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Corona, CA | Okay So how many of you guys here are going to flock to Speakeasy to get this 2"x2" concerts? This may have been cool in the mid 80's when Metallica was still Metallica. | |
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| Re: Okay said by oliphant5  :
So how many of you guys here are going to flock to Speakeasy to get this 2"x2" concerts? This may have been cool in the mid 80's when Metallica was still Metallica.
Heh. Yes indeed it would've been cool when they were shacking up in a NYC run down hotel with Anthrax and immediately afterwards, but in recent history Metallica has irreperably stained it's Karma with many a'former fan.
... "For Let it Be Written, For Let it be Done, I'm sent here by the Chosen One... To kill the first born Pharoah Son.... I'm creeeeping deaaath!" ...
Metallica is in the same category as the Backstreet Boys these days in the mind of this former fan; and I did like the band at the time, enough to drive around like a screaming maniac listening to old cassettes.
The Testament ne'er Sold Out. Ozzman Made bigtime dough, and is a happy filthy rich, well medicated zombie kinda father dude these days.. Still never sold his soul to RIAA.
Screw metallica. Speakeasy should know better as I think netizens aren't stupid and Napster was basically a household word. You can follow your own reasoning wherever it leads.. I know I liked Napster for the absolute world-wide diversity of music. I mean I could find Rap from Russia and China, and Ozzy covers from Estonia. Metallica could've simply not signed up for that particular case and let Dr. Dre make his bed with some other foolish band, but they got greedy.
Hence they will never see another cent from me and I did buy a lot of Metallica stuff in the mid 80's..
What the hell was I thinking 
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | Re: Okay Exactly...now that no one gives a sh*t about them...they're everyone's buddy. Screw 'em. | |
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| Re: Okay said by oliphant5 :
Exactly...now that no one gives a sh*t about them...they're everyone's buddy. Screw 'em.
No one cares?? paleeeeez This is one of the most anticipated discs of the year. ST. ANGER friggin rocks and is nothing like the last 3 discs. This album is a return to the old if you will. It is hard angry dark and technically a masterpiece. I would rank this disc in their top 3 and i guarantee the album will hit the top 5 on billboard. | |
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Archivis
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| Metallica Bad Alright. This is Archivis representing Metallica. We want to offer all you internet junkies complete access to view our online concerts and other head-banging goodies online, but we hope that you completely forgot that we really pissed you off back in that whole napster age.
That's all bridge under the water. We can be friends again (can i have your money now?), right?
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| Re: Metallica Bad I was trying to be comical in a mock-representative from metallica. I was pointing out the irony in how metallica wants to now make an online presence when A) Nobody listens to them anymore, and B) they ruined their online appearance when napster was alive.
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| Re: Metallica Bad A) Doubtful since I'm sure there will be millions of their new album sold.
B)Agreed to a point, yes some die hard file sharers hated that they told the truth. While other more casual filesharers, like me, really weren't bothered that they spoke their mind about this.
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| Re: Metallica Bad I have, but I'm not going to say that it was right to do so. Also might want to read my other comment:
said by Me just a few inches above:
B)Agreed to a point, yes some die hard file sharers hated that they told the truth. While other more casual filesharers, like me, really weren't bothered that they spoke their mind about this.
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metalgirl
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| Archivis..you hit it right on the head....
F*ck Metallica!
The "Real Headbangers" don't even want their lame ass commercialized crap anyway.
I wouldn't even waste my time illegally D/L'ing their crap.
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | Re: Metallica Bad So you would switch for say, Sepultura? LOL. | |
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| Re: Metallica Bad Please...I'm 40yrs old...married...own my home... and have kids...
I'm not your "run of the mill" headbanger....
I haven't listened to the radio in years 
Why does Metallica say their new album is going to be like the "old days"?
IMO... they knew they sold out and want to try to get the former fans back... this Speakeasy stuff is all about publicity for them...
Thanks but no thanks...I'll keep my money;)
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| Re: Metallica Bad said by metalgirl :
Please...I'm 40yrs old...married...own my home... and have kids...
I'm not your "run of the mill" headbanger....
I haven't listened to the radio in years
Actually, that sounds like every headbanger I know these days. The only CDs I've bought in ten years is the new FOZZY CDs. | |
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| Re: Metallica Bad said by Nightfall :
Seems that song writers and musicians that stand up and publically say they hate file trading are blacklisted.
You're right about this... and I'll respect any artist that doesn't want their stuff traded... except for Metallica, who, when they were nothing back in the early 80s, wanted people to trade copies of their music... just so that other people would find out about them and buy the albums and come to their shows. I think its somewhat contradictory for a band that made its money by doing this to whine when people still trade their tracks online.
Besides... Metallica is just like every other 80s act trying to make a comeback... they're all washed up and need to retire.
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Norwalk, CA | Re: Metallica Bad Trading with your buddies and family is a bit different than trading with hundreds of thousands of people, don't you think? | |
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| Re: Metallica Bad You're skating on thin ice there, buddy. The application of common sense during yet another completely juvenile and pointless "Napster v. Metallica" argument is dangerous thing to do around here. | |
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pnh102
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| said by Jaime :
Trading with your buddies and family is a bit different than trading with hundreds of thousands of people, don't you think?
I'm not debating that the act of sharing copyrighted works without the consent of the copyright owner is illegal. There is no question that this is illegal. The means by which the material is shared and the number of people you share with also doesn't change the fact that the act of sharing in itself is illegal.
Metallica's approach, though, encouraged people to share their stuff with their friends, who would then share it with their friends, and so on and so forth. If someone did that with Napster, the end result would be similar to what would happen if thousands of people copied Metallica's stuff and distributed it to all their friends by hand. Either way, lots of people would have copies of their music. I just think it was hypocritical for Metallica to be OK with one form of copyright infringement but not the other, that's all.
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| Re: Metallica Bad said by pnh102 :
Either way, lots of people would have copies of their music. I just think it was hypocritical for Metallica to be OK with one form of copyright infringement but not the other, that's all.
For once we agree.... partially. I am still no convinced it's copyright infringement. I have read copyright law time and time again and it doesn't show any solid indication that sharing music, that doesn't generate revenue or profit, is illegal. When you start selling it or making money from it is where you have the problem. That's what got Napster blasted. Remember much of what the RIAA says is what they claim is law. Even with the NET act sharing music is still legal as long as it's under a certain monetary value.
As far as Metallica is concerned they endorsed distribution of their music as long as it's not for profit. Even though copyright law pretty much says the same thing they reinforced it. Lars going back on that, most likely caught up in either greed or propaganda put forth by the RIAA, pretty much throws his entire claim out the window.
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| Yea I remember the first time I heard them, I got a Copied Cassette tape of Master of Puppets and I must have listed to that thing straight for 10 days. I was like WOW! This band rocks and after that i bought every Tape and CD and went to all of their Shows and then when the Napster thing came about and they bitched, I lost faith in them... Oh well mayby they can grab the new Generation, which is generation Z right? | |
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| Yeah I can see both sides of the argument, and I'm not on either side. What they did doesn't bother me, since it doesn't affect me at all, and sharing the files after all IS illegal. But on the other side it's not like I don't download songs, but I DO in fact own all of Metallica's albums. I also own 12 CDs worth of bootleg concerts in MP3 format, but metallica actually doesn't mind bootlegs. Not to say I'll buy the new album if I don't like it, but if I do I just might, you get a lot of stuff for the $13 I've seen it being preordered for. | |
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Hangmn
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| It's as simple as this...IMHO...Melodica was once the quintessential non-success garage band and quite good....Yeah ok illegal file trading..."bad" albeit that aside...I used to own EVERY Metallica album ever stamped out by the music mills...yes I am old.
Metallica started ..nay LARS started a war...Jason Newstead left BECAUSE of Lars' HOLY war. They are simply WASHED up.Their funds were shrinking(not unlike Lars' HAIRLINE)and saw NAPSTER as the cause of their woes.
I will always have a right to use MY PURCHASED music however I choose.Be it compress it...put it on TAPE or stomp on it in my driveway...FAIR USE..I paid I will do WHATEVER I WANT with it.
No I haven't forgotten Metallica's internet silliness and No I won't be watching....
And it figures they would team up with a LAMER ISP like SNEAKSLEAZY who sold out a while back as well...
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| Re: Metallica Bad quote:
I will always have a right to use MY PURCHASED music however I choose.Be it compress it...put it on TAPE or stomp on it in my driveway...FAIR USE..I paid I will do WHATEVER I WANT with it.
What does that have to do with anything? Sending songs to other people for free isn't fair use if that's what you were referring to. If not, then WTF were you referring to? | |
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| Re: Metallica Bad Its real simple...I have bought MORE music being able to sample it.
Simply put Melodica shot themselves in the a$$.
If the RIAA and Metallica was a front for them then as now...would EMBRACE technology and quit trying to milk the public for every penny they would probably be making their "PROSPECTED" income.
And by the way p2p is for the i-net illiterate.
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| Headbanging? If you've heard any of the recent Metallica? The only thing you'll be banging your head against is a brick wall trying to ease the suffering of such terrible music. Though I do commend them trying to take technology and embracing it instead of doing what the corporations do which is fight it until they've lost and then buy it with their money and claim to have been there from the beginning. So sorry Metallica, I won't be buying anything recent from you, but kudos for being the guinee pigs that will later be disposed of when the timing is profitable to do so.
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| Re: Headbanging? said by Maxo :
If you've heard any of the recent Metallica? The only thing you'll be banging your head against is a brick wall trying to ease the suffering of such terrible music. Though I do commend them trying to take technology and embracing it instead of doing what the corporations do which is fight it until they've lost and then buy it with their money and claim to have been there from the beginning. So sorry Metallica, I won't be buying anything recent from you, but kudos for being the guinee pigs that will later be disposed of when the timing is profitable to do so.
Amen to that.
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| Re: Headbanging? said by ATLJ :
said by Maxo :
If you've heard any of the recent Metallica? The only thing you'll be banging your head against is a brick wall trying to ease the suffering of such terrible music. Though I do commend them trying to take technology and embracing it instead of doing what the corporations do which is fight it until they've lost and then buy it with their money and claim to have been there from the beginning. So sorry Metallica, I won't be buying anything recent from you, but kudos for being the guinee pigs that will later be disposed of when the timing is profitable to do so.
WTF...No way..the new sh!t rocks..harder, faster and heavier than anything they have done since Master!! And they are still the BEST live band around.
Yeah -- I heard NSYNC's newest CD rocks like that too!
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| Lars, Lars, Lars.... *Shakes head in disappointment* The only reason why Metallica took off in the first place was because of bootlegging. People would show up at their concerts and dance hall performances and tape the live shows. The tapes circulated around - from person to person, duplicated and reduplicated. Eventually sheer demand for their music helped them get to where they are today. The foundation of which was all built upon by the simple word of mouth from bootleggers...
Then you actively participate in the RIAA's efforts to smack the back of everyone's hands that even thought about touching Napster - condemning the very same spirit and people that put you where you are to this day.
We still have to buy high priced music to get to this secret vault, and even then...Jeepers man. Have you listened to yourself or your band today? "Classic Metallica" - before the "Black Album" was pretty damn cool. You lost touch with reality, your "music for making musics' sake" spirit, and have forsaken all in the spirit of greed.
Good luck. You are going to need it. In one hand you condemn those that may be curious and want to try a sample before they buy - on the other you *think* people are going to buy your modern works. (I am laughing harder than an RIAA collector on his way to the bank.)
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | I'll keep my current provider thanks And go to KNAC.com. Remember when LA radio used to be worth a crap? | |
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Norwalk, CA | Re: I'll keep my current provider thanks Yes I do remember KNAC, but KNAC streaming radio ain't all that good. I'd rather have an mp3/ogg on my computer than that horrible sounding stuff. | |
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| Metallica "We were wrong. "I hope that, from this day forth, we can look forward to a future where .mp3 and .cda files can peacefully coexist." To assure da musical quality of da three albums released to da internet, each potential Metallica song will be scrutinized by a 'Metal Council', consisting of outstanding members in da metal community, including, but not limited to, Dimebag Darrell of Pantera, an' Scott Ian of Anthrax. This world is a very violent place. We'd hate to make a bad record, now, wouldn't we? Capiche?" Now about my hefty bundle of bandages wrapped around my right hand, I got involved in an unfortunate "hedge-clipper accident," in which two fingers on my right hand had been "cleanly severed at the base." James had this dream the night before, "The sky opened up and there was this huge, 50-foot Flava-Flav. He told me to stop before it was way too fuckin' late. He told me about right and wrong, the RIAA, Napster... the truth about the Concorde... the Kursk... and even Dr. Dre...!"
James knew about My accident before it happened, and warned not to bother with that 911 crap. He said he would have to call Me a cab, 'cause the cab'll come quicker." "Don't worry about me... I'm certain that our next release will have some great drum programming on it." I know we sold out when we made are black album, and I am sorry for that. We just needed more money and more sex, all albums from the black album on were simply for that. Seriously i can't stand the music were playing it's like james is trying to sound like Creed or something.
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| Eleven Prove that file trading is damaging the music industry. For every study that says "album sales are down 10%" there is another showing that "albums produced last year were down 12%" whats the truth? What i do know to be true is:
the music industry has admitted to price-fixing.
many, many people use p2p to trade music.
no band that i listen to has ever said they couldnt make a record because the music industry is suffering.
I have bought 8-tracks, cassettes, albums, cd's...been to over 400 concerts, shirts, stickers, etc. The music industry has alot of my money, and i dont mind.
I have downloaded an mp3 or three, but in no way do i feel i am stealing. Napster, kazaa and the rest are just selective radio to me. I have 95% of my mp3's on store bought cd's also and the 5% are things i would never buy currently, but might someday through repetitive listening, which is beneficial to the music industry.
I appreciate what metallica is trying to do but they are certainly going about it in a greedy way, as are Phish. When is enough money enough? These bands are huge and yet they still want to make more money from us. Im certainly not saying they shouldnt make money but for god's sake throw us a bone already! Phish's crappy vault series is a complete rip-off. My discs, my internet connection, my printer, my burner, and they still want $20 a show...cmon!
The idea is great, I would pay a small fee (say $6.95 a month for access to any concert) but an additional $10 to $20, added on to an already expensive concert ticket is way to much. At least phish lets you do audience taping and actually trade them using the internet, most bands wont even allow taping for your own use let alone trading.
Anyway, i dont feel that file trading is hurting the music business as badly as they say and i think some bands are to GREEDY. Sorry for the long ramble.
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|  fsck -y ou Metallica
I see this as just another way for them to try and sell cds.
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| I remember when... .. In the early 80's Lars Ulrich and Hetfield were CRYING because even the Firsco bay stations wouldn't play their songs.
Papa Ozzy took them under his wing on their 'Puppets' tour as an opening act and put them out around the world.
They have their cake and now want even more of it.
My last band REFUSED to cover ANY of Metallicas material, nor did we even bother listening to those lolli-poppers.
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| metallica sucks I was a huge metallica fan back in the 1980's before they came out with the Load of s**t album and sold their souls to RIAA.Metallica is doing alot of promotion and marketing for their new album and I was wondering if any old metalheads like me will buy this new album St.Anger?No way for me. I sold all my old metallica albums after I made copies of them. | |
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| Re: metallica sucks Although it adds nothing to the topic, I agree with you. Metallica was one of the weakest metal acts in the 1980s. To me, Slayer was one of the only real metal bands from the 80s worth mentioning.
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| Ok I must say one thing ,after listening to this worthless, talentless, piece of shit of an album, I have come to the conclusion Metallica has dug out of the bottom of the barrel and come up empty. If this shitty album is something they call good and something they are proud of, they have no respect for themselves or music. Its overdriven nu-metal bullshit. Theres nothing on this album that hasn't been overplayed by millions of bands in recent years. They need to stop or be stopped. I have of now officially dropped all respect , and any liking of them for good. They have proven they have nothing left to give and should do everyone a favor and stop. They have influenced music greatly in their earlier years. This does nothing but prolong the worthless fad of talentless musicians known as nu-metal. | |
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| Hmmmm....damn Lars & co. I have a bunch of Metallica CDs from Kill 'em All to Garage Inc. After reading all the BS on what my favorite band's (no longer my favorite anymore) been doing and such, I deleted ALL my Metallica MP3s in spite of the crap they've been up to. I've destroyed my 2 Korn CDs with a sledgehammer and burning them last month, and I was either gonna do that to the CDs or give them to my father (he likes Metallica too, yet he has downloaded and burned mp3s to CDs to listen to). Last thing is I havn't listened to the CDs in a LONG time (My AJFA album seems to be missing vocals from the tracks all of a sudden! wtf?)
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