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DSL providers are creating new deals and extending existing ones in the hopes of keeping the cable monster at bay. As we mentioned last week, there's a handful of deals that have popped up among DSL providers since Verizon originally upgraded their speeds while lowering prices. While cable companies like Cablevision are sending prices in the opposite direction, companies like BellSouth are trying to get noticed by adding additional features.

CNet yesterday offered up their own synopsis of the various deals available this summer.

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BBC4544

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Saint Peters, MO

untrue

This cannot be happening because all the chicken littles (krk, briandamage, tofarfromco(otherwise known at 2dumb4dsl)) have said that the ILEC's will not lower their prices because they are evil. Someone please HELP!! The sky is falling!!!!

ib50MbSoon
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Re: untrue

said by BBC4544 See Profile:
... have said that the ILEC's will not lower their prices because they are evil. Someone please HELP!! The sky is falling!!!!
The bellcos only lower their prices where they absolutely have to or are forced to by law. When Comcast completes the HSI upgrade in our area, it will be interesting to see if SBC will still want $180/mo for a 128kb ISDN line.

And with Packet8 and Vonage over a cable line, the evil telcos may have to drop the price of that bandwidth-challenged voice line too. Good times are coming!
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Re: untrue

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The bellcos only lower their prices where they absolutely have to or are forced to by law. When Comcast completes the HSI upgrade in our area, it will be interesting to see if SBC will still want $180/mo for a 128kb ISDN line.
I'm not sure what century you're living in, but the last I checked, 128Kbps ISDN is NOT DSL. From the prices I've seen, I haven't ever seen a 2 channel ISDN line costing more than $80-100 per month either. $180?

This is a moot point anyways- has it ever occurred to you that the Bells are trying to encourage customers to change FROM ISDN to newer technologies like DSL by making price such a large factor? This is why parts for a 1990 vehicle are so expensive to buy. Auto manufacturers are trying to encourage people to simply BUY A NEW CAR!

This isn't to be able to gouge consumers.

"Gee... lower prices... speed tiers... extra items and options... must be a monopolistic attempt to gouge customers- they're only doing it to run everyone out of business that doesn't want to compete... then the price will be $8 million per HOUR! Just wait!"

Right... just keep complaining about how unfair it is that you can't complain anymore.

Boogie

ib50MbSoon
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Re: untrue

said by boogie74 See Profile:
quote:
The bellcos only lower their prices where they absolutely have to or are forced to by law. When Comcast completes the HSI upgrade in our area, it will be interesting to see if SBC will still want $180/mo for a 128kb ISDN line.
I'm not sure what century you're living in, but the last I checked, 128Kbps ISDN is NOT DSL. From the prices I've seen, I haven't ever seen a 2 channel ISDN line costing more than $80-100 per month either. $180?

Unbelievable isn't it!
269-468-xxxx There is the exchange, pick a number!

said by boogie74 See Profile:

This is a moot point anyways- has it ever occurred to you that the Bells are trying to encourage customers to change FROM ISDN to newer technologies like DSL by making price such a large factor? This is why parts for a 1990 vehicle are so expensive to buy. Auto manufacturers are trying to encourage people to simply BUY A NEW CAR!

Has it ever occurred to you that SBC doesn't offer DSL in our area? The ISDN-car is the only model available from Coloma's Model-T phone exchange.
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said by ib50MbSoon See Profile:
said by BBC4544 See Profile:
... have said that the ILEC's will not lower their prices because they are evil. Someone please HELP!! The sky is falling!!!!
The bellcos only lower their prices where they absolutely have to or are forced to by law. When Comcast completes the HSI upgrade in our area, it will be interesting to see if SBC will still want $180/mo for a 128kb ISDN line.

And with Packet8 and Vonage over a cable line, the evil telcos may have to drop the price of that bandwidth-challenged voice line too. Good times are coming!

i live in verizon land..... there is 10mbps cable (optonline), various dsl flavors (mci,covad,and verizon) and wireless (well supposedly wireless) in my area. ISDN is still NOT cheap in fact it never was and I doubt it ever will be. Verizon still wants obscene amounts of money for something as craptacular as ISDN even though there are many other viable options which are faster. It's always been this way it will always be this way. In other words I doubt ISDN prices would drop if comcast had cable in your area.

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said by ib50MbSoon See Profile:
When Comcast completes the HSI upgrade in our area, it will be interesting to see if SBC will still want $180/mo for a 128kb ISDN line.
We have had Comcast HSI for over a year now and Verizon still wants that much for ISDN.

I gave up on the telegraph companies. They still insist on wanting to sell me 100 year old technology when I don't want it. They could have retained me as a customer if they had bothered to provide the services I wanted, but they didn't... oh well.
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ISDN pricing has a lot to do with old tariff laws on the books (at least in america). thats why ISDN was totally passed over for the consumer market. thats also why IDSL (ISDN over DSL) 144/144 is so expensive.
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Re: untrue

said by dvd536 See Profile:
ISDN pricing has a lot to do with old tariff laws on the books (at least in america). thats why ISDN was totally passed over for the consumer market. thats also why IDSL (ISDN over DSL) 144/144 is so expensive.
So the big bad government forced the telcos to overinflate the price of ISDN?
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This is to F*&King Funny.. that made my day for sure

aztecnology
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Re: untrue

What's so funny...

oliphant5
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Re: untrue

The simple minded are easily amused.

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Re: untrue

This is whats funny-------> This cannot be happening because all the chicken littles (krk, briandamage, tofarfromco(otherwise known at 2dumb4dsl)) have said that the ILEC's will not lower their prices because they are evil. Someone please HELP!! The sky is falling!!!!
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Re: untrue

said by CO_Chris See Profile:
This is whats funny-------> This cannot be happening because all the chicken littles (krk, briandamage, tofarfromco(otherwise known at 2dumb4dsl)) have said that the ILEC's will not lower their prices because they are evil. Someone please HELP!! The sky is falling!!!!

Actually, what they are saying is that the telcos will not expand dsl coverage to reach their front doors...if they could get it, they would pay for it...
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Sure, too bad they require bundled crappy overpriced POTS service to get it. And SBC and Verizon are wasting no time trying to get new price hikes on POTS through to make up for these "gifts".
[text was edited by author 2003-07-08 11:55:59]

BBC4544

join:2002-03-12
Saint Peters, MO

Re: untrue

(sniff sniff) would you like a tissue??? Heaven forbid a company bundles a product that they have every right to bundle. grow up, if you want dsl that bad without dial tone, buy a dslam, register as a CLEC, buy a dry pair and supply your own damn dsl and quit crying!!!!!

oliphant5
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Re: untrue

Yep, just don't claim that they're cutting prices when they aren't. Telco shills, gotta love their revisionist history.

BBC4544

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Re: untrue

prove that they are not!!!!

oliphant5
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Re: untrue

said by BBC4544 See Profile:
prove that they are not!!!!
SBC's fine print. »www02.sbc.com/DSL_new/content/0,···&RI=&RD=

*Offer requires a one-year term agreement. After the expiration of this term agreement, the then-current month-to-month or applicable term price will apply. The regular monthly price for the service, modem charge and activation fee of $50.00 will appear on the first bill along with any corresponding and offsetting credits. Offer is available for a limited period of time and is subject to change without notice. Early termination fee of $200 applies if service is cancelled before expiration of term.

You should probably bother looking up the answer before you ask the question. You'll save yourself these types of embarrassment.
[text was edited by author 2003-07-08 16:31:22]

BBC4544

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Saint Peters, MO

Re: untrue

You proved me correct, they dropped the price for a 1 year term. Thank you.

oliphant5
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Re: untrue

LOL! Way to spin guy. So I guess with your logic, Comcast cut their rates for a 6 month term by over 50% to just $19.95.

You shills just crack me up.
[text was edited by author 2003-07-08 18:40:31]

BBC4544

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Saint Peters, MO

Re: untrue

what spin, the price used to be $50 a month, they dropped it to $30, that is decreasing the price what don't you understand??? YOU claimed

"Yep, just don't claim that they're cutting prices when they aren't."

You just proved that they dropped the price and you are too stupid to realize it.

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Re: untrue

Keep diggin'. The price still is $50 unless you sign a contract with bundled POTS service (running the price up another $15 minimally) and after the 12 month intro price it goes back to the $50 month-to-month price (plus the price of the POTS). And if you should move, or need to cancel service...ding ding ding, $200 penalty.

Again, with your brilliance, Comcast magically cut their rates by over 50%. LMAO.
[text was edited by author 2003-07-08 18:53:34]

BBC4544

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and who is suppose to be embarrassed?????

KrK
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said by BBC4544 See Profile:
This cannot be happening because all the chicken littles (krk, briandamage, tofarfromco(otherwise known at 2dumb4dsl)) have said that the ILEC's will not lower their prices because they are evil. Someone please HELP!! The sky is falling!!!!
Nice garbage there. Lower price but slower speed? Big whoop.
This is what happens in areas where there is competition.... try looking at the big picture for once, instead of wearing your Telco issued Blinders.
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BBC4544

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Re: untrue

Lower price but slower speed?

WRONG

chk sbc

lower prices and higher speeds, if you pay more then the current price you can call and get your price lowered and get a free modem. Also, this offer is in all areas, competition or not. NOW who is wearing the blinders ,or are you just an out right liar. Just because you say it does not make it true. KrK i will allow you a brief moment to remove your foot from your mouth and have a slice of humble pie.

BOW DOWN O STUPID ONE!!!!!
[text was edited by author 2003-07-08 15:00:40]

KrK
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Re: untrue

Lower prices, higher speeds?

Wrong. Lower prices... on new lower-speed tiers. Some lower prices on introductory offers, that then go back up to full rate. BIG WHOOP.
2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

What are you talking about??? I have said recently that DSL prices will approach 0, and it still won't matter. DSL is dead no matter what the prices are. RBOCs are evil; they are STUPID. They won't ever beat cable until they make it available. Maybe you missed my post where I said that there are only 3 problems with DSL:
1. Availability
2. Availability
3. Availability

They best broadband service is the one available first. Cable is almost always first and the RBOCs are so stupid that they are ignoring most of the VERY DENSE INNER SUBURBAN spots tht will NEVER have cable.

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Re: untrue

said by 2farfromCO7 See Profile:
What are you talking about??? I have said recently that DSL prices will approach 0, and it still won't matter. DSL is dead no matter what the prices are. RBOCs are evil; they are STUPID. They won't ever beat cable until they make it available. Maybe you missed my post where I said that there are only 3 problems with DSL:
1. Availability
2. Availability
3. Availability


1. Location
2. Location
3. Location

lol
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blackjeep

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Atlanta, GA

Re: untrue

Hehe....How true! Want DSL? Move to an area that has it or wait til it's serviced in your area. DSL providers have only had the last 7-8 years to be able to build up their networks, cable companies have had at least twice that. Plus Cable hasn't been in the ground for anywhere near the time that phone lines have been in the ground. Give cable lines an extra 25 or so years on their age and see if they still hold up like new cable.

JakCrow

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Huh. Last time I checked, the only lower prices are for the first year, then prices go back up to "normal". Funny that most people can't see past 12 months.

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Re: untrue

said by JakCrow See Profile:
Huh. Last time I checked, the only lower prices are for the first year, then prices go back up to "normal". Funny that most people can't see past 12 months.
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boogie74

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said by JakCrow See Profile:
Huh. Last time I checked, the only lower prices are for the first year, then prices go back up to "normal". Funny that most people can't see past 12 months.
Actually, after the 12 months, you are welcome to re-sign your contract to get the discount for another 12 months- ad infinitum.

Seeing that the latest prices haven't yet been in force for a full 12 months to begin with, it is not unreasonable to expect that the "discounted temporary price" will wind up becoming "permanent" within the next year or so. Marketing trends have ALWAYS been that way- you see it EVERYWHERE, in EVERY industry... (ie: "It's a discount to 'special' customers...;" then "It's a temporary discount to most customers...;" then "It's a temporary discount to ALL customers...;" then "It's a temporary discount to ALL customers- but if you are 'special' then it's permanent...;" then "It's a permanent price.")

Both SBC and Verizon are on that path already... there is no reason to expect that the prices won't become permanent for everyone within the next year or two.

Boogie

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said by BBC4544 See Profile:
This cannot be happening because all the chicken littles (krk, briandamage, tofarfromco(otherwise known at 2dumb4dsl))
Does that make you Big Turkey? Otherwise know as 2smart4hisowngood?
[text was edited by author 2003-07-08 16:28:00]

kapil
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Monster?

What Cable Monster? ..>Comcast has to learn not to $hit in its pants without diapers first. I got a postcard in the mail yesterday from Comcrap congratulating me because cable broadband was now available in my neighborhood. There's only one problem...it isn't available yet.

How bad a management do you have to have to do things worse than Ma Bell?
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oliphant5
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Re: Monster?

Verizon has the same problem with their ordering system misreporting who can get service.

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Me no go DSL till.....

until DSL ISP offer a minimum of 2Mbit down and 384KB/s for a price of $41.95 or lower i aint leaving my cable service.
tom0000

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Re: Me no go DSL till.....

said by Julio See Profile:
until DSL ISP offer a minimum of 2Mbit down and 384KB/s for a price of $41.95 or lower i aint leaving my cable service.
yeah, i agree with u. dsl is sickening slow.
2farfromCO7

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Me no go DSL till THEY ACTUALLY OFFER IT!!!!

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While I was in Texas I used Time Warner 2000/384 and it was awesome. I never saw any of the slowdowns you keep hearing from the DSL companies and no PPPoE. Now here in Connecticut I have SNET DSL and it's good and all but it's not 2000/384 for $45 like I was paying, it's 1500/256 for $50 and due to the PPPoE it really is 1300/256. My cable alternative is only 1500/128 at this time so it's not an option for me. I wish I could get cable at the speed I used to, I switch in a New York second.
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Re: Me no go DSL till.....

come move to NYC then =) we have tons of ISPs
jscally3

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La Mesa, CA

Linksys router not working with SBC DSL

I am having problems getting my Linksys BEFSR41 (4 Port) router to work with SBC DSL (Speedware 5100 modem). I successfully installed the modem and it's accompanying software.

After checking that I had access to the internet (yes, very fast) I used the CD provided (by Linksys) and followed the instructions for using the router with a DSL modem. At the point where you check the router to make sure the settings are correct (using PPPoE, username, password) everything looked correct. The router installation softwares next step took me to the Linksys registration page. At this point my internet connection ceased to function.

I followed the power cycling instructions from Linksys to no avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

jtudor
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Re: Linksys router not working with SBC DSL

Your post will probably get more response if you post in the linksys forum »Linksys
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Brianv5
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Seriously, what the heck would prompt you to post that in a news article?
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Re: Linksys router not working with SBC DSL

said by Brianv5 See Profile:
Seriously, what the heck would prompt you to post that in a news article?

Looks like jscally3 See Profile joined today, and is probably not aware of all the benefits of being a member...That's why jtudor See Profile was nice enough to point him in the right direction...
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lotsofplstic

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said by jscally3 See Profile:
I am having problems getting my Linksys BEFSR41 (4 Port) router to work with SBC DSL (Speedware 5100 modem). I successfully installed the modem and it's accompanying software.

After checking that I had access to the internet (yes, very fast) I used the CD provided (by Linksys) and followed the instructions for using the router with a DSL modem. At the point where you check the router to make sure the settings are correct (using PPPoE, username, password) everything looked correct. The router installation softwares next step took me to the Linksys registration page. At this point my internet connection ceased to function.

I followed the power cycling instructions from Linksys to no avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I have the same router and dsl modem.
I don't have any problems with it.
Did you reset the Dsl modem after you hooked it up to the router?
Not just turning the modem on and off but hit the reset button on the bottom off the modem.

big poppa pump

join:2001-05-18
Chicago, IL

drop Comcast

Everybody should drop their cable internet thats the only way they'll learn not to raise rates every chance they get, I got rid of Comcast for SBC DSL and now pay $15 dollars less a month, am very happy with no problems at all.

I used to have ATT cable they used to raise their rates every 6 months, their the worst company ever.
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Cougar311

join:2002-07-18
USA

Re: drop Comcast

Well we could do that if we had a choice. I have only once choice and that is Comcast. DSL is not available in my area and probably will never be. I live 1500 Ft from the Co...

dvd536
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Re: drop Comcast

said by Cougar311 See Profile:
Well we could do that if we had a choice. I have only once choice and that is Comcast. DSL is not available in my area and probably will never be. I live 1500 Ft from the Co...
1500 feet is VERY CLOSE in terms of DSL. perhaps thats a typo and you meant 15000 (15k feet)???
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Cougar311

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Re: drop Comcast

yes, 15000..

jtudor
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No cable competition here

No worry for the Dsl providers here in Morganton, NC. DSL is the only high speed internet available here.

Cable internet was tried on the municipally owned system, but it failed miserably. The suits who had the power to decide how to implement broadband were totally un informed on any technical issues, and failed to seek any information from parties who were not involved in the process. The only information provided to the suits was from the employees of the cable system, and the companies bidding for the contract.

Failure resulted due to a number or reasons:
1. It was a one way system, dialup was necessary for upload.
2. It was priced at $49.95, just like DSL.
3. It was under publicized and improperly marketed, little newspaper or radio advertising, no mailouts (not even bill inserts), only telemarketing was done.
4. The office employees of the cable system had no information about the service, no pricing, not even a telephone number for customers to contact if they wanted the service. The response when I asked about it was that I would have to wait for a telephone sales rep to call me, because they were calling all cable subscribers over a 30 day period.

At the end of the initial contract with the city, one year later, the contractor pulled out without requesting a renewal. Grapevine information said they had less than ten subscribers. That may be an unfounded rumor, but that is the story I have heard from several sources.
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Juke Box
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Bar & Grill

Re: No cable competition here

I believe I read this story somewhere.

So Bellsouth has you stuck at ADSL 256 upload only while the rest of ADSL world can host games? Interesting
[text was edited by author 2003-07-08 11:34:45]

dvd536
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Re: No cable competition here

said by Juke Box See Profile:
I believe I read this story somewhere.

So Bellsouth has you stuck at ADSL 256 upload only while the rest of ADSL world can host games? Interesting
Most DSL's upload is 128kbps unless you are springing for more than $100/mo to get better upload rates.
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Speedy8
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SBC

I'm glad I got in on the 6Mbit SBC deal for $99 a month while I could, it's sweet. Been a happy camper since I got it. Far better than my cable ever was, even when roadrunner was uncapped it wasn't as good or reliable as my DSL.

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Re: SBC

1) Your $99 deal will go up to $179, and 2) You must live very near a CO because hardly anyone can get those speeds.... but congrats anyway.

If SBC hadn't blocked them, I'd of had DSL with those speeds down and 1.5 up for about $60 back in 1997.

I love SBC. They are so awesome. They rule. I love giving them tons of money, for minimal services. Ah!
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Re: SBC

Where are you getting the information that the $99 deal is going up to $179? In the Ameritech region, the non-promotional rate for this package is $139.95. A year from now, it may be higher or may be lower.

KrK
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Re: SBC

I stand corrected. The rate used to be $179, my bad. Looks like it's $140 now.

dvd536
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How about . . .
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Better upload rates? theres more to broadband than just downloading. people have been griping about upload rates for years yet nobody is listening. the main average STILL is around 128kbps
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Alliance, OH
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Yeah really, I've always been a strong advocate of greater upload speeds. Slow upload speeds is really hurting new technology like bit torrent, as well as making sending high quality digital video to family members unrealistic over the internet. Unless they want to wait a really long time.
tdkyo

join:2002-12-07
Rochester, NY

DSL > Cable in my area

I think TimeWarner is preventing my DSL company to advertise the service in TV. (Roadrunner and TimeWarner are very close) While majority of the people in my town is on RR, I am on a better service. 3000 kbs down and 128 kbs up for $40! Screw cable.
sd70mac666

join:2003-06-05
Saint Albans, VT

Re: DSL > Cable in my area

Screw cable is right I investigated DSL after tons of outages with me on cable and it's been good for me so far

aztecnology
O Rly?
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
·Verizon FIOS

said by tdkyo See Profile:
I think TimeWarner is preventing my DSL company to advertise the service in TV. (Roadrunner and TimeWarner are very close)
It's the same company, Roadrunner is TimeWarner's ISP
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ

Re: DSL > Cable in my area

maybe its just a futile point. dsl simply cant compete with cable. here theres a Cox cable ad on in at least every 20 minutes. Where are you Qwest? why blow money on advertising an inferior product (slower, not available everywhere, distance issues, expensive). Cable has nothing to fear from DSL, they are only losing ad revenue.
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tdkyo

join:2002-12-07
Rochester, NY

Re: DSL > Cable in my area

said by dvd536 See Profile:
maybe its just a futile point. dsl simply cant compete with cable. here theres a Cox cable ad on in at least every 20 minutes. Where are you Qwest? why blow money on advertising an inferior product (slower, not available everywhere, distance issues, expensive). Cable has nothing to fear from DSL, they are only losing ad revenue.

Hmmmm, the only thing I see in the user's opinion on Cox cable is complaint on speed caps because they are running p2p applications.(In which some of them are not) The only thing that cable can "improve" is it's speeds by adding more fat wires to their back-bone while in DSL, scientists can study and improve DSL technology. (VDSL > T3)

Marilla
I Am My Own Arbiter
Premium
join:2002-12-06
Belpre, OH

Catchy Title Here

hooo wheeee!!

I love the debates that spawn from these posts!

All I know is, in my area, our 'national' cable company has been raising prices and lowering bandwidth, while our DSL provider has been lowering prices and raising bandwidth, and the 'small fry' cable-company has been standing put, in the middle of the two, value-wise. And in both the big cable and DSL providers' cases, these are NATIONAL policies... some people mention that cable companies charge less in areas with Competition... sorry, but Charter in our area, with CAS as competition, isn't lowering prices.. they are just going up. Perhaps, though, that's because Charter still enjoys a much greater area in which they are able to get cable service to.

Welp, that's it for me... you all git back to your nitpicking and arguing about who is screwin' who!

PeteC2
Got Mouse?
Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-20
Bristol, CT
clubs:
·AT&T Yahoo

It's still Location, Location, Location....

Been on SBC DSL, generic package at 1500/128 for a year and one half now. Not the fastest service on the block, but the price, stability and service has been top-notch.

My dad has cable (different part of the state), also a 1500/128 service...stable, reliable, great service.

They're priced within a couple of bucks of each other...which is better? IMHO, it's a draw. Some places have mediocre DSL, due to either distance from CO/RT, or the provider involved. Some places have mediocre cable service, due to number of customers per node, or again, the provider involved. That's why you see such a wide range on "opinions" on which is better.
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2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

PRICING IS IRRELEVANT.

Until they start to deploy it, no price will be low enough.

aztecnology
O Rly?
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: PRICING IS IRRELEVANT.

said by 2farfromCO7 See Profile:
Until they start to deploy it, no price will be low enough.
Then it's not a matter of price, merely location (can I get it where I'm at) if it's available you'll pay for it...

When you finally get dsl, will you invite all of us over for the celebration soiree..
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2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

Re: PRICING IS IRRELEVANT.

When did I ever say it was a matter of price?

aztecnology
O Rly?
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: PRICING IS IRRELEVANT.

said by 2farfromCO7 See Profile:
When did I ever say it was a matter of price?
Gee I dunno...The title of your thread

If SBC offered it to you at just about any price, I think you would still get it, whether it was the current deal of $29.99 or $69.99... maybe even $99.99, after all you live in an extemely wealthy inner-urban apartment complex...
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
Premium
join:2001-07-19
Merrimack, NH

The right to guaranteed results

From the article:

"Phone companies could see the demand (for broadband), but the dial-up Internet business was very good for them," said Jim Penhune, an analyst at market research firm Strategy Analytics. "It drove up demand for second phone lines."

So... They saw the writing on the wall, decided to ignore it and be complacent because business was good... and now they're holding their breath to get more after the FCC gave them what they wanted, and they're still whining about regulation.

I'd love to see what happens to anyone who demands himself into a corner, threatening us with severe sulking: Let's regulate CABLE so they are on the same footing as DSL, and see what new and creative excuse these prima donnas come up with.
blacksurfer

join:2002-07-14
Sherman Oaks, CA

Fast Access lite for $24??

Can't find the official link for Bell South new low price DSL for $24.95. Anybody have it?

BS

aztecnology
O Rly?
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: Fast Access lite for $24??

said by blacksurfer See Profile:
Can't find the official link for Bell South new low price DSL for $24.95. Anybody have it?

BS
The BS site says $35...
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hnelson2

join:2003-06-30
Vermillion, SD

Get it straight on SBC contracts and pricing

Heres the deal folks the prices for DSL through SBC is 29.95 for basic and standard, 39.95 for deluxe, and 99 for expert on the promotional plan. The month to month rates right now are 39.95 for basic, 49.95 for standard, 59.95 for deluxe, and 139 for expert. However at the end of your term you can sign up for whatever the promotional offer is at the time, in fact sbc will contact you to give you this option. These prices are not going up because of the high level of competition in the high speed market. And as far as cable goes I would say anyone paying 40+ per month for an oversaturated market in which your supposed high speeds are being sucked up by your neighbors who share your bandwidth is a fool, but more power to you.

2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

Re: Get it straight on SBC contracts and pricing

The ONLY REASON the RBOCs need to offer such extreme promotions is because they don't have nearly the customer base to sell to that cable does as the availabilit is far less. They simply aren't playing with a full deck. It's costing them more money to fewer people just to find out that cable modems already have all of their potential customers signed up. Meanwhile they miss the specific locations that don't have cable modems. I don't care if the price goes to $9.95/month, cable will still dominate becaue of availability.
jordanair

join:2000-08-15
Wylie, TX

JA

I have heard some really harsh comments about the Regional Bells .. I happen to work for SBC and since I want broadband and will not ever do dialup again Iam forced to use a cable setup. My connection has been very stable except for a couple of outages. I was not too impressed by the support personnell because they could not even tell me if there was a network problem, but since service shortly afterwards I can't complain, where I can complain is the price $50.00 amount after purchaceeing the cable modem,(SBC give it to ya for free). I have had SBC DSL both with Ameritech and Southwestern Bell, and I enjoyed very good connections and speed, I can honestly say that I can't remember an outage. The point I'm getting to is that both technologies have their strong point and if managed correctly will give the desired results, broadband internet and reliable. I would like to know though what make the Telco's so evil and not the Cable companies...and Oh yeah the Telco's are basically required to support the expensive ISDN, which cost the Telco from $900.00 to $2000.00 to condition a line for it. Case in point a business customer and SBC were sued buy the customer's employee because SBC could not supply them with ISDN @ thier house without adding a repeater'd line....end result SBC footed the bill of $2000.00 for the repeatered line and about $900.00 to remove any load coils and bridgetap.. and she still may had problems on it. I guess we could have built a switch within a mile of her house. Sorry for being so long winded, but some of use should not take this so personal, if you are a die hard cable guy and can't get what you want from the telco then stick with Cable no matter the price scheme, but I will only have broadband , if DSL becomes avail here I will drop Cable in a heart beat..

Flibbetigibbet

@lmco.com

Cable vs. Bells? Some choice!

Heck, I don't pick favorites here--I think the Bells and cable companies ALL suck.

Semi-seriously, if BellSouth (my own lovable monopoly) was really interested in 'customer service,' they'd give me the option to drop my POTS and just have a DSL line. Since they won't, my only option is to keep paying their outrageous local service fees ($29/month in suburban Atlanta--for the same no-frills 'service' I paid $15 for in Florida) on top of monthly DSL charges, or switch to Charter cable. And I really hate cable companies.

Talk about being between a rock and a lousy ISP. How well is that satellite broadband doing these days...?

st4t1c
Nihilist.
Premium
join:2004-10-03
Boulder Creek, CA

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