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| HD-PVR...then I'll go for it It's about time. Both of the major DBS companies have offered PVRs with their services. One of the pluses of a cable company PVR (as opposed to TiVo) is people being able to just make the monthly payment without shelling out $300 for a TiVo or the like (especially since there are still monthly fees with TiVo save for DirecTiVo which you're just paying the extra per box charge). For me (since I have 3 TiVos) the one I'm waiting for is HD-PVR (the current Zenith offering doesn't have enough capacity to justify its cost). If Comcast rolls out the Moto DCT-6200 series, I'll rent it hook like and sinker. What would be cool is a Playstation or XBOX PVR cable box combo that would allow you to have Play-Per-View game rentals (via download). DVD combos...who doesn't already have a DVD player these days?
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wolfox
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| Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it Not to mention that PVR's bundled up with an integrated XBox or PS2 would just be king for online gaming if that cable's packing HSI in that bundle. I know that if I was 15 years younger and had something like that, my folks would have to use a crowbar to get the remote control and the d-pad out of my hands.;)
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JakCrow
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Palo Alto, CA | Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it I've heard TW's PVR box is pretty crappy, and I don't like the cable company having control or future control over my recordings. I'll take a hacked tivo any day. | |
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| said by wolfox  :
Not to mention that PVR's bundled up with an integrated XBox or PS2 would just be king for online gaming if that cable's packing HSI in that bundle.
Yeah too bad charter (yuck from my experience) does not offer anything greater than 128 upload at any price!!
At least in MI where I had them for a while.
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wolfox
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| Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it Well, the upload will not really be needed that much unless you are playing head-2-head online games. Like, I don't know - Team CounterStrike on an XBox PVR. Most people are more than happy to have a subscription to a service that would let them download and then play popular game titles, as was proven with the now defunct SEGA channel system of years gone by.
Taking up the role of devil's advocate here:
Perhaps Cable companies will update the systems on the head end and in the subscribers' distribution network to allow those that would want to play head-2-head games and need enhanced upload capability for such a purpose. Slap a nice round "$19.99" package price on it in addition to "regular" digital cable services, and they might have a deal that would make kids scream to their parents to purchase it.
Okay, back to work for me...
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@attbi.com | would allow you to have Play-Per-View game rentals...
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Remember the failed SEGA channel offered on TCI systems ... years ago. So, not necessarily, that far off. | |
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oliphant5
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| Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it Speeds were different way back then. Now online and gaming are well accepted and virtually expected for new game systems. Instead of being a new concept for consoles, it would just be a logical extension to stuff like XBL downloadable content.
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Unit649
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| I wonder however if the all in one box can:
1) Monitor what channels you watch and build a profile.
2) Monitor what programs you TIVO and build a profile.
3) Monitor what DVD's you watch and build a profile.
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Etc.
I just see an all in one box like that giving people the ability to have everything in one, but also the ability for people to monitor whats being used and "statistics" taken.
Maybe I'm just being paraniod-but this seems too convienent without some kind of alternative motive.
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Smokey
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| Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it and what makes you think that the current ones dont do that?? what do you think the old ones needed the phone line for?
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oliphant5
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| Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it said by Smokey :
what do you think the old ones needed the phone line for?
To obtain program guide data. | |
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Smokey
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| Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it the program guide comes in over the cable, the phone line was there to send data on ppv programs. Also Nielsen Media Research had a way to use the dtc to send ratings to them, so the boxes had the way to do so.
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it The previous post mentioned TiVo...I thought that was what you were referring to. | |
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clubs: | Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it np m8, i took him to say that the new cable boxes were the ones that would be doing this. | |
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Unit649
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| Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it I did mean the new boxes. Now that there is bidirectional data on cable (ie, cable modems) it wouldn't be too hard to have such data go down that same pipe.
I was referring to this new technology, if you can put a DVD and cable box with other stuff in one package, and an ethernet connection, who is to say the data stored, uploaded, played, or watched on the box couldn't be monitored?
What if the RIAA for example asked cable companies to check boxes with storage for mp3's?
I don't doubt the older boxes could do this-but when I hear "all in one" I begin to think about how they will market this-and it will look good so alot of people will go for it.....
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clubs: | Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it if things like that worry you i have a cave here that you can rent! THEY CAN'T GET YOU THERE | |
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Unit649
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| Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it I'm not worried about it, I don't have cable and probably won't till my credit debt is erased. My comment is simply based on the fact if they can integrate all of this stuff into one box, what else are they integrating?
There are alot of posts on DSLR about privacy-a big one today being "comcasts privacy policy". Well if thats a big concern, what if the policy is amended to say "if you're using one of our boxes, we will collect anonymous usage information?"
Thats the only reason I brought it up. If I ever did get cable, they would be pretty bored with me because I would probably watch it maybe 4-6 hours a week. I guess they could send me a letter asking why I don't watch, but why? If I get it, I'm paying my fees, used or not 
And yes, it does already happen already, but only kind of. My parents have a dish, and every 4-6 months they send them a free movie coupon for a free ppv movie. Well how do they know they don't buy any? Because they record that information. Sure, its in the Privacy policy and my parents don't mind, but that policy could be slowly amended to include other things like "viewing habits", couldn't it?
Not to say it will, but just another thought to toss out there and have people chew on, is my only intent. Wether they choose to or not, people probably won't really notice.
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| A quote from a cringely article
"The Future of TV " if you want to look it up
»www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulp···403.html
»www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,a···9,00.asp
»www.thestandard.com/article/0,19···,00.html
"What's far more disturbing, though, is the fact that our TiVo boxes are watching us and reporting our viewing habits back to their mother ship. And this is highly detailed snooping according to TiVo's own report of the most replayed and most freeze-framed moments from the recent Academy Awards telecast. They not only know what you are watching, but how you are watching it on a second-by-second basis"
Frankly, if I were going this route I would probably set up a computer(mini itx based) with a tv tuner card/dvr software and forget about pay services. | |
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BrianDamage
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| Re: HD-PVR...then I'll go for it You are on to something there.
I question the motives behind such a device, too. For one, the article says that one could transfer music and graphic file back and forth between it and the computer, yet, one cannot transfer DVR'ed TV or recorded movies because of built-in copy protection.
Ok...so, these companies respect the MPAA's argument about piracy, but the RIAA's position is irrelevant? It makes me curious.
Now, if these companies combined all of this with a DVD RECORDER, then, they would be on to something. Why bundle in a DVD player? Lots of folks already have one....plus, personally, I wouldn't want that because I would not want these media companies being able to query my box to see what DVDs I'm playing, and whether or not they are out-of-region DVDs or not, or copied DVDs or not.
History has shown that these "trade" groups have no regard for the consumer's fair use rights.
History has also shown that they will badger and prosecute anyone anywhere with anything they deem "questionable", whether it was copied under fair use or not, and whether they can prove that you have made multiple copies of something and distributed it or not.
Also, it is questionable at best as to their being able to determine through query what types of music files and graphic files and whatever else you move back and forth, for the same reasons.
It smells of a consumer trap, potentially.
Why would anyone want to put themselves into a position where their every habit can be monitored and tracked every minute of every hour of every day, and even when they are tracking habits that have nothing to do with the services that they are directly providing to that consumer?
One of these boxes would never get turned on in my house, personally. I like my privacy and will preserve it at every opportunity.
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oliphant5
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| Listen up Cable All cable op's should take note, as this will be what will help them take on DBS in the near term. But i think moreover there doing this because the know that the feds order to allow use buy our own boxes will take a big part of there cash flow away!
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| bobdabldr
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| I love my TiVo I think they would do well to go ahead and pay the folks that pioneered the concept. The software IS where it's at. I don't see anything on the market that compares to TiVo's functionality.But, I guess it's a step in the right direction.
I have Adelphia so I guess I'd have to lend them the seed money to offer any such "new fangled stuff!" | |
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|  Direct Tivo's
Sorry was supposed to be in next forum
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| lesopp
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Land O Lakes, FL | All in one my a$$ When they build a box that does all the above to include the HDTV standard that is a central unit that rebroadcasts all authorized channels on the internal wire, then I will raise the other eyebrow. | |
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wolfox
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Fayetteville, AR
| Re: All in one my a$$ {rant}
That is going to be a pretty tall order. Consider this - over three years ago, in the summertime was allegedly the nationwide debut of HDTV. Pure digital goodness piped into our living rooms in vivid color and amazing clarity. What ever happened to it?
Well, with the entire world, let alone the U.S. - a standard has not been settled on. There are over 18 HDTV scanning/reproduction techniques and only ONE television that does them all - for $25,000.
The powers that be are still lobbying back and forth on just how to license this technology, it's impact in the movie industry (because of it's too good to be true image quality) and how to defeat those that have a television licensed to work with one production house's product - and allow only specific materials to be played back.
F**K big business, and their stifling strangle hold on mass media. Screw the big-wigs that care only about a bottom line, and not a jot about your personal rights once you have purchased a "product". They need to just lay their money grubbing paws off the technicians and let them do what they do best: INNOVATE. The technology is HERE. It is readily AVAILABLE. And it's boat-loads cheaper than you think. Okay...I have that off my chest. Erm, carry on gentlemen and ladies...sorry. {/rant}
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