DSL Headbangers Metallica strikes Speakeasy Deal Metallica, the band that created sparks on the information superhighway after scrapping with file trading service Napster, has struck a deal with DSL provider Speakeasy to offer live concerts and assorted other head-banging goodies on-line. The band's latest album will contain an activation code that allows buyers access to the Speakeasy hosted Metallica Vault, where they can obtain live recordings, demos, b-sides and other content. Lars Ulrich, the band's drummer, spent several years engaged in verbal pugilism with the file trading community. While in the past he's conceded that CD prices are too high, he's argued that the band simply wants control of the music they create. For some perspective on his opinions you can check out his interview with Slashdot, or the transcript of his testimony on Napster before Congress. Also interesting was this Charlie Rose program which featured Ulrich debating the merits of file trading with Rapper Chuck D. Ulrich notes in a statement that "We've always wanted our fans to experience our music online," but suggests that "up until now, the existing distribution methods have not passed the kind of 'quality' standards our fans have come to expect from us. We want the music that will be accessed on Metallica Vault to be the best of the best, available on the Internet. We're raising the bar here, and we know that Speakeasy shares our philosophy and gets what we're trying to do."It has long been argued by many in the file trading community that if labels aren't willing to lower album prices, they should be willing to provide users with either additional content, concert price reductions, or some other token of good will. As opposed to improving their product or reducing costs to regain customer appreciation, much of the record industry has turned to verbal warnings and legal threats instead. So far the offering of such content has been rare. In 2001 the Black Crowes experimented with the idea of giving away live music as a thank you to fans that purchased their album. The most aggressive of such services was launched by a band named Phish; their LivePhish website allowing fans to create CD-quality files, create homemade three-disc sets of live shows, even obtain cover-art and booklets, all for a fee. The site even offers users cases and blank CD-Rs for the 'forgetful'. According to a Speakeasy representative we spoke to this afternoon, the decision to expand the Metallica Vault service is entirely in the hands of Metallica themselves. Content will be continually updated on the website, with neither party ruling out an eventual evolution of the service. The band's primary goal is to have a site that is a "comprehensive" Metallica cyber-presence. For the time being however, the website and the content it offers will simply exist as a 'thank you' to fans who purchased the most recent album.
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  oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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Corona, CA | Okay So how many of you guys here are going to flock to Speakeasy to get this 2"x2" concerts? This may have been cool in the mid 80's when Metallica was still Metallica. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Okay said by oliphant5:
So how many of you guys here are going to flock to Speakeasy to get this 2"x2" concerts? This may have been cool in the mid 80's when Metallica was still Metallica.
Heh. Yes indeed it would've been cool when they were shacking up in a NYC run down hotel with Anthrax and immediately afterwards, but in recent history Metallica has irreperably stained it's Karma with many a'former fan.
... "For Let it Be Written, For Let it be Done, I'm sent here by the Chosen One... To kill the first born Pharoah Son.... I'm creeeeping deaaath!" ...
Metallica is in the same category as the Backstreet Boys these days in the mind of this former fan; and I did like the band at the time, enough to drive around like a screaming maniac listening to old cassettes.
The Testament ne'er Sold Out. Ozzman Made bigtime dough, and is a happy filthy rich, well medicated zombie kinda father dude these days.. Still never sold his soul to RIAA.
Screw metallica. Speakeasy should know better as I think netizens aren't stupid and Napster was basically a household word. You can follow your own reasoning wherever it leads.. I know I liked Napster for the absolute world-wide diversity of music. I mean I could find Rap from Russia and China, and Ozzy covers from Estonia. Metallica could've simply not signed up for that particular case and let Dr. Dre make his bed with some other foolish band, but they got greedy.
Hence they will never see another cent from me and I did buy a lot of Metallica stuff in the mid 80's..
What the hell was I thinking 
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Netcong, NJ | What Metallica and now Madonna are trying to do is get free publicity. Sue and get your name in the papers, plant a bogus MP3, free publicity.  | |
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Corona, CA | Re: Okay Exactly...now that no one gives a sh*t about them...they're everyone's buddy. Screw 'em. | |
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New Port Richey, FL | Re: Okay said by oliphant5:
Exactly...now that no one gives a sh*t about them...they're everyone's buddy. Screw 'em.
No one cares?? paleeeeez This is one of the most anticipated discs of the year. ST. ANGER friggin rocks and is nothing like the last 3 discs. This album is a return to the old if you will. It is hard angry dark and technically a masterpiece. I would rank this disc in their top 3 and i guarantee the album will hit the top 5 on billboard. | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | said by batterup:
What Metallica and now Madonna are trying to do is get free publicity.
And this is different from everyone other band how?
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Netcong, NJ | Re: Okay said by Jaime:
said by batterup:
What Metallica and now Madonna are trying to do is get free publicity.
And this is different from everyone other band how?
No but every other band is not screwing up the internet. | |
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kudos:18 | Metallica Bad Alright. This is Archivis representing Metallica. We want to offer all you internet junkies complete access to view our online concerts and other head-banging goodies online, but we hope that you completely forgot that we really pissed you off back in that whole napster age.
That's all bridge under the water. We can be friends again (can i have your money now?), right?
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Metallica Bad Pissed you off? Didn't like that they wanted people to not take their songs for free? | |
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kudos:18 | Re: Metallica Bad I was trying to be comical in a mock-representative from metallica. I was pointing out the irony in how metallica wants to now make an online presence when A) Nobody listens to them anymore, and B) they ruined their online appearance when napster was alive.
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Metallica Bad A) Doubtful since I'm sure there will be millions of their new album sold.
B)Agreed to a point, yes some die hard file sharers hated that they told the truth. While other more casual filesharers, like me, really weren't bothered that they spoke their mind about this.
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Metallica Bad Give it a break guy. Tell me you never downloaded a freakin tune from the net. Please, at least be honest. | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Metallica Bad I have, but I'm not going to say that it was right to do so. Also might want to read my other comment:
said by Me just a few inches above:
B)Agreed to a point, yes some die hard file sharers hated that they told the truth. While other more casual filesharers, like me, really weren't bothered that they spoke their mind about this.
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| | |  metalgirlI Wanna Ride Your FatboyPremium
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Rockford, IL | Archivis..you hit it right on the head....
F*ck Metallica!
The "Real Headbangers" don't even want their lame ass commercialized crap anyway.
I wouldn't even waste my time illegally D/L'ing their crap.
MG
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Corona, CA | Re: Metallica Bad So you would switch for say, Sepultura? LOL. | |
| | | | | | | real headbangers? you mean 30 year olds who live with their parents? headbangers are awful. I also like what I have heard so far from the new album, as I have from all the previous. | |
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Rockford, IL | Re: Metallica Bad Please...I'm 40yrs old...married...own my home... and have kids...
I'm not your "run of the mill" headbanger....
I haven't listened to the radio in years 
Why does Metallica say their new album is going to be like the "old days"?
IMO... they knew they sold out and want to try to get the former fans back... this Speakeasy stuff is all about publicity for them...
Thanks but no thanks...I'll keep my money;)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Metallica Bad said by metalgirl:
Please...I'm 40yrs old...married...own my home... and have kids...
I'm not your "run of the mill" headbanger....
I haven't listened to the radio in years
Actually, that sounds like every headbanger I know these days. The only CDs I've bought in ten years is the new FOZZY CDs. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Metallica Bad said by Nightfall:
Seems that song writers and musicians that stand up and publically say they hate file trading are blacklisted.
You're right about this... and I'll respect any artist that doesn't want their stuff traded... except for Metallica, who, when they were nothing back in the early 80s, wanted people to trade copies of their music... just so that other people would find out about them and buy the albums and come to their shows. I think its somewhat contradictory for a band that made its money by doing this to whine when people still trade their tracks online.
Besides... Metallica is just like every other 80s act trying to make a comeback... they're all washed up and need to retire.
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Metallica Bad Trading with your buddies and family is a bit different than trading with hundreds of thousands of people, don't you think? | |
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Harrisburg, PA | Re: Metallica Bad You're skating on thin ice there, buddy. The application of common sense during yet another completely juvenile and pointless "Napster v. Metallica" argument is dangerous thing to do around here. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Jaime:
Trading with your buddies and family is a bit different than trading with hundreds of thousands of people, don't you think?
I'm not debating that the act of sharing copyrighted works without the consent of the copyright owner is illegal. There is no question that this is illegal. The means by which the material is shared and the number of people you share with also doesn't change the fact that the act of sharing in itself is illegal.
Metallica's approach, though, encouraged people to share their stuff with their friends, who would then share it with their friends, and so on and so forth. If someone did that with Napster, the end result would be similar to what would happen if thousands of people copied Metallica's stuff and distributed it to all their friends by hand. Either way, lots of people would have copies of their music. I just think it was hypocritical for Metallica to be OK with one form of copyright infringement but not the other, that's all.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Metallica Bad said by pnh102:
Either way, lots of people would have copies of their music. I just think it was hypocritical for Metallica to be OK with one form of copyright infringement but not the other, that's all.
For once we agree.... partially. I am still no convinced it's copyright infringement. I have read copyright law time and time again and it doesn't show any solid indication that sharing music, that doesn't generate revenue or profit, is illegal. When you start selling it or making money from it is where you have the problem. That's what got Napster blasted. Remember much of what the RIAA says is what they claim is law. Even with the NET act sharing music is still legal as long as it's under a certain monetary value.
As far as Metallica is concerned they endorsed distribution of their music as long as it's not for profit. Even though copyright law pretty much says the same thing they reinforced it. Lars going back on that, most likely caught up in either greed or propaganda put forth by the RIAA, pretty much throws his entire claim out the window.
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| | | | | | Yea I remember the first time I heard them, I got a Copied Cassette tape of Master of Puppets and I must have listed to that thing straight for 10 days. I was like WOW! This band rocks and after that i bought every Tape and CD and went to all of their Shows and then when the Napster thing came about and they bitched, I lost faith in them... Oh well mayby they can grab the new Generation, which is generation Z right? | |
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Alliance, OH | Yeah I can see both sides of the argument, and I'm not on either side. What they did doesn't bother me, since it doesn't affect me at all, and sharing the files after all IS illegal. But on the other side it's not like I don't download songs, but I DO in fact own all of Metallica's albums. I also own 12 CDs worth of bootleg concerts in MP3 format, but metallica actually doesn't mind bootlegs. Not to say I'll buy the new album if I don't like it, but if I do I just might, you get a lot of stuff for the $13 I've seen it being preordered for. | |
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| |  HangmnDon't Fight It...It's InevitablePremium
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Philadelphia, PA | It's as simple as this...IMHO...Melodica was once the quintessential non-success garage band and quite good....Yeah ok illegal file trading..."bad" albeit that aside...I used to own EVERY Metallica album ever stamped out by the music mills...yes I am old.
Metallica started ..nay LARS started a war...Jason Newstead left BECAUSE of Lars' HOLY war. They are simply WASHED up.Their funds were shrinking(not unlike Lars' HAIRLINE)and saw NAPSTER as the cause of their woes.
I will always have a right to use MY PURCHASED music however I choose.Be it compress it...put it on TAPE or stomp on it in my driveway...FAIR USE..I paid I will do WHATEVER I WANT with it.
No I haven't forgotten Metallica's internet silliness and No I won't be watching....
And it figures they would team up with a LAMER ISP like SNEAKSLEAZY who sold out a while back as well...
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Alliance, OH | Re: Metallica Bad quote:
I will always have a right to use MY PURCHASED music however I choose.Be it compress it...put it on TAPE or stomp on it in my driveway...FAIR USE..I paid I will do WHATEVER I WANT with it.
What does that have to do with anything? Sending songs to other people for free isn't fair use if that's what you were referring to. If not, then WTF were you referring to? | |
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| Re: Metallica Bad Its real simple...I have bought MORE music being able to sample it.
Simply put Melodica shot themselves in the a$$.
If the RIAA and Metallica was a front for them then as now...would EMBRACE technology and quit trying to milk the public for every penny they would probably be making their "PROSPECTED" income.
And by the way p2p is for the i-net illiterate.
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Tallahassee, FL | Headbanging? If you've heard any of the recent Metallica? The only thing you'll be banging your head against is a brick wall trying to ease the suffering of such terrible music. Though I do commend them trying to take technology and embracing it instead of doing what the corporations do which is fight it until they've lost and then buy it with their money and claim to have been there from the beginning. So sorry Metallica, I won't be buying anything recent from you, but kudos for being the guinee pigs that will later be disposed of when the timing is profitable to do so.
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Headbanging? said by Maxo:
If you've heard any of the recent Metallica? The only thing you'll be banging your head against is a brick wall trying to ease the suffering of such terrible music. Though I do commend them trying to take technology and embracing it instead of doing what the corporations do which is fight it until they've lost and then buy it with their money and claim to have been there from the beginning. So sorry Metallica, I won't be buying anything recent from you, but kudos for being the guinee pigs that will later be disposed of when the timing is profitable to do so.
Amen to that.
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Paragould, AR | I'll throw a Hallelujah into that!
I wish the timing was now.. I refer to Metallica like I do Pamela Anderson.. Old 'n Busted. Hey, there's a new title for the next album!
But I'll always like Fade to Black, no matter what Lars spouts off without thinking. His brain is going faster than his hairline.
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If you've heard any of the recent Metallica? The only thing you'll be banging your head against is a brick wall trying to ease the suffering of such terrible music. Though I do commend them trying to take technology and embracing it instead of doing what the corporations do which is fight it until they've lost and then buy it with their money and claim to have been there from the beginning. So sorry Metallica, I won't be buying anything recent from you, but kudos for being the guinee pigs that will later be disposed of when the timing is profitable to do so.
WTF...No way..the new sh!t rocks..harder, faster and heavier than anything they have done since Master!! And they are still the BEST live band around.
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| | | | | Re: Headbanging? said by ATLJ:
said by Maxo:
If you've heard any of the recent Metallica? The only thing you'll be banging your head against is a brick wall trying to ease the suffering of such terrible music. Though I do commend them trying to take technology and embracing it instead of doing what the corporations do which is fight it until they've lost and then buy it with their money and claim to have been there from the beginning. So sorry Metallica, I won't be buying anything recent from you, but kudos for being the guinee pigs that will later be disposed of when the timing is profitable to do so.
WTF...No way..the new sh!t rocks..harder, faster and heavier than anything they have done since Master!! And they are still the BEST live band around.
Yeah -- I heard NSYNC's newest CD rocks like that too!
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Dunnellon, FL | Lars, Lars, Lars.... *Shakes head in disappointment* The only reason why Metallica took off in the first place was because of bootlegging. People would show up at their concerts and dance hall performances and tape the live shows. The tapes circulated around - from person to person, duplicated and reduplicated. Eventually sheer demand for their music helped them get to where they are today. The foundation of which was all built upon by the simple word of mouth from bootleggers...
Then you actively participate in the RIAA's efforts to smack the back of everyone's hands that even thought about touching Napster - condemning the very same spirit and people that put you where you are to this day.
We still have to buy high priced music to get to this secret vault, and even then...Jeepers man. Have you listened to yourself or your band today? "Classic Metallica" - before the "Black Album" was pretty damn cool. You lost touch with reality, your "music for making musics' sake" spirit, and have forsaken all in the spirit of greed.
Good luck. You are going to need it. In one hand you condemn those that may be curious and want to try a sample before they buy - on the other you *think* people are going to buy your modern works. (I am laughing harder than an RIAA collector on his way to the bank.)
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Corona, CA | I'll keep my current provider thanks And go to KNAC.com. Remember when LA radio used to be worth a crap? | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: I'll keep my current provider thanks Yes I do remember KNAC, but KNAC streaming radio ain't all that good. I'd rather have an mp3/ogg on my computer than that horrible sounding stuff. | |
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| Metallica "We were wrong. "I hope that, from this day forth, we can look forward to a future where .mp3 and .cda files can peacefully coexist." To assure da musical quality of da three albums released to da internet, each potential Metallica song will be scrutinized by a 'Metal Council', consisting of outstanding members in da metal community, including, but not limited to, Dimebag Darrell of Pantera, an' Scott Ian of Anthrax. This world is a very violent place. We'd hate to make a bad record, now, wouldn't we? Capiche?" Now about my hefty bundle of bandages wrapped around my right hand, I got involved in an unfortunate "hedge-clipper accident," in which two fingers on my right hand had been "cleanly severed at the base." James had this dream the night before, "The sky opened up and there was this huge, 50-foot Flava-Flav. He told me to stop before it was way too fuckin' late. He told me about right and wrong, the RIAA, Napster... the truth about the Concorde... the Kursk... and even Dr. Dre...!"
James knew about My accident before it happened, and warned not to bother with that 911 crap. He said he would have to call Me a cab, 'cause the cab'll come quicker." "Don't worry about me... I'm certain that our next release will have some great drum programming on it." I know we sold out when we made are black album, and I am sorry for that. We just needed more money and more sex, all albums from the black album on were simply for that. Seriously i can't stand the music were playing it's like james is trying to sound like Creed or something.
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| |  drrickEarth's mightiest hero.Premium
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Chicago, IL | Re: Metallica Somebody get that guy some braces... | |
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| | Eleven Prove that file trading is damaging the music industry. For every study that says "album sales are down 10%" there is another showing that "albums produced last year were down 12%" whats the truth? What i do know to be true is:
the music industry has admitted to price-fixing.
many, many people use p2p to trade music.
no band that i listen to has ever said they couldnt make a record because the music industry is suffering.
I have bought 8-tracks, cassettes, albums, cd's...been to over 400 concerts, shirts, stickers, etc. The music industry has alot of my money, and i dont mind.
I have downloaded an mp3 or three, but in no way do i feel i am stealing. Napster, kazaa and the rest are just selective radio to me. I have 95% of my mp3's on store bought cd's also and the 5% are things i would never buy currently, but might someday through repetitive listening, which is beneficial to the music industry.
I appreciate what metallica is trying to do but they are certainly going about it in a greedy way, as are Phish. When is enough money enough? These bands are huge and yet they still want to make more money from us. Im certainly not saying they shouldnt make money but for god's sake throw us a bone already! Phish's crappy vault series is a complete rip-off. My discs, my internet connection, my printer, my burner, and they still want $20 a show...cmon!
The idea is great, I would pay a small fee (say $6.95 a month for access to any concert) but an additional $10 to $20, added on to an already expensive concert ticket is way to much. At least phish lets you do audience taping and actually trade them using the internet, most bands wont even allow taping for your own use let alone trading.
Anyway, i dont feel that file trading is hurting the music business as badly as they say and i think some bands are to GREEDY. Sorry for the long ramble.
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| | | Sorry.....but no thanks. First of all, im happy with my current service. Second of all, after Metallica banned me......Me no likes Metallica. | |
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|  fsck -y ou Metallica
I see this as just another way for them to try and sell cds.
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| | I remember when... .. In the early 80's Lars Ulrich and Hetfield were CRYING because even the Firsco bay stations wouldn't play their songs.
Papa Ozzy took them under his wing on their 'Puppets' tour as an opening act and put them out around the world.
They have their cake and now want even more of it.
My last band REFUSED to cover ANY of Metallicas material, nor did we even bother listening to those lolli-poppers.
I'll take a garage over their alledged 'stardom' anyday. | |
| | | metallica sucks I was a huge metallica fan back in the 1980's before they came out with the Load of s**t album and sold their souls to RIAA.Metallica is doing alot of promotion and marketing for their new album and I was wondering if any old metalheads like me will buy this new album St.Anger?No way for me. I sold all my old metallica albums after I made copies of them. | |
| | | | Re: metallica sucks Although it adds nothing to the topic, I agree with you. Metallica was one of the weakest metal acts in the 1980s. To me, Slayer was one of the only real metal bands from the 80s worth mentioning.
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| | | | | Re: metallica sucks Slayer still rocks! Their video "bloodline" blows away metallica's "St.Anger" video | |
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| | | Anyone want a ST Anger CD ??? post your address I will send it to you
SO very very disappointed | |
| | | | Ok I must say one thing ,after listening to this worthless, talentless, piece of shit of an album, I have come to the conclusion Metallica has dug out of the bottom of the barrel and come up empty. If this shitty album is something they call good and something they are proud of, they have no respect for themselves or music. Its overdriven nu-metal bullshit. Theres nothing on this album that hasn't been overplayed by millions of bands in recent years. They need to stop or be stopped. I have of now officially dropped all respect , and any liking of them for good. They have proven they have nothing left to give and should do everyone a favor and stop. They have influenced music greatly in their earlier years. This does nothing but prolong the worthless fad of talentless musicians known as nu-metal. | |
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| Hmmmm....damn Lars & co. I have a bunch of Metallica CDs from Kill 'em All to Garage Inc. After reading all the BS on what my favorite band's (no longer my favorite anymore) been doing and such, I deleted ALL my Metallica MP3s in spite of the crap they've been up to. I've destroyed my 2 Korn CDs with a sledgehammer and burning them last month, and I was either gonna do that to the CDs or give them to my father (he likes Metallica too, yet he has downloaded and burned mp3s to CDs to listen to). Last thing is I havn't listened to the CDs in a LONG time (My AJFA album seems to be missing vocals from the tracks all of a sudden! wtf?)
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| | ATLJGo Dawgs Sic 'EmPremium
join:1999-12-24
Alpharetta, GA Reviews:
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| Re: Hmmmm....damn Lars & co. said by Glaice:
I have a bunch of Metallica CDs from Kill 'em All to Garage Inc. After reading all the BS on what my favorite band's (no longer my favorite anymore) been doing and such, I deleted ALL my Metallica MP3s in spite of the crap they've been up to.....[text was edited by author 2003-06-03 20:09:08]
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If you were a true fan it wouldn't matter what they do outside of the music they create. Metallica makes kick ass music and have the best live shows you have ever seen.
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| | |  dTaCabronEh StevePremium
join:2003-02-26
Enon, OH | Re: Hmmmm....damn Lars & co. Exactly, I didn't care that Metallica was pissing and moaning because people were trading songs over the internet; they could sell out as much as they want, I would still listen to their kick-ass music. Nowadays, they've been churning out CRAP (Re-Load has a lot of examples), but it's always good to have them tour around and jam out their older tunes, and maybe a little bit of the newer stuff they were touring to promote, anyway.
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 gnucleus7Number 3 Forever
join:2002-06-06
NASCAR
| Soldouttica! Who cares?. The band and their latest album SUCK!
Metallica and The Dixie Chicks.........Comming to a bargin bin near you soon........
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| | TheVyper88Overclocked AmdPremium
join:2003-05-28
New Port Richey, FL
| Re: Soldouttica! said by gnucleus7:
Who cares?. The band and their latest album SUCK!
Metallica and The Dixie Chicks.........Comming to a bargin bin near you soon........
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Essential recordings: Metallica
Audio CD (June 5, 2003)
Number of Discs: 2
Label: Elektra/Asylum
ASIN: B00008OWZG
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 2
Only #2 geez that disc must suck. Oh and they have orders for 1 million plus discs in week 1!! What a horrible band.
i LOVE the old tallica discs but i love the new ones as well. Apparently i'm not the only one since the newer discs have FAR outsold any of the older ones
So Tallica went on a tirade against napster and piracy. Do you go to work for free?? I sure don't. Try walking into a car dealership and saying well i am taking this car but i'm not paying for it and see how far you get! I am no saint but the internet has not clouded me so badly as to no longer have the ability to see a thief as a thief
ST. ANGER purchased June 5,2003 worth every penny and then some nice DVD as well oh and my key to the datavault is worth spending $13.00 for as well | |
| | | gnucleus7Number 3 Forever
join:2002-06-06
NASCAR | Re: Soldouttica! Acording to the ad's Slim Whitman has sold more albums than anybody, but that doesn't mean his music doesn't SUCK.
" A fool and their money are soon parted" | |
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join:2000-03-23
Choteau, MT
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| Metallica bad! Any of you remember the flash videos of "Napster Bad!" people at Camp Chaos »www.campchaos.com/ made the what was funny at the time flash videos of Lars whining and Hetfield going FIRE BAD FIRE BAD BEER GOOOD! Now it is crude so proceed there at YOUR own risk. These videos are about 3 years old »www.campchaos.com/cartoons/napsterbad/ but enjoy.
Metallica is struggling to control mp3 distroing.
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| | | Hmmm.... I think the biggest point is quality. I was there too, trading music on cassette - we did it a) using a double cassette deck, or where there wasn't one available b) facing 2 tape recorders together, pressing play on 1 and record on the other. Do that 5 times over and watch the quality plummet.
So you've got this tape of this new band, awesome, mindblowing tunes, and then one day you walk past the record store and see it in glorious vinyl. All the same songs, but a quality recording. You don't hesitate, you go straight in and buy it.
Hell I used to compare my tapes to my friends, and if they had a better copy I'd take a copy of it, and vice versa. The guy that had the vinyl copies was king.
The whole music industry revolves around the idea that people are willing to part with their hard earned cash for quality recordings of the music they like.
Whether you like it or not, it actually costs money to record music professionally. Studios are expensive. Maintenance and purchasing of new equipment is expensive. Good studio engineers charge high rates, but produce high quality results. That's why studios charge what they do. It costs Metallica and every other band on the face of the earth a small fortune to go into the studio, record video clips, promotion, etc. then take an album on tour. How do you think that is paid for?
The quality of home studio recordings, quite frankly, sucks. Most home studios simply aren't kitted out sufficiently because it costs so much, especially on a day-job income. If all musicians produced their music themselves and distributed it for free, everyone might have it, but the quality would suck arse.
When a recording company A&R rep receives a demo and listens to it, all the while he's trying to work out how much money they can make on it. Will it be economically viable to sign this band? Will we make money on it? Am I willing to stake my reputation, and the reputation of the record company, on this band? And the answer is usually 'no', and the demo goes in the bin. Why? Because every signing is taking a chance, and A&R reps don't get many chances at screwing up before they're out the door. It costs too much money. You only get sacked once as an A&R rep - then you change career.
CD quality file sharing stunts CD sales. Fact. Don't deny it, you ain't going to pay for something you can get for free. If you do, it's because you've listened to it for years and feel guilted into giving something back, which is going to be a pretty small percentage of the music that you own. That means that record companies make less money. That means that A&R reps need to be more selective when signing bands, because the potential return is reduced. What does that mean in the end? It means you'll hear less new bands, less innovation, and that new group that might have really appealed to you might just be passed up by the A&R guy. So they never get signed, recorded, or promoted. So unless you happen to live near them and go to one of their shows, you never get to hear it.
Another point - unless you're playing sold-out stadium type venues, you make very little money for live performances. Just about the only reason bands do live performances is for publicity - you have to do live performances to get signed, A&R reps want to see performance and ticket sales histories before they'll even consider you, no matter how good your demo is.
I might not like Metallicas music, but I'm afraid Lars is absolutely right in every respect. To those that disagree, I would encourage you to research the music industry a little more and get a better idea of what it's like out there for young artists trying to make a name for themselves. There's plenty of info out there, it isn't hard to find. It's already murder. Large scale file sharing will make it all but impossible for almost all new artists. Fact. The only ones that will get signed will be the 'sure fire hit' types... and the bands that record companies form themselves (without naming names).
It's easy to bash Metallica, Lars, and the record industry at large about this. That's not a particularly mature approach. Or perhaps I'm just missing the point, so enlighten me - how should the record industry work? How should it be reformed to allow P2P file sharing, and still make money for the artists producing the music? | |
| | HangmnDon't Fight It...It's InevitablePremium
join:2000-04-08
Philadelphia, PA
|  I would dare say
HOLY CRAP anyone remember ASCAP?????
In Lar's interview with Charlie Rose he couldn't impress enough it was about the CONTROL NOT the money.
What these "artists" seem to forget OVER AND OVER is without fans they are a big fat ZERO
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| | | | Re: Hmmm.... Long winded but very much true. By the time a band can get the 1st album out they are so much in debt for studio services they are stuck with that label that signed them. File sharing for a fee, I think can help upstart bands get the word out. People spend a money for ring tones on a cell phone, if you bought a downloaded song from a band you'll help them, if you like the music. I would rather spend $1 for a song that I like, rather than $10 for a CD that has songs I don't like just to get 1 song I do like. Wherehouse records experimented about 13 yrs or so ago with making custom tapes for you. Pick the songs you like no need to buy the album full of crap with 1 gem on it. Subscription services, IMO, are the way to go. If your in a band it's now required to have a web site. People will actually subscribe to it, you can sell your music that way. Yes the middle man could be on the way out! | |
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| | Subscription services? Where a band hosts a web site with their music, downloadable to members? That just makes it easier to fileshare - what you download is already in distributable format. One person downloads, hosts on KaZaa - wham, one ligit subscriber, 10 million copies. No need to even rip the thing.
Unless you're going to charge subscribers astronomical sums, that just doesn't add up. You simply can't make money doing that.
On second thought, you might be able to do that by companies like Napster paying distribution fees to record companies, and the general public paying for access to Napster... oh wait, this is awfully familiar... | |
| | HangmnDon't Fight It...It's InevitablePremium
join:2000-04-08
Philadelphia, PA |  OR SOMETHING for God's Sake
The whole problem is that this is a CONTROL issue as stated by Larsy him self.
Instead of the RIAA and the MPAA persecuting THE VERY PUBLIC THEY RELY ON FOR INCOME, why don't they INNOVATE and develop a way to charge for E-FORM of music and movies.
They are putting their finger in BROKEN DYKE
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| | I can answer that... First let me address the 'control' argument.
Lars wants to control high, CD quality recordings of his work. He stated straight out that he isn't interested in low quality recordings, including bootlegs. I bet if you distributed a formal live recording, his tune would change!
But the reason he wants to control high quality recordings is related to money. If you can get high quality recordings for free, you won't pay for 'em. Now consider what would happen if Lars Ulrich, a man with more millions than fingers and toes, started harping on about how file sharing is damaging to the record industry financially - he'd be laughed out of existence. Sort of like what's happening now, only much worse. So he sticks, straight and narrow, to the control argument, feeble as it may be.
For someone trying to make it in the recording industry to start making noise about the same thing, he's simply going to be ignored. The public would be thinking 'who is this guy, and why the hell would I care about what he thinks?'. It takes someone like Lars to step up and do it for them, otherwise no one will listen.
What makes it different to a FM broadcast or copying to a cassette comes back to my original point - quality. DJs talk over songs, and the quality over FM stinks compared to CDs. Cassettes are even worse. We're only interested in CD quality recordings here.
Copying CDs is already a problem, but no so big because of the logistics of distribution. I can copy 100 CDs, but how would I, for example, get a copy to you? If I were to sell them, I'd be arrested for copyright infringement. I wouldn't give them away, hell that'd cost me money. I might give one to a friend, but I won't give it to 10 million people worldwide.
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| | | I can answer that continued... I wanted to specifically address the technology and innovation problem.
No matter what innovations are brought about, they're going to have to keep producing music on CDs. Too many people own CD players for them not to, they'd be crippling their sales terribly otherwise. The problem with CDs is that they're easy to rip into MP3 and distribute. That's what happens now, right? So they try to make CDs impossible to copy - and some smartarse with a felt pen gets around it. If you distribute in an encrypted, undistributable format, I and everyone else will want to listen to it in their car, so it'll need to be converted into CD format. And we're back to square one. They're constrained by the technology they're in.
I agree that something needs to give. Oppression of technology in any way it's implemented can't help but to hamper its development. We're talking about the fastest developing industry, hell the fastest developing thing in the history of mankind.
This is a really, really difficult problem to solve. It's not as simple as 'record company and greedy musician bastards oppressing the masses...'. I hope I've made that a little clearer. | |
|  rkleinGod Among Hogs
join:2001-01-18
Clinton, MA | Speakeasy good, Metallica bad I've been a Speakeasy customer for a couple years now, and I love them, but Metallica can suck my ballsac. I still enjoy some of their older stuff, but it's hard to listen to their music and not remember how they attacked their fans (yeah, just the file-sharing fans, but that's enough for me).
Blackened still rocks.
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| Krellan
join:2001-06-06
Castro Valley, CA |  Funny given Speakeasy's old banner ad
"Piss Off Metallica 5 Times Faster!"
Found this ironic and funny, now that Speakeasy has made this deal with Metallica....
BTW, except for a few songs on "And Justice For All", I don't like any Metallica songs after "Master Of Puppets". They were at their prime with Master and "Ride The Lightning".... | |
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