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VoIP Gets Serious
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(old news - 04:59PM Thursday May 22 2003)
tags: competition · business
With the success and good reviews being gobbled up by Vonage; and Microsoft sniffing around SIPS VoIP technology, the cable industry has sped up their sluggish foray into internet telephony. Meanwhile, the early bird gets the legal battles as the VoIP industry and the FCC try to actually define where internet telephony falls in terms of regulation and privacy.

As usual, it's the little guys that pioneer and refine a technology before the larger fish arrive for feeding time. In VoIP's case, the latest little guys are outfits like Free World Dial-Up and Jeffery Citron's Vonage (though outfits like Net2Phone have done equally well). They've been dealing with the FCC, the FBI, and the harsh economic winds while larger providers have casually dipped their toes in the water; returning to their lounge chairs to await the arrival of more temperate, still, and less shark infested waters.

Free World Dial-Up, though an 'exclusive' club in which only members can call other members via Cisco SIP telephones, has managed to sign up over 20,000 people in the last six months. They've also been the organization that has had the most fun with the law, trying to define where exactly VoIP services fall in the spectrum of telecommunications legislation.

Jeff Pulver, who occasionally stops by our VoIP forum to answer questions and smoke cigars with the boys (and girls?), has been busy lately with the FCC, arguing that FWD is not subject to the same legal guidelines faced by telcos. He's requested (pdf copy) a "declaratory ruling" that Free World Dial-Up be considered outside the FCC's jurisdiction entirely, comparing it to the wide variety of instant messenger programs on the market.

Of course that puts quite a stick in the spokes of both the FBI and telco bicycles. The FBI is afraid that VoIP could become a communications safe-haven for terrorists and other undesirables; the telcos are worried that yet another competitor could enter the market free of the regulatory baggage that they say hampers their expansion and success.

It's only the very tip of the mountain of privacy, competitive, and legislative issues that have been begging for answers for years and will only grow louder. In 1999, the Internet Engineering Task Force thought they had won a civil victory by making no decision on wiretapping next generation networks (see Wired, October 1999). Several years later and the industry is twice as confused, but now the technology has actually arrived.

To cover their backside, the FBI has since been working closely with hardware manufacturers like Cisco and Metaswitch to include backdoors and other assorted surveillance tools in case VoIP becomes the pony express of scoundrels and enemies of the state.

Vonage's entry into the market has been much less dramatic. Though the company's CEO, Jeffery Citron, has a somewhat sleazy past and was barred from day trading by the SEC, his new company, apprarantly free of white collar crime, has fared considerably well. Though some in our forums have complained about customer service issues such as double billing and questionable rate increases, the company has been getting good reviews and recently struck a deal to resell the service via Earthlink.

So what have the big boys been doing?

Cable companies such as Cox have been providing the service quietly to select customers for quite some time; those customers giving the service fairly high marks. While the cable companies aren't moving quickly, they are moving. By the end of of 2002, Comcast had roughly 1.4 million telephony subscribers. Cox Communications served 718,420 while Cablevision laid claim to 12,240 telephony customers (Jupiter Research, Internet News, May 2003). Equipment costs and initial technical headaches were blamed by most cable executives for their reluctance to dive in head first.

While Vonage and Free World Dial-Up have been offering VoIP via session initiation protocol (SIP) technology, many MSO's have been working on their large-scale IP telephony service deployments using PacketCable technology. Whereas with SIP the user end device does all the work, PacketCable technology requires the network to be intelligent (See Cable Datacom News, May 2003). Some analysts suggest Microsoft's recent interest in SIP technology may have further motivated everyone interested in playing in the VoIP pool.

According to this report over at CNet news, Time Warner cable is the latest to begin testing out VoIP technology in select markets. The service will cost $40 a month for unlimited calls, and will be available only in the Portland, Maine region at first. The company will then migrate the service to larger markets like New York.

Meanwhile the satellite industry begs not to be forgotten. Net2Phone Inc. and Hughes Network Systems struck a deal to bring VoIP services to Direcway broadband satellite customers. While the company's press release indicates that the service "allocates prioritization to voice packets over Internet data", it's not clear how the companies plan to offer quality VoIP service when satellite broadband is so high latency. Things may look up for Hughes with the eventual launch of their Spaceway satellites.

What have the telcos been doing?

Worrying.

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NameZ

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Sell Me

By default, this must be good because the competition I suppose. But since I have what amounts to unlimited local and long distance with my MOBILE phone, why would I want to pay another $40mo. for this?

Can the whole household have unlimited calls from every phone in the house, is that how it works?

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Re: Sell Me

said by NameZ:
...But since I have what amounts to unlimited local and long distance with my MOBILE phone, why would I want to pay another $40mo. for this?

Can the whole household have unlimited calls from every phone in the house, is that how it works?
FWD BTW can use sip phones and such. There are new services that will allow PSTN to FWD VoIP.

Do you use the cell as your home phone?

$40 unlimited Vonage, all 50 states, and all Canada.
$26 wide regional calling area unlimited, 500 minuted LD

I use Vonage as an SBC replacement. It saved me around $70 a month, dropping my bill to about $26 monthly. The ATA186 uses your regular phone and routes you through you high speed internet connection (that I already have). The SBC local tolls were as bad as LD bills.
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Surfinusa
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I use my Cell Phone for all Long Distance myself. Not a bad idea just need a multi phone plan for others in household.

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It will be interesting to see new bundle "cliques" develop:

"VoIP via cable, cable broadband, DirecTV and Tivo all the way!"

"Regular phone, cable broadband, Digital TV and Time Warner PVR rules!"

"Cell Phone only, DSL Line w/Vonage, Dish Network and a good old-fashioned VCR is the best!"

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Re: Sell Me

I can see it now. I just pay one bill for my monthly expenses.

I pay my phone, electric, gas, TV, internet, car payment, mortgage, groceries, etc through one company.

Who's gonna do it?

Wal-mart.

Give it time.
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2farfromCO7

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HOw do you have a "Cell Phone only, DSL line w/Vonage" You can't have a cheap DSL Line without Pots. DSL with Vonage is not a cost savings.
2farfromCO7

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Re: Sell Me

The RBOCs know this and they know it's another advantage for Cable. That's why they are continually dropping the price of DSL. However, where's that $24.95 price that people keep saying SBC is going to launch? WHY DOES SBC THINK THAT BLUFFING WITH TH PRICE OF A PRODUCT THEY DON'T HAVE(DSL, THEY DON"T HAVE DSL ANYWHERE) will make CABLE blink? It won't. THey only thing that will make cable react is a detailed RT deployment schedule with 100% coverage("Can I get DSL now?") in the cities they list

J D McDorce
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Re: Sell Me

SBC has DSL over here in Broadband Nirvana

Off of an RT, no less...
2farfromCO7

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Re: Sell Me

Yeah, and I bet they have no more than 30% of the broadband market at best for the addresses serviced by your RT(which is probably half empty). Here there are tons of young technologically inclined demograhic(lots young Indians) in a dense apartment complex with no other broadband options. ALL SBC MANAGEMENT ARE IDIOTS!!!! ALL OF THEM!!!!!
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said by 2farfromCO7 See Profile:
HOw do you have a "Cell Phone only, DSL line w/Vonage" You can't have a cheap DSL Line without Pots. DSL with Vonage is not a cost savings.
It depends....Vonage technically gives you another phone line...so if you're wanting another line, it does offer some cost savings.

Surfinusa
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Alas

Finally, no longer a monopoly just a dinosaur of technologies,at least I will have a choice of service not just a few companies over current telephone network. A shocker to the Telco's ,they have been sleeping, time moves foward they stood still and watched. If they only made DSL available for the majority, they would have had to upgrade there networks earlier and then they could have attacked the Cable Companies by offering Television over there newly upgraded network. So now they are trying to catch up to the real world and they are crying in the process. All I can think of is the share holders because of putting there faith in Executives to run the company and the Exec's are not with the program. Now they have to upgrade or face extinction.

Happy Surfing

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Re: Alas

said by Surfinusa See Profile:
Finally, no longer a monopoly just a dinosaur of technologies,at least I will have a choice of service not just a few companies over current telephone network. A shocker to the Telco's ,they have been sleeping, time moves foward they stood still and watched. If they only made DSL available for the majority, they would have had to upgrade there networks earlier and then they could have attacked the Cable Companies by offering Television over there newly upgraded network. So now they are trying to catch up to the real world and they are crying in the process. All I can think of is the share holders because of putting there faith in Executives to run the company and the Exec's are not with the program. Now they have to upgrade or face extinction.

Happy Surfing
Absolutely. If the Telcos are not crapping themselves now, I predict they will be. ---- And should be of course, they have alienated and ignored the consumers for far too long.

Im so happy with vonage. I dont even mind some of the "quirks" as long as I dont have to write a check to the Telcos.

murdok610

BillRoland
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Try again

said by Article:
"By the end of of 2002, Comcast had roughly 1.4 million VoIP subscribers. Cox Communications served 718,420 while Cablevision laid claim to 12,240 VoIP customers."
No, Comcast does not have 1.4 million VoIP customers, nor does Cox have 718,420. They do, however, have that many regular, old fashioned circuit switched customers. I can't speak for Cablevision because I know they've been rolling out some VoIP service, so that number may be right.
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Re: Try again

Corrected to read "telephony" customers.

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Re: Try again

Its only a big deal because its only been relatively recently that Cable Labs has started approving PacketCable devices required to offer VoIP over the cable plant. Thanks for the update.
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DSLTech

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San Jose, CA
But in the context of the article its misleading.

That data needs to be simply removed since its not related to VoIP. Don't you think? Just an article error. We're all human.
comcastech

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maybe circuit switched but it is powered over the cable and not the twisted pair of regular phone compaines..so for that much is clearer and more reliable. So it is not your everyday regular old phone service

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Re: Try again

said by comcastech See Profile:
maybe circuit switched but it is powered over the cable and not the twisted pair of regular phone compaines..so for that much is clearer and more reliable. So it is not your everyday regular old phone service
Yes I understand that. For anyone interested in a good read, check out »www.cox.com/PressRoom/supportdoc···aper.pdf
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Agent_haito

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So does that mean

during peak hours my phone convo will suddenly become latent if i start dropping packets?

clyde_
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Re: So does that mean

Or what about download caps? If you talk too much during any given month, will your ISP suddenly label you a bandwidth hog and turn off your VoIP?
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Re: So does that mean

said by clyde_ See Profile:
Or what about download caps? If you talk too much during any given month, will your ISP suddenly label you a bandwidth hog and turn off your VoIP?

Nah. they'll just slam you like vonage did to some people by putting them on a business rate plan without even getting their authorization.
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number1melon
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if i could....

get voIP for less that 15/month/number i would get 4 of them. unfourtunately, vonage did not seem like such a great price for me, becuase of volume buying, i already get unlimited long distance from verizon.
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qworster

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Los Angeles, CA

My cell phone is spottty in my house!!

My cell phone is spotty in my house because of the stucco walls (that are suspended on screen). TV and FM also suck.

Vonage gives me good service at home and a Boston phone number that rings in L.A.

The Truth

@attbi.com

The Truth

What i'd really like to see is how they're going to stop the non conventional methods of voip. Why pay for it when the protocol will eventually be made free. Hell, the xbox is using voip technology for certain games they play. Those people aren't being charged a month fee.

When did a price tag come with using your microphone?... Certain software on the internet allows for voip freely.

Don't buy into this marketing garbage they're trying to feed you.

Its free if people want it to be free.

I currently talk to people online across the planet, with quality that compare's to nextel's service (only because the protocol hasn't been updated). I do not pay a dime for it.

These are things that are included freely with your broadband connection.

Don't let these corperations rape you any more then they already have.
tneb

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Oakland Gardens, NY

Re: The Truth

Well, Vonage does give you some things for your monthly fee that you can't get going the free route. Voice mail, call forwarding, caller id, etc. Also, I understand how you can initiate a call to someone using your broadband connection and a mike (or internet phone), but how do people call you? If you want to replace your existing land line phone, you need a way for people to call you. Vonage serves that function by assigning a dedicated phone number that gets routed to your line.

Agent 86



Cable should launch VoIP as a "FREE" service

I've been thinking for a while that what the cable industry should do is collectively launch "FREE" VoIP. Free meaning that it's a zero-cost (not counting equipment cost) feature of the Internet service (which is, of course, not free). No extra monthly fee, no per minute charges. But, also no access (no free access, anyway) to the legacy Bell lines.

The idea is to completely bypass and replace the existing telephone network, both local and long distance. Technically it's easy (no different than what Jeff Pulver is doing), but what it needs is an industry-wide marketing and promotion effort in order to gain a critical mass of users.

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Re: Cable should launch VoIP as a "FREE" service

said by Agent 86:
I've been thinking for a while that what the cable industry should do is collectively launch "FREE" VoIP....
There is the cost of voip -> PSTN, and the software and services and support that companies like Vonage use.

The Could promote to everyone Free World Dialup. If they threw in an ATA 186 that would make some fast noise in the marketplace. FWD does not connect to PSTN, but other companies are starting to leverage this service to do that.

There is free computer software for FWD, but you would need it running on your PC. The ATA 186 runs on your LAN independent of your other networked devices.
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