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Meridianville, AL | Re: I was about to suggest this today. I would buy what I like for sure. Bravo to Pearl Jam for making the move. | |
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Belpre, OH | Re: Where Heck.. I don't even really like Pearl Jam all THAT much, but I've watched the things they've done over the last few years with increasing interest, and I say "Hats Off" to them! | |
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Maumelle, AR | Re: $Dollar sez...... Of course the RIAA will fight this. It's never been about the artist. It's about MONEY, pure and simple.
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| Re: $Dollar sez...... said by Goldman  :
Of course the RIAA will fight this. It's never been about the artist. It's about MONEY, pure and simple.
What about their old stuff? Will they be selling this as well or will whoever their record company was stop it because they own the copyright?
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Pirate515
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About time.....hope the RIAA doesn't pull/throw some legal monkey wrench in the works, then again that would show the RIAA for what it really is..............just my thoughts.
Unless Pearl Jam's contract with their label is still in effect (but if it was I don't think they would have pulled off the above in the first place), the only thing RIAA can do is KISS THEIR ASSES.
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Pirate515
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| Re: . said by C_ :
Now if a band that was actually good would do something like this.
Believe it or not, they still have a pretty big audience. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that nobody does. I'm not a big fan of them myself (or rock in general), but I sure praise them for what they did.
As far as other bands go, give it some time, and you will see more and more follow the lead. The more sales RIAA member labels keep on losing, the more they will keep pissing off their artists, resulting in more and more artists walking from them to greener prospects.
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DSLTech
join:2000-12-30
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| actually they had some good songs in the past. lately its been pretty mediocre.
i like pearl jam for what eddie believes in anyway.
remember, these days "good music" is what the radio tells you is good music, or what the industry brainwashes you with.
i'm tired of cheesy pop and hip-hop stuff thats been thrust down our throats ever since people started becoming entirely too materialistic in the late 90's and during the internet boom.
now with the current economical situation people arent going to be so easy to please and music tastes will migrate to more meaningfull tunes, rather than just britney spears and ricky martin fluff. | |
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gogeta6
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But maybe I will listen to them a little more favorably in the future even though I'm not a fan of theirs. Sort of the opposite of how I can't stand gaytallica ever since they helped take down napster. Not like it wouldn't have happened w/o their help. | |
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Mark
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Woo..
I'm ahead, I'm a man
I'm the first mammal to wear pants, yeah
I'm at peace with my lust
I can kill 'cause in God I trust, yeah
It's evolution, baby
I'm at piece, I’m the man
Buying stocks on the day of the crash
On the loose, I'm a truck
All the rolling hills, I’ll flatten’ em out, yeah
It's herd behavior, uh huh
It's evolution, baby
Admire me, admire my home
Admire my song, here's my coat
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
This land is mine, this land is free
I'll do what I want but irresponsibly
It's evolution, baby
I'm a thief, I'm a liar
There's my church, I sing in the choir:
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Admire me, admire my home
Admire my song, admire my clothes
'Cause we know, appetite for a nightly feast
Those ignorant Indians got nothin' on me
Nothin', why?
Because, it's evolution, baby!
I am ahead, I am advanced
I am the first mammal to make plans, yeah
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher
Twenty-ten, watch it go to fire
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oliphant5
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| It's About Damn Time! I will buy anything Pearl Jam releases on CD or DVD, as long as it is sold on their website. This is how you destroy the RIAA Mafia. You spend your money where it counts.
This is the beginning of a revolution against the crap that is being force-fed to the music consumer.
Regardless of whether you like Pearl Jam or not, you have to give them credit for this bold and daring move. They are making a statement, politically and economically.
Pearl Jam can sell 500,000 CD's at $7.99 a pop and, after expenses, still make millions of dollars. This is bad news for the record companies, good news for the consumer.
In the world of business, you either lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
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| Re: It's About Damn Time! The problem is, only established acts like Pearl Jam can do this.
50% of music now is record label fabricated pop bands. The other half is small bands trying to make their way while being forced to play along with the system. Neither have the liberty of going this route.... | |
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| Re: It's About Damn Time! Well, it's a beginning. All it will take is success to occur, and maybe small bands will copy this.
DIY acts have been doing this (with their own CD's) for years as they know they aren't commercially viable and their audience is small enough to be satisfied with that.
I don't personally like Pearl Jam, but they have balls of steel for trying this.
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TheMadSwede
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| said by Karl Bode :
The problem is, only established acts like Pearl Jam can do this.
You are right on.
Fortunately, once established artists realize how much more money they can make (don't tell me a well-established band needs a label), and how much more (real) freedom they can have by doing this, more of them will actually begin doing it, after they finish their current contracts.
The RIAA's downfall typifies paranoid, mindless modern-day business, run by people over the age of 40 who know a lot about business history, but not a lot about people. These business people can get by selling cars, computers and widgets with ridiculous, selfish business models that are completely void of creativity, but it just doesn't work with something as dynamic as music. Wow - I am bitter.
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| IF this actually works there will be no more "system" to fight, and all these BS corporate hybrid bands will just....GO AWAY.
Won't that just be nice?
I am gonna join the 10 club and buy from their webby just to show my approval as a consumer...THIS is exactly how to make a difference!!!
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Jigsaw
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| said by Karl Bode :
The problem is, only established acts like Pearl Jam can do this.
50% of music now is record label fabricated pop bands. The other half is small bands trying to make their way while being forced to play along with the system. Neither have the liberty of going this route....
Its been done way before them(Pearl Jam)!!!
»www.marillion.com/
They din't Pioneer anything they are just copying but there is nothing wrong with that. | |
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pianotech
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| said by nbfree :
I will buy anything Pearl Jam releases on CD or DVD, as long as it is sold on their website. This is how you destroy the RIAA Mafia. You spend your money where it counts.
This is the beginning of a revolution against the crap that is being force-fed to the music consumer.
Regardless of whether you like Pearl Jam or not, you have to give them credit for this bold and daring move. They are making a statement, politically and economically.
Pearl Jam can sell 500,000 CD's at $7.99 a pop and, after expenses, still make millions of dollars. This is bad news for the record companies, good news for the consumer.
And it MIGHT be good news for Pearl Jam if fans actually buy the music instead of grab it free on KaZaA Lite. Time will tell, right? 
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| said by nbfree :
I will buy anything Pearl Jam releases on CD or DVD, as long as it is sold on their website. This is how you destroy the RIAA Mafia. You spend your money where it counts.
In the world of business, you either lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
Yes, yes, And YES !!!
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cbrigante2
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North Aurora, IL | Ironic! It's funny that as much as the RIAA is the big bad evil conglomerate, the established acts like Pearl Jam owe their fame and clout to the very business model they lament now. | |
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uniquecp
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| Re: Ironic! said by cbrigante2 :
It's funny that as much as the RIAA is the big bad evil conglomerate, the established acts like Pearl Jam owe their fame and clout to the very business model they lament now.
Actually no, there are a lot of performers and bands that sell and release their own stuff and do really well. You do not know about it because, like others, you only see your entertainment through a radio station or through the mass marketing.
This is a step in the right direction, now all they need to do is use this to help other artists get there stuff out as well, and once again maybe the music business will be about music and not money.
By the way the band Steely Dan released 6 albums and were very popular before they ever went radio, they played in a club in Georgetown DC called the Cellar Door as the house band. Very successful and popular long before they became mainstream.
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| I dont think any big artists "OWEs" the RIAA or the industry anything.
I do see your point, however. But, life's a dog-eat-dog world, and if one has to use the RIAA to gain clout and then turn around and criticise it, then by all means, thats what needs to be done. | |
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bandwidthmya
join:2002-02-20
Tempe, AZ
| said by cbrigante2 :
It's funny that as much as the RIAA is the big bad evil conglomerate, the established acts like Pearl Jam owe their fame and clout to the very business model they lament now.
Actually the big bad evil Record Companies hold a monopoly on Radio promotion and other marketing methods, some gray-areas too such as Payola. So the fact that acts like Pearl Jam become successful because of the Record companies lock on the entire music industry is not really that surprising.
What must happen is competition to the major record companies must occur, the internet is providing that avenue. Why does the RIAA want to stifle the internet? Well it threatens their monopolistic business model. Since government, the bribes and influence to politicians too irresistible a force to overcome, will not step in to break-up the strangle hold, Pearl Jam and other musical acts are the vanguard of the new business model. Basically consumers have been jilted out of billions of dollars over the years by the non-competitive behavior of the recording industry. It is time that the Music industry cartel faces competitive market conditions. It will inevitably create better music choices, lower CD prices and more vibrant music scene. | |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
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| It is also possible Pearl Jam have seen the writing on the wall. If they think it makes sense to ditch an RIAA backed record label for fear of a backlash and/or because it means they might actually sell more records then why not.
The RIAA days are numbered and any band with common sense and enough clout will do the same.
Way to go Pearl Jam. You've done good. | |
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cbrigante2
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| Take it easy everyone. I was just pointing out something that I thought was funny about painting Pearl Jam as some sort of working class heros fighting against the big evil profit making record companies. As far as a retort to the responses let me start by saying I'm all for bands to sell their material and profit for themselves. The nirvana comment also brings up a good (possible) point. I don't know much about Pearl Jam but one of the big reasons they got big was Nirvana. Did the people make that choice, or was it the suits at MTV and the radio playlists that made them big? If Steely Dan is the only instance of big ticket fame without the big company push, then I feel it's still premature to say we are informed enough to say we don't need the RIAA at all. Also, I remember Steely Dan winning a "Hard Rock" grammy against a far superior field that year (the other bands were actually hard rock ) and the grammys would be "controlled" by the RIAA as well, so how independent are they...sounds like an industry push to me. | |
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| Re: Ironic! Agreed!
Pearl Jam got shoved down our throats like any other big label act. As a musician I can tell you that there were/are a zillion "Pearl Jams" out there that will never go anywhere in the music business. Which makes the hand biting even sweeter to me.
If you think playing in a local dive is any measure of success, ask any bands loading out of any club what they got paid for playing at that packed club. I can count on one hand the bands that are making great money without major label support. | |
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| Re: Good and all Yes, I found the site pretty much useless as well. Looks like I'd have to fire up some P2P program to find Pearl Jam, try them, and then go back to their site and buy... inconvienent. Radio around here stinks, and I don't have the desire to listen to it 24/7 hoping to hear Pearl Jam. | |
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| I'm a bit confused as well. I'm willing to buy something simply as a show of support.
The tenclub site is tied to sony music. I would guess they still don't have a post sony structure/site in place.
Did you check out this link that you can get to as you dig deeper in the site?
»kapu.doublesecret.net/consume/
It has the bootlegs for the entire concert season on sale, you can buy a set(for a lot of money) or individual concerts and a few other things. As I said, though, this setup is still tied to sony. I don't know what is going on independently yet. The few forums I looked at weren't even talking about this. I find that strange, I would have thought this would have been seen as a big deal.
I wouldn't expect to be able to download songs from their industry releases. I doubt that they have the legal niceties under control to be able to do that. Remember, most bands don't own what they have created. I don't know their particular situation though.
I'm going to keep an eye on this. Everyone who cares about these issues should do their bit to show support and provide a bit of money, if for no other reason than to scare the piss out of the industry. Don't let these opportunities die on the vine. You don't have to be a fan, shower them with some attention anyway.
It's up to the public whether this snowballs into something.
If you want change you have to make some effort.
I hope this site will keep us informed as to how this progresses. After all the depressing news and debates here it would be nice to focus on something productive and exciting. | |
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TheMadSwede
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| Re: Good call! However, will consumers bite? said by Nightfall :
Now, I am wondering if their price will be good enough. I have heard people on this forum and others claim that $1 per song is too much.
The only reason people indicate $1 is too much is because they can already get the music for free. Illegal that's free always beats legal that's cheap (attn all: don't bother to ignite the "it's not really illegal" discussion -- we've all had it too many times).
$1 would match the current pricing structure for CDs. 12 songs, 12 bucks.
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| Re: Good call! However, will consumers bite? said by TheMadSwede :
said by Nightfall :
Now, I am wondering if their price will be good enough. I have heard people on this forum and others claim that $1 per song is too much.
The only reason people indicate $1 is too much is because they can already get the music for free. Illegal that's free always beats legal that's cheap (attn all: don't bother to ignite the "it's not really illegal" discussion -- we've all had it too many times).
$1 would match the current pricing structure for CDs. 12 songs, 12 bucks.
I agree.
I just hear a lot of people saying, "Well, if it is reasonably priced, I would do it." Well, itunes.com is too expensive at $1 a song according to some people. Oh well, we will just have to wait and see if this works out for Pearl Jam.
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| Re: Good call! However, will consumers bite? I think $1 per song is a good deal. You can make a greatest hits album, plus if the CD ever gets damaged you always have the song to remake it again. I wouldn't compare it to a CD price of 12 bucks as you have, owning the MP3 for a buck is a far better deal then buying a $12 CD since it has other advantages. | |
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room200
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TheMadSwede
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| Re: Nothing New said by room200 :
Prince did this a long time ago.
You mean the gimmick formerly known as...
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rit56
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| but Prince didn't have the internet. he made his move before all this technology we have now. I hope it works. they're taking a risk but it's worth it. if it works that's the end of the big labels. what band would want to give a corporation 98% of their money? hopefully it will cripple the national radio stations playing their corporate made bad records. | |
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| Re: Nothing New said by rit56 :
but Prince didn't have the internet.
Sure he did.... npgmusicclub.com. I think The Rainbow Children was his first CD offered as download, later in stores.?.?
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pianotech
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| said by room200 :
Prince did this a long time ago.
Exactly. And sites like mp3.com, IUMA, Artistlaunch.com, etc, have allowed artists to do this for years (market directly to the consumer).
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| Re: Toe Jam......... yes and thank God for that war which we're still fighting and thank God the Bush boys are cutting taxes everywhere and putting the burden on the states who have to raise taxes to compensate for all the lost revenue and my God all the weapons of mass destruction they found.... thank God before they used them against us. (dude there are no weapons, never were). keep believing the lies my friend. God bless the United States, the First Amendment and Pearl Jams right to oppose an unjust war and narrow minded people who under the lies of Patriotism allow a right wing government here in the US strip us of our freedoms and civil rights. by the way I think Pearl Jam is boring but I like that they're not afraid of people like you. good for them for speaking their mind while they still can cause if you read the newspapers you would have read that John Ashcroft is trying to make it a crime to do so..... our Attorney General. even the NRA is against him and certain policies of the Bush boys. the NRA. a real liberal group right? about as far to the right as possible and even they're afraid of this government. | |
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Rit, you have some points, but they belong elsewhere. Plus, you should check your classifications and idioms before posting. | |
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redstepchild
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| This is all about $$$ Think about it.. think about how much they will make due to folks buying their CD because they agree with Pearl Jam..
This was a GREAT marketing tactic.
Very Jerry Springer~I am a proud to be an American so I will buy anything with a US flag on it! LOL
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| Re: This is all about $$$ As someone who loathes jerry springer I take some offense at your comparing people like me to him and his audience.
I'm also offended that you would imply that I am simply the dupe of a marketing strategy. I'm not that stupid.
The only power that the public has is the power to control their wallet, buying from those moving in the right direction and refusing to do business with those who don't. So yes, if this band ends up going it alone(and is one of the few big name acts doing so presently), it is important for the public to make sure that they succeed. Clearly there will be no motivation for others to follow in their footsteps if they fail.
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| wonder who that was. I will make this personal.
1. don't be cheap.. I am sure you can afford to support successful and well run sites like BBreports.
Personally, the publicity alone is worth the money you pay would pay to be a PREMIUM member. »/faq/5156
2. At least get a username. I have to assume you are afraid that your username would put a face to your comments. Come on MR/ MS. "I have something to say but I am going to wear a Grocery bag when I say it.." get a BBreports personality.
3. Folks in the US are easily swayed by what they consider good and bad and do spend money on things that they persive and "a move in the right direction"
Think about all those "Made in the USA" tags in the 80's and 90's
I firmly believe that this will be THE BEST marketing scheme (whether planned or not.. I am not debating that)
and it's appeal will largely hit home with the internet geniuses as most of them are out of the box thinkers who to a degree are all about "F*ck the system... I am going to recreate the wheel just to prove a point"
And the delivery method VIA internet proves that this is the chosen People (demographic) to $$Suport this move.. which they will as end all be all..
We want ALL we can get on the internet cause laying in our beds all day.. drinking a beer and messing with our internet is fun when you are buzzed!
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| Re: To bad they were Anti-American during the Iraq War Anti-American? You mean they trampled over other people's first ammendment right to speak freely against the war?
Ah, I didn't think so. Who exactly was anti-American during the war again? Hey, that'd be YOU.
And you had every right to be anti-American, dissin' their free speech. That's the joy of the system.
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