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Verizon Gets Industry's Attention
Verizon launches 'broadband big bang'
(old news - 01:00PM Wednesday May 14 2003)
tags: business · telco
Verizon's recent price cuts have created sharp rifts between analysts; some believing a price war is inevitable, others suggesting the move is simply sound and fury, signifying nothing. Regardless of your opinion of their product, it's been an impressive few weeks for Verizon, their maneuvers showing other providers, who are worrying about content while covered in mud in the broadband ditch, how to gain the market's undivided attention.

The clever move on Verizon's part to let their speed increase/price cuts leak out to the public while staying dead quiet on the PR front (most requests for comment by the media were ignored) had our forums quickly buzzing with thrilled Verizon customers. Broadband subscribers have grown used to speed reductions, bit caps, and price hikes; "unlimited" service with limits, and threatening letters about bandwidth abuse; so any reversal of that trend or good news, however slight, is naturally met with great enthusiasm.

Customers under 12,000 feet from their CO quickly discovered that with a simple phone call, they could be upgraded to 1.5/128 and actually wind up paying less for it. Veriations bundle customers who qualified could now get the 1.5Mbps package for $29.95 a month. Customers were thrilled, and the news sent a shiver through cable stocks, while analysts began muttering the phrase "price war" on every street corner.

Only yesterday did Verizon officially announce the speed increase/price cuts, after likely watching the resulting press carnage from their PR widow's walk with glee.

SBC joined the party when analysts reported the company would soon be offering a cut-rate $25 a month "semi-fast" 384Kbps (SBC already offered 1.5Mbps speeds). This in turn sent analysts a flutter predicting serious problems for AOL, whose dial-up services were in the same price range...and the ball kept rolling.

Cable executives went into damage control mode, and it wasn't long before Comcast CEO Brian Roberts was in the public eye deriding DSL as an inferior product (see his comments about DSL being "less robust") and not necessarily even legitimate competition. Cablevision and Cox, also posting decent numbers, joined in with their own efforts to make Verizon's moves seem unimportant.

So how important is Verizon's recent maneuvering, really?

"We do not expect to see any immediate impact on the cable modem business -- in terms of market share or pricing," opined Smith Barney analyst Niraj Gupta, in a recent research note dissecting the move. "We do not expect cable MSOs to suffer any pricing degradation in 2003 and we expect cable to capture the overwhelming majority of new high-speed Internet subscribers this year." Speaking more bluntly to the Washington Post, Gupta stated: "We don't think there is going to be a price war."

According to DSL Prime's Dave Burstein, the 'shock and awe'© produced by the price cuts are somewhat misleading, and much of the subsequent press reports are uninformed. "Prices have been creeping down since SBC went to $35 (with conditions) last November. The real drop is more like 15%, and just puts Verizon where SBC went to (for 12 month signup) 3 months ago."

Regardless if SBC led the charge, or if cable really should be concerned about the telco's strategy, Verizon has been engaged in an intelligent round of tactical competitive warfare. The company's price reductions were made all the more potent yesterday with their announcements that they'd be offering free Wi-Fi access to Verizon On-line customers beginning with midtown Manhattan, and the introduction of their MSN cobranded service. To top it all off, the company will be launching a DSL advertising blitz to tie the whole package up with a James Earl Jones size bow.

DSL is dominating the global broadband market, but trailing here in the States; cable wooing more customers daily with their digital programming bundles. With cable VOIP looming over the telcos, and baby bell dreams of offering video services essentially stagnant (while cable companies begin rolling out DVR bundles), any moves are motivated primarily by fear.

Price war or not, it's clear Verizon won't be napping during broadband's infusion into the American bloodstream, but it remains to be seen if they can erode cable's considerable lead.

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jammmin

join:2000-12-14
Upper Marlboro, MD

Why?

Why can't Verizon automatically upgrade customers versus having the customer call. Of course, not all customers will hear about it and continue paying high rates even though they don't have to.

Sisqo
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join:2002-08-14
Methuen, MA

Re: Why?

That is incorrect, the price change is automatic, the only thing that will not happen is if the customer is eligible for the 1.5/128 package, they will not be upgraded automatically they have to call for that.
2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

This is really getting old

I don't care how low SBC and Verizon want to go. Unless, the start spending billions and billions on RT deployment today without any state concessions, there will be no price war. I bash people all the time for been idiotic executives. This is not the case with the cable execs right now. It's all about the numbers. Let's say there are 100,000 potential broadband customers. Right now, the RBOCs are giving the cable companies 50,000 of them for free without a fight, and are only fighting for the $50,000. Yet, the RBOCs cost to deploy to the $50,000 is greater than the cable companies for 100,000, so they need results. They have to drastically cut the prices on the 50,000 in order to win the marketshare in their 50,000. Cable probably still gets at worst 25%(extremely pessimistic) market of the Verizon and SBC market without matching prices. If they do match prices they may get an extra 5%-10%, but that would me dropping prices like 40% for all their customers. That wouldn't make any sense. Brian Roberts keeps saying his product is "better" when it's really just more available. Like I have said all along AVAILABILITY = QUALITY
vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD

Re: This is really getting old

Also dont forget, 1.5 mbps dsl customers will actually see 1.5 unlike comcast customers.:)
2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

Re: This is really getting old

That's not the problem. The masses don't care. People just want any service. If Verizon and SBC could provide just 256k service to all of their customers, they'd get far more customers than by somehow guaranteeing 1.5mbps. For every one BROADBAND BRAT complaining that his 1.5mbps DSL is ONLY running at like 768k(that guy deserves to be smacked hard), there are 10 that can't get any service.

djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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quote:
Also dont forget, 1.5 mbps dsl customers will actually see 1.5 unlike comcast customers
A large percentage of Comcast cable customers see download speeds in excess of 1700kbps (they're capped at 1800kbps). Noticeably faster than SBC's 1200-1300kbps. Verizon customers will see closer to 1500, though, since they cap higher to compensate for ATM overhead.
vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD

Re: This is really getting old

said by djrobx See Profile:
quote:
Also dont forget, 1.5 mbps dsl customers will actually see 1.5 unlike comcast customers
A large percentage of Comcast cable customers see download speeds in excess of 1700kbps (they're capped at 1800kbps). Noticeably faster than SBC's 1200-1300kbps. Verizon customers will see closer to 1500, though, since they cap higher to compensate for ATM overhead.

1100-1200 for the entire DC area around here. I think thats why Montgomery county passed QoS standards against comcast, because the rest of the nation is so much better. I thought 1200 vs. advertised 1500 was the norm for cable.
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J D McDorce
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said by djrobx See Profile:
A large percentage of Comcast cable customers see download speeds in excess of 1700kbps
Define A large percentage. The listing at »/archive certainly does not indicate that the average Comcast customer sees downloads in excess of 1700kbps.
mdmathis6

join:2001-10-15
Midlothian, VA

"2003-05-18 05:30:55 EST: 1927 / 345
Your download speed : 1927507 bps, or 1927 kbps.
A 235.2 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 345642 bps, or 345 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!"

My speeds at Road Runner out of Time warner cable out of Ithaca, NY!

dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ

said by vic102482 See Profile:
Also dont forget, 1.5 mbps dsl customers will actually see 1.5 unlike comcast customers.:)
Actually they wont. with PPPoE/A overhead the best they'll see is around 1250kbps unless they factor that in when setting port speeds.
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Pathfinder
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join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY
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Re: This is really getting old

2003-05-14 23:56:14 EST: 1495 / 135
Your download speed : 1495357 bps, or 1495 kbps.
A 182.5 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 135846 bps, or 135 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!

My last speed test. Verizon actually provisions the 1.5/128 lies at 1760/160
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xrobertcmx
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Sterling, VA
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This isn't necessarily true. I had DSL for a year before Cable got to my area, and 3 or 4 months later they haven't even gotten a block past my house.
I don't live in the sticks either, this is a fairly large developed DC Suburb, our subdivision and the ones next to must include at least a few thousand people...the town house communitly has about 500 houses...and the mini mansions next door about 200-400 and who knows how many other by that.
soothsayer15

join:2002-03-01
Irving, TX
People on this site always says roll out Remote Terminals. Building out Remote Terminal just for DSL isn't cost effective. I don't care how big a business is or even if it's a monopoly, losing money with no plan to recoup it is stupid.
2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

Re: This is really getting old

Then DSL is dead and so are the RBOCs in the consumer marketplace. Cable, VOIP, and cellphones will all the consumer will need.
2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

BTW: When is SBC going to announce

this $24.95 package that people have been saying is coming for weeks? They don't really think they can play a poker game with cable do they? Cable won't even blink when they do announce it finally. Spreading rumors surely won't have any affect at all. The only thing that will is a VERY DETAILED COMPREHENSIVE DEPLOYMENT SCHEDULE OF 100% COVERAGE. The Verizon Wireless guy is working for the wrong department. What they need to have him do is walk door to door and ask, "Can I get DSL now?"

Sealink
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join:2002-08-09
U.S.

Re: BTW: When is SBC going to announce

It's funny, SBC lowered the cost of my DSL if I got their unlimited long distance service, so now I pay 29.95 for the 1500/128 package. I am probably a target of bundling here but oh well.

dvd536
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said by 2farfromCO7 See Profile:
this $24.95 package that people have been saying is coming for weeks? They don't really think they can play a poker game with cable do they
Cable is holding 4 aces. if you can get cable tv, you most likely can get HSI. There are no distance limitations with cable like there is with DSL. Price is only one point you can compete on. when it comes to speeds and availability its a no brainer. Cable.
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rchdjellis

join:2001-01-14
Narberth, PA

Re: BTW: When is SBC going to announce

I am in an area that has both Verizon and Comcast available.
We live in Comcast's home (eastern Montgomery county, PA) and were subscribers early on (198?). We dropped cable due to the high cost and limited improved content.
I have no desire to return to cable even with the expanded coverage as I don't watch much TV anymore. The web is more stimulating and offers more in the way of immediate access to desired content (don't forget to program the VCR for channel 10 at 11:00 PM for one hour).
I prefer the stability of DSL in terms of both connectivity and speed.
I do wish that DSL availability would grow!
It would knock the socks off of cable!
nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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exactly right

2farfromCO has it exactly right and I have said the same thing in other posts - Verizon can lower their price to $0 and I still won't switch from cable, BECAUSE I CAN'T GET DSL!

I don't know the numbers, but I am sure there are far more people who can only get cable compared to the number of people that can get cable or DSL and picked cable.

This "move" by verizon is only the first step and will really probably only pick up people that have no broadband (because $40-50 was too high) and keep current customers from switching when cable comes to their house (because cable would have been faster than their DSL). The next step is to roll out technology that will increase the distance AND speed of DSL and they are already waaayyyyy behind the curve on this.

I almost hate to say this, but comcast has really been getting their shit together and my service has been bulletproof for almost a year now. If verizon comes knocking on my door wanting me to switch, not only will their price have to be better, but their product will have to be better (such as faster speed).

Verizon is really pushing their unlimited local/long distance bundle for phone service in this area - I keep telling them I will be interested in a verizon bundle when I can also get DSL. If they don't start getting some new equipment installed soon, they will lose this race and when the cablecos start rolling out VOIP (and if the FCC doesn't fvk this service up) they will lose all of their business and go bankrupt.

wdoa

join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA
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Re: exactly right

Verizon doesn't even have all the major metro areas wired. DSL is only available to probably a little over half the city here in Worcester, MA and they have NO plans to expand. DSL will continue to be an "also ran" and the cable companies knowing they basically have a monopoly will continue with those yearly price increases and service limitations (cutting upload speed, download limitations, etc.)

N6BER

@mindspring.com

As the telcos continue to roll out their remote terminals more areas will be able to get DSL.

When I got mine the max speed was 1.5/128. SBC call and told me I could move to them, I'm using DSL Extreme, and go to 4MB now that the remove terminal was installed.
thegoldwater
Thegoldwater

join:2002-03-10
Parkton, MD

Verizon... Can you hook me up now?

Verizon's biggest challenge isn't pricing, it's access. In rural areas, DSL just can't compete with cable, because they spent so much time napping.

I would love to sign up for Verizon DSL where I live, but until the decentralize the plant and push the POPs further out, I can't get access. Because of this, I use Vonage for my home phone. I only use Verizon for cell service.

So they can give all the price infusions they want. Until they serve my needs, I can't use them.

tim_k
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Re: Verizon... Can you hook me up now?

said by thegoldwater See Profile:
Verizon's biggest challenge isn't pricing, it's access. In rural areas, DSL just can't compete with cable, because they spent so much time napping.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I've seen, the big cable companies avoid rural areas altogether. I don't blame Verizon for providing service where they will make the most profit first. I know cable will never make it out where I am. I have to wait for a RT to get DSL. I'm a little north of you, here is my broadband provider. See if you are in the coverage area.
»www.mtwirefree.net/coverage.htm
keyboard5684

join:2001-08-01
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Re: Verizon... Can you hook me up now?

You would be surprised as to where cable will go.
You are right about the big cable companies though, no desire for the big guys to do rural areas because there profit is so much smaller.

The little cable companies and ISPs are the ones bringing coverage to smaller areas because they actually care. The people making the decisions are usually local and care more about the area, unlike a guy in a suit in an office in NYC making choices based on a cool colorful chart.

tim_k
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Re: Verizon... Can you hook me up now?

said by keyboard5684 See Profile:
You would be surprised as to where cable will go.
You are right about the big cable companies though, no desire for the big guys to do rural areas because there profit is so much smaller.

The little cable companies and ISPs are the ones bringing coverage to smaller areas because they actually care. The people making the decisions are usually local and care more about the area, unlike a guy in a suit in an office in NYC making choices based on a cool colorful chart.
Exactly. My ISP is just a couple local guys who got tired of no broadband in this area.
icertweak

join:2002-10-24
Yorkton, SK


Wow is your service ever expensive. I live in Saskatchewan Canada. DSL is the ruling internet here. Almost every small town of like 400 people has DSL. It's ridicules. I use a wireless connection myself and it's great for speed and reliability. »/speedtests/14···53009879

My service costs $30 a month for 1500/128, DSL runs at $45 a month for 1500/128 & cable is at $40 for 1000/1000 - not a typo
[text was edited by author 2003-05-15 10:49:46]

tim_k
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Stewartstown, PA

Re: Verizon... Can you hook me up now?

Yeah, tell me about it. When it's the only broadband available, they can charge out the butt. I can't even get ISDN. Can't wait until they install a RT so I can get my Verizon employee discount.

Coward

@192.76.x.x

Do you think they dont want to increase their foot

Of course, you say: no plans to expand. According to Verizon, by the end of the year they want to expand availability by another 10 million by the end of this year alone. They only way they can do that is by adding equipment and deploying Remote Terminal installs. So, increasing the availability by 21% _and_ dropping the price is what Verizon wants to do to start combating cable.
kiersten

join:2001-12-13
Washington, DC

DSL chiming in

Just wanted to chime in with you all that think everyone gets cable in the world because I have DSL and I live in NW Washington, DC and have just gotten comcast digital cable but they've been saying we'd get cable modems for literally 2 years and when I ask every 6 months or so they say they have no definite timeline yet and this is for DC residents not some boondock place!
--Kiersten

DaveNJ
No Fear

join:1999-09-01
New Jersey

128 up, why bother ?

128 up is just too slow for me, cable all the way. And my cable company will be offering 1.4/1.4 soon.
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