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Post bit cap madness, cable gives something back
(old news - 01:06PM Wednesday Aug 06 2003)
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While high speed tiers catering to so-called "bandwidth hogs" are now more common, many cable companies are looking at 3Mbps as the downstream speed on their standard broadband offerings. --

In 2001, a new term bubbled it's way to the surface of the marketing landscape: "bandwidth hogs". These were users that gobbled up more than their fair share of regional bandwidth at the expense, so the cable companies proclaimed, of their less bandwidth hungry neighbors. The predominant poison of these bandwidth gluttons was peer to peer file trading. Despite large volumes of pomp and circumstance from PR departments, the grainy postage stamp size film previews being passed off as "high speed content" simply weren't that bandwidth intensive; file trading would take the blame.

To engage in battle with these new enemies, download caps and cable speed tiers emerged, classifying users into categories based on bandwidth consumption. Grannies who checked their e-mail twice a week and spent 10 minutes at Weather.com could be ushered into the basic tiers, while those downloading gigabytes worth of film and music could be convinced to pay more for their gluttony.

While some argued that the caps and limitations were a necessary evil, some passed the term "bandwidth hog" off as a PR department created myth; something designed to fill the cable industry coffers (as if price increases clocking in at five and a half times the rate of inflation weren't doing that already).

The goal, according to Jeff Chester of the Center for Digital Democracy, was to "monetize bandwidth", and "charge a toll for every bit". While tinged with a little too much gloom and doom for an industry that will grow regardless of what shackles it's placed in, his report on the myth of bandwidth hogs is worth a read.

Other than general grumbling, only in extreme cases did consumers stand up and complain. Companies like NTL imposed gig a day restrictions without telling their customers because, as one executive put it, they "weren't tech enough to understand". Australian provider Telstra ran into problems when they imposed a bandwidth meter that simply didn't work. Bell Sympatico perhaps received the most slack, when thousands of users petitioned against the company's bandwidth crackdown.

It wasn't long before the complaints died down and consumers accepted bit caps and speed tiers as par for the broadband course. Bell Sympatico helped its case by eventually raising their base downstream speeds from 1 to 1.5Mbps, and abolishing bit caps altogether this past July. Over the past six months, the noose has loosened slightly across the cable industry as a whole, with a variety of providers finally giving something back to consumers, who've been paying progressively more while getting little to show for it.

Comcast CEO Brian Roberts promised that 3Mbps would be the standard, and so far his promises appear to be coming true. The company has been testing the higher speeds in a variety of markets. According to Comcast spokeswoman Sarah Eder, who recently spoke to CNet, the trials exist to "determine how the change affects the network, how users value increased speeds and to help us develop the broadband experience for the future." Reality sings a different tune however. With cable executives facing bell price cuts and unwilling to reduce profit margins, they need to throw consumers a bone. Doubling their downstream speeds is a good start.

Montreal based Cogeco is also speeding things up for their cable broadband customers. The company announced last week they'd be increasing downstream speeds from 2 to 3Mbps for all 1.9 million of their cable customers. Even Northern Virginia, a running candidate for the worst broadband service in the country under Cox Communications, is witnessing speed increases to 3Mbps.

It would appear for the time being that 3Mbps is becoming the standard flavor for cable broadband in their continuing battle to fend off the Bells. But for every provider raising their speeds and loosening the bit cap noose, there are many more that insist on charging more, for less (or a little more at great cost); then pitching their offer as a broadband revolution.

BellSouth's marketing department has a bridge to sell you after you're done signing up for their 256/128Kbps "lite" tier for $40 a month. Roadrunner believes you'll be very happy paying $80-$100 dollars a month for 3Mbps, and is conducting trials for their "Xtreme tier." In addition to speeds many providers offer for less, you'll get the privilege of being yelled at less frequently for being a bandwidth hog.

Doubling the standard speed of broadband service is a long overdue treat for customers who have been facing an endless sea of rate hikes. Still, the majority of the young broadband industry seems to believe that the majority of their potential customers have fat wallets and a skewed sense of value.

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tidal
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SWEET

sweet! now if they would only allow us to host websites.

Maxo
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Re: SWEET

Right on. The day they stop blocking ports I'll start waiting for my contract to end to switch over my service.
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IcyFire
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join:2001-05-30
Somewhere

I'm waiting

I'll be here waiting from Time-Warner to up my RR speed any day now, wake me when it happens.
buddasahn

join:2000-11-27
Akron, OH

Me too...

Same here. Speeds that at one time were a consistent 2000/384 connection has dropped to a 1700/130 connection. My ping times have gone to hell AND my price gone up. I'd love to see these new speeds come to fruition but I have this gut feeling that the "pigs flying" dream will come true 1st!!!!

moby866
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Above you
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Re: I'm waiting. WAIT NO MORE!!!!

I found this on a local TWC page. I had to laugh when I saw it.

»www.highspeedkc.com/twc_highspee···_you.asp

"Scalable networks. Time Warner Cable uses only 6 megahertz of its 750 megahertz system for its cable modem service. In addition, they now use only just 1/3rd of their fiber optic cables. The rest are "dark," awaiting future needs. (Think of a highway with hundreds of lanes awaiting more traffic.) This means that even in the online version of "rush hour," our network is as fast as DSL-and usually faster."

I would just call your local cable office and ask them to turn on one of the extra fibers they love to brag about and start giving you decent service. I had a whole package of cable with digital,VOD and Road Runner. Now I have just basic cable for the better reception of local channels and TNT for Law and Order. I also switched to Earthlink and have been very happy, it is a little bit cheaper and the e-mail is not blocked as spam by 2/3 of all SMTP servers on the internet.

Sleep tight after that call since it will be a while before anything will happen. And when it does, you can count on a higher bill for it.
Kommie

join:2003-05-13
East Haven, CT

Who Writes This?

"Cox CEO Brian Roberts"

LOL.....

Karl Bode
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Re: Who Writes This?

I do. A human being. Corrected, thanks.

Smokey
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Re: Who Writes This?

and it was a good read, thx levi!

Maggs
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It is very well laid out and put together. Nice Job. Leviathan.

I believe in NYC they won't get away with the price increases cause in NYC we have Earthlink, RR, Covad, Speakeasy, RCN and a bunch of other wireless players to boot. So competition is fierce in major metro areas.
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UnKown
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Orlando, FL

Re: Who Writes This?

just to add something. u forgot Avout Adelphia Powerlink whos bandwidth caps have always been 3mbps since the dawn of docsis.

Tomek
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Brooklyn, NY

First let me have 3MB download

then I will be more than happy to have at least 756kB
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gate1975mlm
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Re: First let me have 3MB download

3000/384 Would be so great!

Bagnon
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Re: First let me have 3MB download

quote:
3000/384 Would be so great!
I already get that
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INTENS1
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said by gate1975mlm See Profile:
3000/384 Would be so great!
That's what I have with Insight Cable here in Springfield IL ($84.95) Expensive, but what's one to do
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alfnoid
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What about the price?

quote:
According to Comcast spokeswoman Sarah Eder, who recently spoke to CNet, the trials exist to "determine how the change affects the network, how users value increased speeds and to help us develop the broadband experience for the future." Reality sings a different tune however. With cable executives facing bell price cuts and unwilling to reduce profit margins, they need to throw consumers a bone. Doubling their downstream speeds is a good start.
yeah doubling down speeds would be a good start if they don't raise the price. "how users value speeds" and them not commenting on whether the price will stay the same are telltale signs here that the price is going up.

You know they would brag their asses off if they planned to keep the prices where they are and raise speeds.

peace

djrobx

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Valencia, CA
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Re: What about the price?

quote:
You know they would brag their asses off if they planned to keep the prices where they are and raise speeds.
I don't think they have a lot of room to increase broadband prices, with the bells lowering theirs. I suspect upping caps is cheaper than lowering their price to match, since a huge majority of people will still transfer the same number of bits anyway.

-- Rob

Goober
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I'm with Wideopenwest cable and they recently introduced an "Ultra" tier of service which is 3000/500 (caps are actually higher than that, so you really get that throughput). However, I'm also paying $15.00 a month more for it.

If Comcast introduces the 3000 speed in this area while maintaining the same price, WOW all of a sudden loses their pricing advantage.

Has anyone experienced competition based price cuts for their cable service? All I seem to see are lowering DSL prices but increasing cable prices.

J D McDorce
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Westland, MI

Re: What about the price?

The 500 up would be a tough pill for Comcast's network to swallow.

It would be interesting to see more cable companies take an approach similar to WOW's in offering four different tiers of service (3000/500, 1500/300, 500/300, and 112/112) to allow subscribers to select a package that matches their use needs and budgets.

As for competition based price cuts for cable service, I have not seen this as common (other than some localized price matching and retention deals). However, The Detroit News ran a series of articles last summer showing how local competition does have a effect on fractionally reducing local cable rates: »www.detnews.com/2002/business/02···ndex.htm

Goober
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Re: What about the price?

I know that here in Naperville, WOW prices are very significantly less than Comcast's. That is actually a remnant from the Americast days it seems to me. When Americast first started up, it was free installation, $120.00 rebate in 4 $30.00 Ameritech certificates that could be used towards phone or cable and fairly frequent PPV for free certificates.

Of course Ameritech was sued later for $120 rebate, but it was their way of trying to get customers away from the incumbent carrier Jones (subsequently Cox, then ATT now Comcast). Not really a price drop, but the rates were lower than Jones and more channels were provided.

Anyway, competition does make a difference. But all cable companies seem headed in an inexorable march towards higher cable rates. I want to see a DSL-esque drop.

I'm not complaining though, since my rates are still pretty good, even though $15.00 extra a month is a little higher than I like.

Thanks for the articles.
biteman

join:2001-02-02
Grand Rapids, MI


When comcast took over att cable they raised there broadband prices by $15.00 a month. They gave you some kind of a break if you also got there TV service. Even if they up there speeds they will still have speed problems as cable shares bandwidth with people in your area. DSL does not have that problem but DSL does have the problem that you have to be like 16,000 cable feet or less to get service.
[text was edited by author 2003-08-06 16:24:11]

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Re: What about the price?

said by biteman See Profile:
When comcast took over att cable they raised there broadband prices by $15.00 a month. They gave you some kind of a break if you also got there TV service. Even if they up there speeds they will still have speed problems as cable shares bandwidth with people in your area. DSL does not have that problem but DSL does have the problem that you have to be like 16,000 cable feet or less to get service.
[text was edited by author 2003-08-06 16:24:11]

Partly true. However, even though cable generally may have a shared bandwidth problem, its also possible, for example, to "overfill" the capacity of Redbacks used in DSL communications. Don't think for a moment that DSL is problem free other than for the CO distance limitation.

In addition, a cable company like WOW is pretty aggressive in preventing the typical cable overload problems.

J D McDorce
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Re: What about the price?

said by Goober See Profile:
In addition, a cable company like WOW is pretty aggressive in preventing the typical cable overload problems.
Which is not to say that WOW hasn't had it's fair share of growing pains (which are hopefully now behind them).

Goober
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Re: What about the price?

said by J D McDorce See Profile:
said by Goober See Profile:
In addition, a cable company like WOW is pretty aggressive in preventing the typical cable overload problems.
Which is not to say that WOW hasn't had it's fair share of growing pains (which are hopefully now behind them).
Agreed. But, I think they handled it better than many other companies. And certainly, they handled it better than my Earthlink/Mindspring DSL. That dragged on and on for months.

J D McDorce
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Re: What about the price?

The Great Chicago Redback Fiasco?

Goober
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Re: What about the price?

Yep. What a NIGHTMARE. I did get 1.5 months of free service out of it though after b!tching about it for a week straight.

Problem was that the pain lasted for more several more weeks after that for me. So, the first day that WOW became available in Naperville, I bailed. It was several months after that the EL/MS thing went away for the rest of the people that stayed with them.

myosh

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said by alfnoid See Profile:
yeah doubling down speeds would be a good start if they don't raise the price. "how users value speeds" and them not commenting on whether the price will stay the same are telltale signs here that the price is going up.

You know they would brag their asses off if they planned to keep the prices where they are and raise speeds.

peace
I agree with you alfnoid. 3 Mbps download is great if and ONLY IF the prices remain the same (I'm paying 42.95/mo). If the increased download speed is used as an excuse to raise prices, then I would just as well keep my current 1.8 Mbps download.

oliphant5
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Of course bandwidth hogs exist

But that's a problem of the provider not having enough capacity for the number of accounts they sell. But the bandwidth hog...those small percentage of users who use the majority of bandwidth of course exist...but THEY aren't the real problem.

Now that a lot of cable companies are upgrading their old networks and having to compete is some limited markets with DSL...they find their own solutions.

Unfortunately some providers like Cox missed the competitive boat that providers like Comcast and Bell Sympatico realize. Daily, monthly caps aren't attractive and are easily gained as fodder for advertisements from competitors.
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panth1
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3Mbps, the New Standard?

Except for Adelphia, who is changing their standard $40 tier from 3Mb/128kbps to 2Mbps/256kbps.
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Jetta392
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Re: 3Mbps, the New Standard?

If OOL lowers from 10 down to 3 down they better lower their price as well.....
hescominsoon

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said by panth1 See Profile:
Except for Adelphia, who is changing their standard $40 tier from 3Mb/128kbps to 2Mbps/256kbps.

i'll take that..:)
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UnKown
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Re: 3Mbps, the New Standard?

in a mere half of a state.

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Re: 3Mbps, the New Standard?

said by UnKown See Profile:
in a mere half of a state.
As anyone who reads the Adelphia forums know, it's coming to the rest of the country (supposedly).

As panth1 pointed out, Adelphia is now cutting it's service and leaving the price the same. This, while other companies are raising their service levels and losing the bandwidth caps. Adelphia is always behind the 8 ball, whether it be upgrades or service offerings. No wonder they are bankrupt.
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hello123454
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Wilmington, DE

Speed Changes Since @Home

I've went from 7200/900 with @Home >>>> 1500/128 >>>> 1800/128 >>>> 1800/256 >>>> 3000/384 (possibly)

Just a rollercoaster

J D McDorce
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Re: Speed Changes Since @Home

I haven't seen any indication of Comcast proposing an increase to 384 up for standard Comcast High Speed Internet service.
jj nobody

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Lakeland, FL

said by hello123454 See Profile:
I've went from 7200/900 with @Home >>>> 1500/128 >>>> 1800/128 >>>> 1800/256 >>>> 3000/384 (possibly)

Just a rollercoaster
I lived in wilmington, de and had @home from sept. 99 - may 2000. Me and my neighbor were the only ones in our apartment to have it since it was so new. God, that connection was the best!!! Upstreaming and sending stuff faster than we could burn it on a cd-rw and give it to each other. Those were the days.

Gun Nut

@intel.com

Who cares about 3 meg down when you're up capped?

The real internet is about two way communication. 128 - 256k upload speeds don't cut it. All I have to do max out my bandwidth is do a video conference, or upload a file, or play a game online.

I'd much rather have real T1 speeds at 1.5 meg up/down or even something like 2 meg down / 768k - 1 meg up than have 3 down / 128 - 256k up.

Your download don't mean squat if your upload is pegged.

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jarablue
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Worcester, MA

LOL tell that to Charter slowband

Yah I'll believe it when Charter offers it. Which isn't in the near future. And make no mistake there will be a price hike if and when it ever comes.

Jaime
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Huntington Beach, CA

Re: LOL tell that to Charter slowband

Charter users are the abused broadband kids of the neighborhood, we get no bandwidth love .

zoom314
Superman
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Yermo, CA

Re: LOL tell that to Charter slowband

Ditto....

dvd536
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HAHAHA. Charter struggles to even get you 1.5mbps. 3megs is out of the question until they let loose of some of that cash and do some major upgrading to their network.
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stridr69

join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA

Re: LOL tell that to Charter slowband

Depends where you live, Sport..


Eat Me

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ

RCN megamodem to 5000?

Hmm. RCN should raise my speeds with megamodem to like 5000 or something now, since 3000 or so will be like the standard...
biteman

join:2001-02-02
Grand Rapids, MI

Re: RCN megamodem to 5000?

I got a good question for you all. Will it ever be enough???? If they raise it to 3000 will then you complain that is not enough. You will like it at first but then complain AGAIN win the file sharing users raise there use even HIGHER.

xdeadhead
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Re: RCN megamodem to 5000?

what file sharers? havent you heard the riaa subpoena rally is making everyone stop trading? kinda like when there was a war on drugs and now you cant get drugs anymore.

---sarcasm off---
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biteman

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Re: RCN megamodem to 5000?

I do not understand your reply. What planning are you talking about???

xdeadhead
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Re: RCN megamodem to 5000?

it's a posting tagline...it means nothing to you. it really has more to do with ID10-T problems.
[text was edited by author 2003-08-07 20:10:25]

eite

@12.144.x.x

New MCI DSL...

Well, now that MCI is offering a 1.5/768 DSL package for as low as $45/month cable providers will start losing customers. There are even some reasonable DSL providers offering 3/384 speeds for less than some of the going cable plans. All this and no line sharing with your neighbors. Well, I had been a huge fan of Optimum Online over the 5 years that I have been with them, but with all the recent rate hikes and now upload capping that they are implementing, I am dropping them for the freedom of knowing that I have a 1.5/768 circuit that I can use how I want, when I want, without fear of capping and allows running servers. Cable providers should get smart or they will quickly lose customers.

Smokey
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Re: New MCI DSL...

if you can get dsl! there are allot of us who can not!

herdfan
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Unless you are a big downloader speed doesn't really matter as there is very little difference between surfing with a 768 DSL and a 3Mbps cable connection.

And for the majority of people who don't download excessively, they really don't need that extra bandwidth. But 256 up to send pictures to the grandparents would be great.

None of this will matter when we all get FTTH. LOL...

But I think for the near future, DSL will make inroads into cable's dominance due to price.
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hgnslngr

join:2003-08-06
Baton Rouge, LA

3Mbps doesn't matter

Why shouldn't they worry about hiking it up? I seriously doubt most people would come anywhere close to it on a regular basis. The limiting factor is always the upload limit on the server you're trying to download something from. How many people would download multiple files to get to the 3Mbps limit? I think its a smart move on their part. You get a larger download max and they don't had to worry about any significant increase on the bandwidth over their customer base.

If they really wanted to do something great for their customers, it would be to increase their upload speed and allow them to have servers. But I don't think that will happen until competition increases.

SandShark
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Re: 3Mbps doesn't matter

I couldn't agree more!

dvd536
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I can pull 600KB/s off the optonline ftp but in real world usage average downloads are around 200KB/s or ~1.6mbps so 3mbps is plenty. where good speeds count is when downloading large things like a 5 cd linux set. those servers generally can push to you as fast as you can pull it.
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DONKEYKONG01

join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA

Upload is not something that we have a privilege to, they just don't want us using much of it. Because then, your download would max out 24hrs a day, the trick is to keep you starving as much as possible. I thinking thats it just for marketing purpose. Its like a car that does 200 MPH but with upload capping thing is like speed limit to keep you from going too fast. LOL. We all love that. heh.

kba4

join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH
·RoadRunner Cable

upload needs to be addressed as well

bandwidth hogs are p2p/file-traders, and to remain a strong player a good upstream speed will be needed. why is it an ISP can increase the download and yet leave the upload untouched? in the end they end up making a mess of their network, with the 'worst case scenario' being everyone uploading at their max and reducing the downstream availability to whatever that max is.
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Smokey
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Re: upload needs to be addressed as well

the upload requires allot more work. DOCSIS 2.0 will help, when it come in to effect.

Julio
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Upload first...then Download

i think that the Upload speeds should be raised first to match the download speeds.

dvd536
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Re: Upload first...then Download

said by Julio See Profile:
i think that the Upload speeds should be raised first to match the download speeds.
never happen (at least in america where the corporate greed machines are well oiled)
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DONKEYKONG01

join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA

said by Julio See Profile:
i think that the Upload speeds should be raised first to match the download speeds.
i hate this restriction but there's not much you can do about it unless you can set your own speed based on your line quality, which is really out of our reach. Not to mention is is owned by the big corporation who we are just renting their service. Something we need to consider.
Mr Natural

join:2003-03-30
Hallandale, FL

Download,Upload, like sport cars

Except for file sharing and game playing the whole deal on speed is overated. I get 1500/128 and seems to fit all my needs. I remember these discussions with Pontiac GTO's and Chevy Corvettes. I know, I'm showing my age.
As with cars if ya got the money you can usually find the speed.
Mr. Natural
jj nobody

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Lakeland, FL

Re: Download,Upload, like sport cars

said by Mr Natural See Profile:
Except for file sharing and game playing the whole deal on speed is overated. I get 1500/128 and seems to fit all my needs. I remember these discussions with Pontiac GTO's and Chevy Corvettes. I know, I'm showing my age.
As with cars if ya got the money you can usually find the speed.
Mr. Natural
I guess in a couple or few years, my 1500/128 VOL DSL line will be like a '76 AMC pacer!
Mr Natural

join:2003-03-30
Hallandale, FL


Re: Download,Upload, like sport cars

I had a 50's something Nash Rambler. No I am not that old. My dad wanted something cheap and safe. and your right today's speeds are going to seem very slow in a few years. Just remember how fast everyone thought 56k was over 28k
Mr. Natural
[text was edited by author 2003-08-06 17:04:07]
indigo

join:1999-08-22
Covina, CA

With cars though you don't need to move to another state to get the service. I live in the land of exiles, and here there is no other DSL choices other than the rural telco. There never will be either, because the biggest town in the state is 60,000 people and that is not even big enough for the CLECs to decide it's worth it.

So in order for someone like me to get the service I've always dreamed of (minimum 768kbps upload, low latency, allows servers), I need to pay $800 a month for a T1, which is right up there with mortgage payments. I don't have that kind of cash. I for one cannot wait for the day I move out of this cursed backwater and can get REAL broadband.
jj nobody

join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL

Re: Download,Upload, like sport cars

said by indigo See Profile:
With cars though you don't need to move to another state to get the service. I live in the land of exiles, and here there is no other DSL choices other than the rural telco. There never will be either, because the biggest town in the state is 60,000 people and that is not even big enough for the CLECs to decide it's worth it.

So in order for someone like me to get the service I've always dreamed of (minimum 768kbps upload, low latency, allows servers), I need to pay $800 a month for a T1, which is right up there with mortgage payments. I don't have that kind of cash. I for one cannot wait for the day I move out of this cursed backwater and can get REAL broadband.
So what are ya running now? Dial-up?
dsanders16

join:2001-02-24
Auburn, AL

oh man

Im on bellsouth adsl, $45 a month. 1.3mb/256k and charter is the only cable company in my area and they are god awful.

Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs:

What good does it do?

What good does it do to raise a users bandwidth from 1.5Mbps to 3Mbps, if you are going to penalize anyone who uses the increased bandwidth? To qualify as their "normal" user, you do nothing but some web browsing and email checking, and the fact of the matter is, 1.5 is plenty for that...more than enough in fact.

If I am paying for a 3000/256 line, I EXPECT to be able to have the right to max it out 24/7 if I so desire. Anything less is just false advertising in my opinion. That is not to say I would, or that I even think I could (not 24/7 anyway) But I do EXPECT the right to do so should I choose.
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Digital Pimp

join:2003-02-24
Bossier City, LA

Hmm...

If I ever have to go below 512K upload I'm going to cry.
3100/768 would rule.How come most isp's skip the 640K upload bit?Its like it doesn't exist.

bigdaddy17

join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL

DSL should raise upload rates..

Well Im on DSL and my upload is capped at 256 :-( I sure wish they would rase the upload for DSL instead of this 256 crap but I cant complain about my download which is 2mbps. Now if only they did a little about the upload..
schmattie

join:2003-07-20
Florence, KY

Re: DSL should raise upload rates..

My DSL is set to 1536/768...I guess Cincinnati just has a good Telco
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