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Your PC is full of parasites!
(old news - 01:08PM Friday Jun 27 2003)
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If you are a typical web user then you probably have no time to keep up with all the different ways that spyware, malware and other nastyware sneaks past your browser and onto your hard drive. If you are on broadband, depending on how your PC is used, you may well have accumulated in a month nasties that a modem user may take a year to catch. Bad News!

Unfortunately straight anti-virus programs, such as the ones that litter the top 10 software lists, are just pathetic at digging out spyware and malware. Instead, you will need to run a scan tool. Then a remove tool. The results might be eye-opening. Try HiJack This (this tool just shows everything, further analysis of the log by experts is required - read the quick start guide!) or Trojan Hunter or Spybot S&D (both of these tools identify known malware, thus are easier to use, but may not catch everything at all times). Plain google is also useful if you spot the name of something (running, loaded, or primed to run), and wish to identify exactly what it is yourself.

These spyware scanners are clearly bleeding edge software: frequently updated and fighting a running battle against the most malicious code injected via microsoft explorers "helpful" programmer interfaces.

Mr Norton doesn't care enough about this area yet, so there is no "one size fits all" product, nor is it always obvious how to disinfect: if you need advice on the best removal tool for some particularly resistant spyware then post in our security forum.

For those reading that never get spyware, malware, or trojans .. post your own "safe browsing" policies, lets see if they are really adequate.

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Brianv5
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edited

Some people

Its never going to be enough.. should have a disclaimer when getting online "SURF AT YOUR OWN RISK"

oh.. .. .. 1ST!
[text was edited by author 2003-06-27 13:13:32]

toronto2001
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Re: Some people

Don't download or visit sites that you have no clue about!
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B
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Re: Some people

That's not a great solution. It would kind of make the web as we know it break down, you know?

We should be able to trust our browsers to provide a safe read-only experience. I know that IE users CAN'T at present, but still...

I do agree with you about the "download" part, though. One is responsible for whatever one specifically downloads and executes from a remote site, and in that case your rule applies.

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Barney Google

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"Don't download or visit sites that you have no clue about!"

But they're often the most interesting!

IGGY
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I really wish the mods would put a big ole stop to this 1st crap - grow up people we could care less if your so elite to be the 1st post!!:(
My antivirus has actually proven very well against spyware etc. Kaspersky has a good track record with spyware and with trojans. But it's still good to have some sort of backup protection that deals with just this type of threat - such as SpyBot Search and Destroy. A multi-layered approach to security is always best. But honestly some people just don't care or perceive that if they get infected it will cause them or anyone else harm.
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Re: Some people

tru dat.
A friend who does a lot of "home shopping" on the internet had a PC that was so overloaded with malware they were fighting each other for control of the mouse. It was a mess. But the parcels keep arriving, so it was difficult to explain why this was a Bad Thing.

Brianv5
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Whaaaa

asdfdfdf

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"I really wish the mods would put a big ole stop to this 1st crap"

Seems harmless to me.
bigbeartech
Goo?

join:2001-09-23
Saint Louis, MO

As an internet support tech

I can vouch for that...

The biggest culprate is kazaa, but we know about others and go through and suggest to do a search on google for "remove spyware" or direct to the lavasoft site.

The issue is a big headache for ISPs, they have to tell people why they are getting pop-ups, spam, and tell them why their inet browsing is slowing down. They generally think it is the ISP causing all this, education is the key.

It costs money to fix this crap, yet its not illegal.

Doctor Four
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Re: As an internet support tech

While regular Kazaa is perhaps the single most parasite
infested piece of software out there, there is another
(also P2P) that is just as bad. That is iMesh. People
download these two without realizing what unwanted
baggage comes with them (clicking through EULAs without
reading them first), and they wonder why their computers
seem to grind almost to a halt. Then they bother their
ISP's tech support.
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Viggen93
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Check the alternatives!!

Mozilla Firebird. Just don't use IE, and don't change the agent type to be IE, force site devolopers to realise that there are other browsers out there.
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melkoloran

@rr.com

Re: Check the alternatives!!

Absolutely. Firebird, even at only version .6 and without ActiveX support, is easily the best browser I've used.

lazarus_

join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU

3 easy solutions

1)Get a firewall
2)get a virus scanner that is on 24/7 and set to auto scan 1 a week in the middle of the night.
3) Get adware or smilar spyware removal tools.

Now sites cant easily mess w/ your pc's... (and try to keep your software/OS updated regularely..)

PeteC2
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Re: 3 easy solutions

Yes, the "trifecta"! Anyone on broadband should have these three things, and you'll seldom have any problems. They are not expensive, and often, free. Please note: The firewall and virus scanner need to run whenever your computer is on! I know a lot of folks who have adequate programs, but, don't have them "autoload" upon boot!
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Smokey
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Where can i get adware at, i tried the link above and got a bad site?

spike852
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Re: 3 easy solutions

Try this link

I use Ad-aware and it seems to work great (also have an Anti-virus and a firewall software as well as NAT).
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lazarus_

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Resolute, NU

Re: 3 easy solutions

If you setup Zonealarm to accept 1st person cookies only you should be set.. I just scanned my pc w/ the new adware definition list and I had no spyware. (been over 2weeks since last scan).
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dvd536
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Re: 3 easy solutions

said by lazarus_ See Profile:
If you setup Zonealarm to accept 1st person cookies only you should be set.. I just scanned my pc w/ the new adware definition list and I had no spyware. (been over 2weeks since last scan).

Try spybot S&D. its updated far more often than adaware is and its free.
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FauxReal

join:2001-12-11
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Re: 3 easy solutions

I use both spybot S&D and Ad-Aware as they both seem to catch things the other doesn't.

I also copy the hosts file from »pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/

It basically has the hostnames of most known ad/spyware servers redirected to localhost. Though I've lately seen a new tactic which is for these spyware/adware companies to point directly to numeric IPs instead of hostnames.

I really wish there was a automatic rejection feature for activex scripts from certain companies or w/ whatever specified signature.

NewLife
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said by lazarus_ See Profile:
1)Get a firewall
2)get a virus scanner that is on 24/7 and set to auto scan 1 a week in the middle of the night.
3) Get adware or smilar spyware removal tools.

Now sites cant easily mess w/ your pc's... (and try to keep your software/OS updated regularely..)
Also if you go to »www.wilderssecurity.net and download the spywareguard (free) it will notify you when spyware tries to get on your system. I also use the other Wilder Prods such as Spyware Blaster and MRU Blaster. Great prods for privacy concerned users.
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pmnova

join:2001-12-13
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I agree but most comp. users are ignorent of the dangers. while most ISPs try to educate their customers it would be more cost effective if they included the software (even limited ones) with their services and passed the cost to the customers

lazarus_

join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU

Re: 3 easy solutions

I think that most ISP's should include a brochure for new subscribers/a place on their site dedicated to security.
-host files,firewall,virus scanner, adware remover ect..

This is all good and sounds easy enough for ISP's to do at firts glance but the problem is what software to advertise and what will the ISP get in return.. If an ISP could get free liscenses (or very cheap) for the whole package then I'm sure ISP's would start doing this..

lazarus_

join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU

Re: 3 easy solutions

dont forget updates..

DenverDialup

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said by lazarus_ See Profile:
1)Get a firewall
2)get a virus scanner that is on 24/7 and set to auto scan 1 a week in the middle of the night.
3) Get adware or smilar spyware removal tools.
Works for me. I've got ZoneAlarm, Norton AntiVirus, Ad-aware 6, and SpyBot Search and Destroy all installed on my computer. I make sure they are all updated continually. To date (as reported by my spyware removal programs) I have not had any problems. Popups are not an issue, as they are blocked by ZoneAlarm. This seems to keep my KaZaA downloading fairly safe.

I've also found it important to disable the Windows XP built-in MessageApp service...apparently some sites were using it to push ad messages automatically to my IP.
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sleuth
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Chicago, IL

Ugh spyware

I can't believe how much spyware and adware I get even though I don't dl all that trash off the internet. This sucks.
hescominsoon

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Re: Ugh spyware

use another browser than IE first of all....secondly i jsut built an old linux box with mandrake 9.1..mysql srver for my wife to put her recipies in..when i ahve it online i surf with mozilla..no spyware problems there..:)
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sleuth
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Re: Ugh spyware

So the best alternative to IE is MoZilla? Are there any pics for this browser?

Spike401
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Labrador

Re: Ugh spyware

Click for full size
heres one,
Goldman

join:2002-06-21
Maumelle, AR
Just go to Mozilla.org

It's great. It also blocks pop ups.

Doctor Dan
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MacParasites?

"Trojan Hunter" invokes images of a frat boy desperately rifling though empty free condom boxes at Student Health on a Friday afternoon.

Seriously though, I wonder what these "infectious disease" issues are for Macs. I've never noticed a problem with malware, etc. Of course, I have a hardware firewall and I am not in the habit of downloading tons of junk (especially executables) via the Internet.

- Dan
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Re: MacParasites?

Exactly, Dr Dan. It's one of the reasons my first computer purchase was a Mac, and I've happily stayed with them since. NO worries about spyware, malware, trojans, etc. etc. Yes, I keep the firewall and virus scanner up-to-date just in case. Still the Mac is practically immune to that crap even without them.

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Doctor Dan
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edited
What "lack of software?" I've got everything I need.

- Dan
[text was edited by author 2003-06-28 01:29:31]
11337845
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Re: MacParasites?

Well, you won't have anymore IE updates for one..... plus, even if you do get a Windows emulator to run, your system is sluggish..... hardly any game support... it may appeal to your needs, but for the masses, it's no good, which means in the long run, you'll have to go with PC's when Apple finally gives up....

mr_mollusk

@or.b

Re: MacParasites?

Nobody is getting IE updates anymore...

Microsoft is gonna fold IE deeper into the OS. I wish theyd get around to properly supporting the PNG graphics format while theyre at it.

I will give you this, the main reason I stick with my windows computer is because of the price of hardware and the amount of fun games.

I really wish they still made Logic Audio Platinum for windows though. If I could afford it, I would build Macintosh computer for more stable music production.

Oh yeah, can someone explain why virus writers have attacked Apache and IIS servers as well as Cisco routers if the # of computers is the main reason for making a virus? More zombies on a mac or windows pc would be beneficial to a DoS attacker.

Doctor Dan
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Well, if Apple ever "gives up," I'll just have to use my Linux box more...

- Dan
11337845
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Re: MacParasites?

Touche!
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Therion256

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Acton, MA

Some suggestions/advice for IE


There is always the option of disabling ActiveX scripting and active scripting for the Internet. Create a list of trusted sites which you know and trust not to use malicious Active-X controls (which are a major source of drive-by downloads like Xupiter and the like.) Pull down Tools/Internet Options/Security tab in IE to get the low-down on the options available to you. For general Internet zone, I shut off all forms of active scripting, which includes ActiveX ("Craptive-X"), JavaScript (bye-bye popup ads.) I know it's a pain to do this initially, but after encountering my third incident of having Xupiter installed, I put my foot down and decided that nothing gets on my computer without my knowing it. Eventually, your Trusted Sites list will encompass all the sites you go to on a daily/semi-daily basis and you won't have to do so much of this until you go to a site you've never heard of...

Also, employ a software firewall like Sygate which can tell you if a malicious app is trying to send info out over the internet.

For email, there is an Outlook Express option under Tools/Options/Security to put email under Restricted Zone.
Don't accept any emails with .pif, .com, .exe, .scr file attachments. Shut off that preview pane, and if you see a an email from a stranger (especially with a "paperclip" attachment), right-click on it, and view the message properties to get an idea of what you're about to get yourself into...better yet, just delete unexpected messages from strangers.

Therion256

asdfdfdf

@xtraport.net

Re: Some suggestions/advice for IE

Exactly!

It is important for people to understand that a firewall is not going to stop a lot of malware activity because it is able to attach itself as browser helper objects, etc. As long as you allow your browser/port 80 traffic much of this stuff will slip through.

Also understand that simply not using ie doesn't necessarily protect you, because the underlying engine for ie is in the OS and is utilized by other applications and some 3rd party browsers.

Also, although anti-virus is a must have, it isn't the tool to deal with spyware.

One of the best things you can do, as pointed out above, is to shut down scripting support, activeX etc.
It is a myth that you need this to be able to browse the net.
As therion pointed out everyone using ie(and there are similar capabilities with other browsers) should be taking full advantage of the ability to create security zones. Your general internet zone should be higher security. In my case I don't allow any activex, java, scripting operations, or cookies.
Then, for those sites where you really need these things(such as an online bank) set up a lower security profile for your trusted zone and only add those sites you trust to that zone.
Occasionally you will come across a site where you really can't easily construct the proper url or google to get an url deeper into the site. In these instances you will of course have to decide whether it is worth adding to your trusted list. In most such instances I simply go elsewhere. There is plenty to see somewhere else. I'm inclined to say "piss off!" to any site that requires me to open up the security in my browser just to get in and look around.

If you do this and you watch what freeware/shareware you install most of your problems will disappear. Ad-aware is certainly useful and one should use it, but the goal is to keep this shit from getting onto your system in the first place.

Also I want to put in a vote for opera as browser.

TR

join:2002-12-15
USA

Re: Some suggestions/advice for IE

I would like to set up different security zones for Internet Explorer. However,when I set the general internet zone to high on the custom level and then put my bank website in the trusted zone, it won't allow me to log in. Also, when I try to open up my McAfee Security Center for online virus scans it says, "Your current security settings prohibit running ActiveX controls on this page." The page then doesn't display properly for me to run the antivirus. Is there any way around these problems that is reasonably convenient?
Thanks,
Tim

asdfdfdf

@xtraport.net

Re: Some suggestions/advice for IE

Doublecheck that you didn't set the trusted zone security level above the low default.
When you enter a site in the trusted list enter the host name only, not an entire url or path. You can also uncheck the https require server verification checkbox.

The most likely cause of your problems is that you are being sent to a different host to login. For example, you might enter www.mybank.com and be sent to login.mybank.com (or to a number of possible hosts decided on the fly by the site). You will have to enter those host names in your trusted list as well.

If you find yourself having to enter an enormous number of host names manually you should also be able to enter a domain name with wildcards like *.mcafee.com, but I would only do this as a last resort if the irritation is too great.

You need a similar procedure for entering your mcafee hosts in the trusted list.

If you have entered them properly you should see the trusted sites icon in bottom right corner of the browser window.

This can be a bit of a nuisance at first, since larger sites will shuttle you around through a number of host machines, but you only have to fight this once.

If you are still having trouble you might want to ask for help in the security forum here.
systems2000
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Is This Secure Enough?


I Never take it for granted (always looking for more ways to secure even tighter). My systems are being checked on a monthly basis with Ad-Aware & Spy-Bot, have Pest Patrol running continuously (updated twice a day), use CAI AV, Referrer disabled, cookies disabled in mail, IE is locked down, worked my way through the "Security Forum", Personal Zone Alarm continuously runs, use SMC Barricade router w/ NAT active, IM is locked down, Software is checked weekly for updates and patches, use Hosts File, and since Netscape is my primary browser (Opera is secondary) my cookie settings are:
    •"Site has no privacy policy: rejected"•"Site collects personally identifiable information without my consent; 1st Party: flag / Third Party: reject"•"Site collects personally identifiable information with only your implicit consent; 1st Party: session / Third Party: flag"•"Site does not collect personally identifiable information without your explicit consent; session"

Dei Gratia

@cable.rogers

Re: Is This Secure Enough?

Netscape had or does have a tracker built in and opera was found to have too many holes. I do almost the same as you. I'm not on the net as often yet I run Spybot almost every second time I use the net and sometimes after strange posts through newsgroups.
I have three programs total for each 3 antivirus and three malware and spyware and guess what there ere a few unknowns still found.

Privacy settings are a must with IE and knowing your lockdown and boltdown differences of your OS is so important.

Keep adamant....

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Varangian

join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL

the Ultimate spyware repellent :FORMAT

Regular purging of your system keeps the newdotnet away.
I like to reformat my hard drive and re-install my OS every calendar quarter.
I have added the double barreled measure of both spybot AND spysweeper as well.
Even with my Draconian measures it was a shock to see the results of the first sweep!

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Re: the Ultimate spyware repellent :FORMAT

Will that make you reformat once a month now?

Would you also like to be the Microsoft poster child for the unix forum?

Varangian

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I wish i could boot from an archive OS copy every time.
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cyberthugin

join:2002-03-12
Kew Gardens, NY

Hmmm

As long as your on a windows platform running ie with active scripting enable.
Your screwed~

RickNY
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Re: Hmmm

Spyware? Whats that?

major marco
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edited

1 Part Common Sense, 2 Parts Paranoia

If you have a broadband connection then this is proof-positive that you do a fair amount of surfing, moreso than your average dial up yokel. This fact alone exposes you to the more scary parts of the net. I've always lived by a simple rule of thumb: A healthy dose of paranoia goes a long way in securing your pc.
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[text was edited by author 2003-06-27 20:34:08]

Nanoprobe
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edited

Mortal Combat

Let me see.I have spyware guard,spyware blaster,ad-aware,spybot and norton2003 internet security on my computer and firewall protection on my router.Is that enough? :
[text was edited by author 2003-06-27 20:59:05]

gnucleus7
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edited

overkill is not enough!

A linksys with NAT, going into a Linux proxy server with MNF into the Win2k desktop with TDS-3,Diamond Wormguard,Port Explorer,Trojan Hunter and Norton 2003 Internet Security. The machine is set up to dual boot into windows or linux. I'm installing Evil Entity and will use eudora as the mail client and Mozilla for the browser when I'm on line looking for "stuff". :-P
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[text was edited by author 2003-06-27 21:39:54]

detth
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Astoria, NY

Re: overkill is not enough!

try having a checkpoint firewall on the outside, followed by ms ISA server doing web filtering / firewalling the inside on top of all the software running on the workstations
Surfrat

join:2003-06-29
Daytona Beach, FL

It's Never Enough

Eventually we will all be running so many anti-spam/virus/trojan/worm/etc. that we will have used up every last system resource we have, and not even be able to open IE.

Nombre

@loudcloud.com

Wha?

I installed AdAware onto my friend's comp, set it to deep scan, and after 40 minutes or so it reported more than 800 spyware/malware/adware programs, installers, cookies, etc. on his comp! I think he had just about every commonly known spywares I have ever seen on one puter. I haven't even used Spybot Search N Destroy on it yet. It's still good to have multiple scanners for spyware and viruses.

opera fan

@mindspring.com

Opera is teriffic

Opera has some really wonderful features ( security and otherwise). The only drawback is that therer are a small number of sites that won't work with it.I have two out of MANY!

HDawg

@attbi.com

Spyware crap

Use Netscape or Mozilla as your browser to eliminate the activex threat (both are free, www.netscape.com and www.mozilla.org), they are pretty much identical in function and I couldn't be happier with them. For spyware I bought spy guardian pro for 20 bones (from www.softdd.com), I've been real happy with it.

MacintoshComputerHWS

@attbi.com

Re: Spyware crap

I don't know if you all are aware but The Macintosh OS is now MADE BY MICROSOFT.............do a little of research before you praise the mac os and bash microsoft

TechnicalSupportRep

@attbi.com

Screw MACINTOSH

Who would want to get ripped for a mac. They are expensive, annoying, slow, and plain out suck. I am a tech support for one of the Major 3 PC manf. (I aint tellin which one) and mac users switch to PC and think their in a foreign third world country that has no english. Macs suck and MAC OS X is indeed made by microsoft behind yalls back

1337_N1663R

@adelphia.net

Well

I have ad-aware and Norton and it protects me very well. I go on any site and at the end of the day run a scan and fix everything that is wrong.
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