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Webcasters stand toe to toe with RIAA
(old news - 01:16PM Monday Jul 14 2003)
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The debate between the RIAA and internet webcasters simmered for many months, but has recently been reheated and will soon boil over. The battle has raged intensely over the past several years as the music industry and webcasters tried to hash out an agreement over royalty rates that wouldn't obliterate small webcasters in the process.

The battle brought together a wide variety of personalities, all of whom had their own solution to the problem. Jessie Helms, motivated by his desire to assist small conservative Christian Internet broadcasters in particular, become an unlikely hero to web radio fans and broadcasters alike when he proposed the Small Webcasters Settlement Act (SWSA); though it ultimately didn't smooth the waters.

Webcasters were perhaps irrevocably harmed by the lack of a unified front in their negotiations. Originally, the media reported that a deal which had been reached between webcasters and the RIAA was a pleasant, all inclusive, snuggly sort of affair. It was The Register that first pointed out that bill HR.5469 was a closed door settlement between the RIAA and a splinter organization (Voice of Webcasters, or VOW), who solely represented the largest webcasters.

The deal wound up doing nothing for education, religious, non-profit, hobbyist, and college radio, the organizations most impacted by the newly agreed upon (and still rather steep) rates. After reporting that all was not well in webcasting land, The Register received some critical responses from Vow, who called their report "laughable", and "pure fantasy".

The end product of the backroom deal was ample disgust among many broadcasters and the subsequent creation of the Webcaster Alliance, who last week announced they'd be pursuing legal action against the RIAA if the organization wasn't willing to negotiate more reasonable rates.

Perry Narancic, attorney for the Webcaster Alliance, argues that the RIAA may have run afoul of the Sherman Antitrust Act, and puts his opinions quite succinctly in the Register's latest exploration of the rate negotiaion pugilism:

"We believe RIAA and members control 85 to 90 per cent of the dominant market for music. They're seeking to eliminate a distribution channel that is absolutely vital to competing music from independents," he argues. "Music has a very difficult time getting exposure through traditional means. And yet the regulatory barriers are very low - Internet radio is a great way to distribute music in a convenient fashion."

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kapil
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I HOPE THE WEBCASTERS WIN

The RIAA is way overdue for a bitchslap

Sisqo
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Re: I HOPE THE WEBCASTERS WIN

lol, u know i think your right!!

denb45

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I think the RIAA is way out of touch with reality, it seems like they are going for Straws...let's face it, there losing a lot of money lately! In the next 20 years the RIAA as we know it now, won't even exist, neither will
any Music Radio stations, as we know it, everything will move to your PC, look around? it's already happennig
as I type this & it will continue to take shape!

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[text was edited by author 2003-07-14 23:56:02]

fancydancer
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Re: I HOPE THE WEBCASTERS WIN

Good point denguy. It seems that the RIAA missed the boat when they failed to harness the potential of the Internet in the pre-Napster days. Now they think they are missing out on all the fun ($$) so I guess its time to sue everyone!
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bmorrisj

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get some smoke.....

i dont like the RIAA but i wouldnt mind working for them because apparently they dont do any sort of drug testing on employees/contractees.....

hey, try to make the riaa implement drug testing on all of its contractees, and hey, they might use their political muscle(deep pockets) to legalize some stuff....hey where can you find a not high, non cracked out "artist" ...
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kba4

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Re: get some smoke.....

lol i was thinking that same original thought, that they don't drug-test. but i would say that proof of non drug-testing is in the ones making all the decisions: they have got to be high on something to believe what they pass off as the 'truth' and 'statistical data' lmao
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TexasGuy
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RIAA will be OK, relax.

RIAA has too much money, like Microsoft. They will come out undamaged. Please don't worry about RIAA, it has means to protect itself with overflow of cash. RIAA was, is and will be. RIAA rulez, virtually on the land and in the air. In USA the righteous is who has more money. RIAA does.

Remember OJ Simpson trial? Do you remember MS trial? Need more examples?
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Unit649
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Re: RIAA will be OK, relax.

The only way the RIAA will die is if EVERY artist just told them to stick it, and that would mean many, many lawsuits.

And of course, the RIAA could afford it-the artists can't without a major hit to the bottom line which is megar already.
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richk_1957
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Re: RIAA will be OK, relax.

They will just blame the drop in sales on 'pirates' and demand congress do something about them.

They can't see that they are doing it to themselves

Unit649
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Re: RIAA will be OK, relax.

Well if they all did at once and said why, then maybe they would realise it.

But the odds of that happening are 2: Slim and none.
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Pirate515
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said by TexasGuy See Profile:
Remember OJ Simpson trial?
Yes, I do. Just because OJ managed to avoid getting his ass thrown in jail still doesn't mean that he won back the respect of the public. His deep pockets may have bought him freedom, but they have failed miserably to buy back his good name. Even though he's walking free, the public still believes that he's a murderer and won't touch anything that has his name attached to it. Since that trial of his, I haven't seen him in any movies or TV shows other than news and rumors about him.

I hope that RIAA faces the same fate. Just like with OJ, their deep pockets may win their trials, but they will not win them respect of the society. The more they keep pissing on general public, the less sales they will get. Eventually, their money will run out and they will lose. Since they have lots of money, their loss will not happen overnight, but with their current course of action, there is no way of stopping it, they are only slowing it down.
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ATTGUY2

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I Hope The Webcasters Win!!!

They won't.

Varangian

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Give 'em what for!

Good luck webcasters.
Bust 'em up!

fancydancer
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Why don't....

the RIAA buy out the radio companies, hard drive and cd burner manufacturers and anything else that "takes" money from them?
CapGinyu

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Re: Why don't....

They probably could manage a buy-out too. The RIAA will never be able to be beaten in a court of law, atleast within the next few years. They may have been turned down before, aka the denial of being able to sue Sharman Networks, but with their infinitely-deep pockets they'll continue until they win or the other party can't afford it any more. As has been said before, the only way the RIAA will die is if a company with comparable finances step toe-to-toe with them in court.

borborpa
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Re: Why don't....

Verizon did/does and failed. As much as they tried...

It's all about lining some judge/congressman's pockets, and all is well...
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dvd536
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said by fancydancer See Profile:
the RIAA buy out the radio companies, hard drive and cd burner manufacturers and anything else that "takes" money from them?
They are. its called hardware level paladium. you wont be able to put anything on a storage device without someones permission. remember when the personal computer was "personal"?
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bfreas
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and where do they get their deep pockets......

....from everyone who buys music. If a national "boycott the RIAA" could be organized where everyone would stop buying music for say....a month, then maybe the artists would realize they are cutting their own throats by supporting the RIAA. Apparently money is the only thing that the RIAA understands, so I say "kick 'em where it hurts"....

caleet
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Re: and where do they get their deep pockets......

said by bfreas See Profile:
a national "boycott the RIAA" could be organized where everyone would stop buying music for say....a month
Then they would blame the loss of revenue on file sharing and piracy ... they have an answer for everything in order to get thier way.
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[text was edited by author 2003-07-15 09:02:02]

bfreas
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Re: and where do they get their deep pockets......

They could blame it on whatever they want.....bottom line is if they didn't have any money coming in then someone would have to explain. I don't think it would fly that everyone pirated their music for a month and then went back to buying. It's civil disobediance....like the Boston Tea Party.

wolfox
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Unfortunately, they are bleeding us legally registered and operating Internet radio webcasters to death. Since day one, for over 3 years now, my private radio venture has hemorrhaged loads of cash for just having the "right" to broadcast. It does not even matter to them if I play only music from private or independent artists either. They make a ton of money off of the backs of the consumers, and those that wish to express a different, refreshing voice to terrestrial broadcasting through the internet.

All of this is of course done on the shirt tails of the DMCA, where it in spirit states that any digital medium allows for a perfect reproduction of material. The RIAA is not necessarily the bad guys here -

We need to strike at the DMCA itself and copyright laws to take the wind out of the sails of the RIAA and liberate otherwise still or dying webcasters the world over.
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caleet
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Re: and where do they get their deep pockets......

said by wolfox See Profile:
We need to strike at the DMCA itself and copyright laws to take the wind out of the sails of the RIAA and liberate otherwise still or dying webcasters the world over.
Amen ...

I like webcasting ... I enjoy playing independent and alternative music ... and I enjoy producing content ...

I do not think Internet radio should be the target of the recording industry ... We actually help them and artists music to be noticed.
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