the privilege of buying the ticket in the first place. | |
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CKizer
Raptus Regaliter
Premium
join:2003-01-29
Tijeras, NM | Simple Solution Just give them the following email address: legal@ticketmaster.com.
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| jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL |  3 words...
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
|  And the problem is?
"By purchasing a ticket, or completing a registration form so that you are able to access a purchase page for a ticket, to a concert, game or other event on the Site, you consent (i.e., you opt-in) to us sharing your personal information with the venues, promoters, artists, teams, leagues and other third parties associated with that concert, game or other event ("Event Partners"). We cannot offer you a separate opportunity to opt-out, or not to consent, to our sharing of your personal information with them."
They are giving your info to those that are associated with the particular event you are choosing to attend, not simply putting your info out there for anyone and everyone. Odds are the the venue and promoters require them to do this in order to sell tickets for them and incredibly enough it makes sense. Why would a company pay to sponsor an event if they can't advertise to those attending and obviously if you attend a concert odds are you would be interested in concert schedules for that venue etc.
Is it just me or does it seem like more and more headlines on this site are just people looking for something to complain about?
Disclaimer: I ain't thrilled with ticketmaster in general as their service fees are ridiculous but with this, its a no-brainer....don't want them e-mailing you, create some hotmail account and give them that. problem solved.
You folks whine about telemarketing so that will come to an end, you whine about spam and that will surely end at some point, you whine about tv ads, whine, whine , whine about advertising without realizing that its what keeps things affordable. I don't even want to know what a concert ticket would cost without Budweiser, Coke, Cingular and whoever else footing the bill. Sure advertising is an inconvenience but paying a months salary to go to a concert would be even worse. Grow up, learn about business, and deal with it. | |
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Razzed
@bhm-al.ds
| Re: And the problem is? You are not being forced to do anything. You choose to buy a ticket. By buying that ticket you agree to give your e-mail address. If you don't want to, don't buy the ticket. You are free to make the choice.
Sheesh, the last thing we need is more government regulation. If you don't like Ticketmaster, don't use them. No one is forcing you.
And no, your desire to get concert tickets does not constitute being forced to use ticket master. If you don't get the tickets, big deal, you have exercised your choice to do so, just as Ticketmaster chooses to have its (admittedly inane) e-mail policy. | |
| | | | BIGHUSKER
join:2002-01-20
Minneapolis, MN
| Re: And the problem is? quote:
If you don't get the tickets, big deal, you have exercised your choice to do so, just as Ticketmaster chooses to have its (admittedly inane) e-mail policy.
People also have the right to exercise their opinion, oh wise, anonymous brainchild. People have the right to bitch to TicketMaster about it, so save your "government regulation" diatribes for another debate, or pull another argument out of your ass. | |
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What? You Say It's Fixed. Hah
join:2001-11-29
Cyberspace | said by Razzed:
... If you don't like Ticketmaster, don't use them. No one is forcing you.
And where does one go to purchase tickets for events that are being sold only through TicketMaster? | |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| Re: And the problem is? said by systems2000 :
said by Razzed:
... If you don't like Ticketmaster, don't use them. No one is forcing you.
And where does one go to purchase tickets for events that are being sold only through TicketMaster?
hmmm, major dilemma:
abide by the policies that the company who sells tickets has or boycott them and don't buy tickets and forfeit going to that event on principle or go through a ticket broker and pay double or more the price and you won't have to delete the few measly ads they want to send you for face value tickets purchased legitimately. See you have choices, there are pros and cons to each one but none perfectly cater to your personal wants and demands. That's life, deal with it. | |
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join:2002-01-20
Minneapolis, MN | Re: And the problem is? This post is pointless, even for you, Taurus. People are bitching about ticket master for these reasons....because they have "choices" and rights. | |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| Re: And the problem is? said by BIGHUSKER :
This post is pointless, even for you, Taurus. People are bitching about ticket master for these reasons....because they have "choices" and rights.
Their only choices and rights are abide by company policy and do business with them or don't abide by company policy and don't do business with them. You can't have your cake and eat it to, that's life, learn to deal with it. | |
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borborpa
Slipping Slowly Into Oblivion
Premium
join:2002-02-20
New Cumberland, PA
clubs:
·Speakeasy
| You are being forced to disclose the information. I don't go to the store to buy milk, and expect to give out my E-Mail address and phone number to third parties just to buy milk. That's bullcrap.
Free to make the choice of NOT buying the ticket is also the stupidest thing. I'm buying a ticket for an event, plain and simple. If I want to be contacted by companies that are at the event, I will visit their booths that are typically there, and sign myself up to receive information.
Plain and simple, If they have an option for me to opt-in/out, then I can CHOOSE to do it. By saying "You have no choice", they are forcing you to do it...no matter how you look at it.
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| Re: And the problem is? said by borborpa :
Plain and simple, If they have an option for me to opt-in/out, then I can CHOOSE to do it. By saying "You have no choice", they are forcing you to do it...no matter how you look at it.
Its their policy and they have a right to establish how they will do business with you. period. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: And the problem is? The issue isn't about Ticketmaster having the right to do this. The issue is it's bad form to do what they are doing. Just about every other company that collects email information has either an opt-in or opt-out features regarding how that information is used. The fact TM is forcing the issue is just bad form. Yes it's their perogative to do so, however that doesn't excuse the fact it's a crappy thing to do.
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join:2002-01-20
Minneapolis, MN | Re: And the problem is? *YAWN* another half-assed attempt by Taurus to sound intelligent by trying to impress us with against-the-grain opinions. What a rebel... LMAO | |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| Re: And the problem is? said by BIGHUSKER :
*YAWN* another half-assed attempt by Taurus to sound intelligent by trying to impress us with against-the-grain opinions. What a rebel... LMAO
hey what can I say, half the debates that go on around here are about such trivial things, just drives me nuts. And its not my fault that you guys are always on the wrong side of the debate  | |
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MsTerra
Completely Ridiculous
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Cambridge, MA
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| Re: And the problem is? said by Taurus333 :
hey what can I say, half the debates that go on around here are about such trivial things, just drives me nuts. And its not my fault that you guys are always on the wrong side of the debate
I honestly wonder why you stick around BBR. Admittedly, some of us are charming as all heck, but as far as furthering the cause of marketing, I would think it would be more constructive for you to work within the industry to help bring more businesses up to your standards as you describe them here. It's great that you have standards, but to those of us on the other end of the phone/network/etc. it looks as though most in the industry don't.
I ordered tickets over the phone, and when I asked the TM rep what they wanted my email address for, she out-and-out LIED to me. I started getting spam from them shortly after placing the order. I believe I had to call them again to get them to stop. To their credit, they did stop, but I'll do my level best never to do business with them again. Putting that cheesy "we have to share out your email address" disclosure on the web site is bad enough, but lying to customers is just beyond the pale.
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What's really negative is such resignation toward the state of the world that one no longer feels motivated to change it or oneself in any meaningful way, but rather to condemn and censure those who are trying. (Nina Paley)
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| Re: And the problem is? said by MsTerra :
I honestly wonder why you stick around BBR.
boredom maybe LOL
said by MsTerra :
Admittedly, some of us are charming as all heck,
ummm, gonna have to think about that one for awhile LOL.
said by MsTerra :
but as far as furthering the cause of marketing, I would think it would be more constructive for you to work within the industry to help bring more businesses up to your standards as you describe them here. It's great that you have standards, but to those of us on the other end of the phone/network/etc. it looks as though most in the industry don't.
But you know, even though you make a point, its not even the reason why I hang out here, for some insane reason it intrigues me that people want to spend time talking about things they don't like. And you gotta admit it, its more fun to debate than sit around complaining with like-minded people
said by MsTerra :
I ordered tickets over the phone, and when I asked the TM rep what they wanted my email address for, she out-and-out LIED to me.
And am I to believe that you never told a little white lie to someone either? There is a chance that the person you talked to had no idea why they were asking for it or were reprimanded for not doing so in the past and their job was at risk. Not trying to make excuses but if its company policy than the employees can't set the rules or go against them and you never know they may think it sucks just as much as you do. | |
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL | Simple solution... When asked for your e-mail address, simply say "I don't use the internet." and be done with it... | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Sorry. Can't agree with you here. They are saying your information will be passed to just about everybody related to the event. There is no assurances your information won't then be passed on to from those people. Keep in mind there are a LOT of organizations related to a single concert. TM pretty much passes your info to dozens of businesses on that first degree of separation alone.
I bought some Weird Al concert tickets over a month ago and gave them my alternate Hotmail (i.e. SPAM resevoir). You better believe I am getting constant emails from various organizations I know are related to TM. Not just concert promotional stuff. After I see the show Tuesday I'm blocking every single one of those emails, including TM.
It's pretty lousy when a business that controls access to much of the venues forces you to comply to their demands to take your information and do what they want with it. Doesn't matter that you can circumvent it. You shouldn't have to deal with that sort of conduct in the first place. | |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| Re: And the problem is? said by SRFireside :
Sorry. Can't agree with you here. They are saying your information will be passed to just about everybody related to the event. There is no assurances your information won't then be passed on to from those people. Keep in mind there are a LOT of organizations related to a single concert. TM pretty much passes your info to dozens of businesses on that first degree of separation alone.
So what, throw it out if they mail you stuff, delete it if they e-mail you stuff, say no thank you if they call, not that big of a deal.
said by SRFireside :
It's pretty lousy when a business that controls access to much of the venues forces you to comply to their demands to take your information and do what they want with it. Doesn't matter that you can circumvent it. You shouldn't have to deal with that sort of conduct in the first place.
Its pretty lousy when customers who go to concerts for somewhat reasonable prices gripe about the advertising that makes it possible for the bands to tour and you to be able to go. And they aren't forcing you to do anything, don't like their policies then don't go to concerts. period. | |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| Re: And the problem is? said by cableblows3 :
LOL what are you calling reasonable? all these HAMs are not worth what you pay to see them. (god, please bring back ALL of lynyrd skynyrd) and i still would not pay 200 to go see them
well since my favorite bands are America, Rush, Kansas, Styx etc. I don't have that dilemma as most concerts I go to are under $35 and usually in the free to $15 range. Although I admit I paid $65 to see Pink Floyd and it was well worth it | |
| | mjcrocket
Mjc
join:2000-12-02
Abingdon, MD
| I also have to say that I do not see what the problem is! I have been a subscriber to their service for close to a year.
I have not received any SPAM from them or their venues. I did ask them to send me some very specific information concerning a specific venue. In the past year I have received three e-mails concerning events at that venue, none of which caused me any problem.
They have a real postal address, telephone number, e-mail address, etc for me and as best I can tell; they have not been the source of any SPAM or Junk Mail flood!
I have to agree that it appears recently a lot of "news" items posted here are of questionable value!!
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: And the problem is? said by mjcrocket :
I have not received any SPAM from them or their venues. I did ask them to send me some very specific information concerning a specific venue. In the past year I have received three e-mails concerning events at that venue, none of which caused me any problem.
Good for you. I have gotten over 25 emails within the last six weeks that I can directly link to Ticketmaster. Lord knows how many I am getting that I can't trace to them. Maybe their policy was different when you registered your info with them. I signed up recently so the stuff that's going on might be new.
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| | ackman
join:2000-10-04
Acworth, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by Taurus333 :
You folks whine about telemarketing so that will come to an end, you whine about spam and that will surely end at some point, you whine about tv ads, whine, whine , whine about advertising without realizing that its what keeps things affordable. I don't even want to know what a concert ticket would cost without Budweiser, Coke, Cingular and whoever else footing the bill. Sure advertising is an inconvenience but paying a months salary to go to a concert would be even worse. Grow up, learn about business, and deal with it.
wrong, pal. Imagine how little a pair of Nikes would cost if freaking Nike wasn't paying out hundreds of millions of dollars to socially meaningless "star" athletes. You think advertising revenue has had a positive impact on pro sports? All it's done is enabled ludicrous salaries, and driven up venue prices for the rest of us. Go ahead, tell me again why you think it's not appropriate to complain about being victimized by overzealous advertising. One more point, you have an OPINION, which many will agree is misguided. You should avoid using terms like you finished with, i.e. "Grow up, learn about business, and deal with it"...pretty immature, dude. | |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
 ·Vonage
| Liers and thieves.... and the sons of liers and thieves.
This is not the only thing Ticketmaster has been up to.
I seem to remember some time ago that they were also locking competitors out of a lot of events.
They have become the Microsoft of the "Event" world.
Not only that, but like Microsoft they don't give a rip about anyone or anything as long as you can line their pockets with more green's.
Maybe the government needs to start Anti-Trust proceedings against TM.
I will never buy from TM again especially when they lie to customers faces about why they need the e-mail address. | |
| | pierce2
join:1999-09-22
Santa Cruz, CA
| Re: Liers and thieves.... indeed, don't forget, Clear Channel not only owns TicketMasher, they also own the venues and/or the production companies putting on the shows, *AND* they own radio stations they use to promote the concerts.
if a band refuses to book their tour exclusively through CC, they'll boycott their music on the air. Since they own something like 1500 FM stations nationally, they get their way.
this is all well documented any number of places, try a google for 'clear channel sucks' or something like that... | |
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carynoc
Just Ducky
Premium
join:2003-07-17
Whitmore Lake, MI
| Wonder what they will do in Michigan on 9/1 (c) Establish a toll-free telephone number, a valid sender-operated return e-mail address, or another easy-to-use electronic method that the recipient of the commercial e-mail message may call or access by e-mail or other electronic means to notify the sender not to transmit by e-mail any further unsolicited commercial e-mail messages....
It will be interesting to see how the Michigan Law stands up to their privicy policy.
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
Premium
join:2002-09-06
00000 | Wait a Minute Ticket Master sucks? When did this happen? | |
| rmdir
join:2003-03-13
Chicago, IL | my addy They can have my e-mail address. It's uce@ftc.gov | |
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nil
Java Geek
join:2000-11-27
Host:
Webmasters and Dev..
Forum Feature Requ..
| Ticketing explained... TicketMaster is an evil company, I know, I work for their competition.. but regardless..
They don't own the tickets, the venues do. Ticketmaster is providing the infrastructure for ticket sales, but in reality the venues are selling to the customers.. So this policy makes 100% sense in that context. Maybe people aren't aware of the fact that you're not really buying from Ticketmaster.. just *via* them.
It's up to each individual venue to construct a privacy policy.. so.. it's not the TicketMaster's privacy policy you should be reading but the venue's for which you're buying the tickets.
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| | pierce2
join:1999-09-22
Santa Cruz, CA
| Re: Ticketing explained... said by nil :
They don't own the tickets, the venues do. Ticketmaster is providing the infrastructure for ticket sales, but in reality the venues are selling to the customers..
only, both the venues AND ticketmaster are owned by Clear channel. they are skimming off both ends. | |
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fremen
join:2000-12-31
New York, NY
| Re: Ticketing explained... said by pierce2 :
said by nil :
They don't own the tickets, the venues do. Ticketmaster is providing the infrastructure for ticket sales, but in reality the venues are selling to the customers..
only, both the venues AND ticketmaster are owned by Clear channel. they are skimming off both ends.
Quick FYI, Ticketmaster is not owned by Clear Channel. I used to deal with both companies frequently. They are not associated with one another. | |
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Unit649
I B U, Who U B?
Premium
join:2000-01-22
Stockton, CA
·Comcast
| Never used them Never used ticketmaster and never will. The fact they charge you a massive fee to get a ticket is the main reason. If I can't get off my ass and go get a ticket, then there is no reason for me to get the ticket.
Them using your email to spam is just another reason not to use them. If a ticket is $25, I want to pay $25, not $40 with additional charges, handling, etc (and what the HELL is handling? Handling the ticket from the printer to the preprinted mailing envelope?)
Course I'm not a massive concertgoer either, I probably get tickets 2 times a year, usually to baseball games.
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: Never used them What gets me is a lot of venues' box offices are run by ticketmaster, so even if you go and purchase tickets at the venue, you're subject to TM's crappy business charges of handling fees and convenience fees and venue fees over and above the ticket cost!
So, for an amazing number of venues, you can't opt out of using TM to get your ticks, even if you want to! | |
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Maggs
Premium
join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
·RCN CABLE
| Yankee Ticketmaster Hell I checked on tickets for Fri Aug 8th at Yankee Stadium, they were $18 for the "best available seats", my @#$ since I checked the phone book and we were going to be placed in Section 35 Z. They would charge $18 base per ticket, $4.95 convienence charge per ticket on top of $18, and $3 order by phone charge for 5 tickets.
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| dchef
join:2000-08-04
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| An Experiment
I don't even think the idiots that buy these lists know they are getting suckered. According to what they collect on me. I live in Palm Beach and own my own home.... Not.
If by any chance one or two get through and they don't leave me alone, I will choose not to deal with them if I don't have to.
This is a company with a crappy reputation ( ask Pearl Jam) Why do you think they would improve? let them knock on the door all they want, I ain't answering!
I still don't know what this has to do with "keeping the costs down" Taurus. Oh and I happen to have my MBA. If its free R&D they want, believe me they are not passing the savings into your pocket... | |
| jsouth
Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | So what? | |
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Re: And the problem is?