 vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD | I didnt know it was a safe haven Well I know now!!!!!:D
Why cant they moniter it when it leaves the internet and hits the PBX? | |
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: I didnt know it was a safe haven said by chrisf8657  :
I don't think phones hook up directly to an ethernet card - yet  ...
You should call the copywright office for that one, thats a schwang idea.
How about a nic card with 2 ports. One hooks up a phone, and the other hooks up ethernet.
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Taget
@mindspring.com | Re: I didnt know it was a safe haven Or better yet one connects to your ethernet card and another connects from your computer to John Ashcroft. | |
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jtudor
Xm 60's On 6 Freak
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join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC
 ·AT&T Southeast
| Real IP telephones do indeed connect directly to Ethernet. Look at the Cisco IP telephones. The connect to your Ethernet network, and have an Ethernet port for you to connect a computer to....Yes the computer passes through the telephone, and you only need one drop to service both.
Of course you need Cisco IP telephony equipment on site to operate the equipment, and if you are connecting to a non- Ip phone, you have to have a connection to the POTS system somewhere, but if you have a WAN setup at locations around country or the world, and you are doing internal communications over IP, those signals never hit the POTS network.
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Upper Marlboro, MD
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: I didnt know it was a safe haven said by jtudor :
Real IP telephones do indeed connect directly to Ethernet.
Dammit being simple lol. We had IP phones right on our desks and I hooked some of those up myself d'oh*. (At my old job.) Its Friday thats my exscuse. lol
But we have an NT server playing the PBX on site here with the cisco IP telephony and video link software. Its pretty cool it allows us to do a multicast for a video feed so that everyone can watch TV on the computer.
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Sawn
U S M C
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Concord, CA
| said by vic102482 :
Well I know now!!!!!:D
Why cant they moniter it when it leaves the internet and hits the PBX?
Because it never hits the PBX.
From: »www.freeworldialup.com/
Free World Dialup does not provide access to the traditional telephone networks or cellular networks. FWD members can only call other FWD members and customers of IP-based service providers who have a business relationship with FWD.
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Sarge_0321
join:2002-06-27
San Diego, CA | Another way? A dial up modem that has a software path to the Ethernet connection? Plug in the telephone to the modem? Software interlinks it?
Nevermind that crappy mic and speaker routine. | |
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IronChefMoto
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join:2001-02-08
Alpharetta, GA
| Do y'all really see this as an opportunity for... ...criminals to circumvent legitimate wiretaps and eavesdropping? I'd be concerned, 'specially if terrorist cells or anti-government militia were able to use this sort of technology to get relatively unmonitorable communication.
Man -- the pitfalls of new technology. Hope they figure it out.
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| Cyron
join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC
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| Re: Do y'all really see this as an opportunity for... You could always ban all technological advances. Then criminals and terrorists would not be able to use technology for their devious purposes.
[text was edited by author 2003-03-28 15:39:59] | |
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MrTangent
join:2001-12-28
Earth
| Demonize and use buzz words to strike fear You knew they'd mention the "terrorist" angle because nothing sells sweeping spy powers (Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc.) like the word "terrorism"! Well placed paranoia, exploitation of fears and generalities and what-ifs sure do sell that propaganda!
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| JustInit
join:2001-07-20
South Jordan, UT
| Re: Demonize and use buzz words to strike fear said by MrTangent :
You knew they'd mention the "terrorist" angle because nothing sells sweeping spy powers (Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc.) like the word "terrorism"! Well placed paranoia, exploitation of fears and generalities and what-ifs sure do sell that propaganda!
Sure there may be some of what you mention going on with this but at the same time how many posts have you read that wave a warning flag regarding firewalls and PC security on this very forum?
The context is different but the concept is very much the same. Raise a warning to play on peoples fears or better yet, raise the warning to create the fear.
Most who frequent this forum would never even consider connecting to the Internet without running a firewall of some kind to "protect" them from the unseen cyber-assailant.
Furthermore there is a tendency to view any who don't recognize the risk of getting hacked as ignorant and even deserving of being hacked.
I recognize that the two scenarios are not exactly the same but, as I said, the concept is very much the same. | |
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Krytor
Reminiscing The Future
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join:2001-07-07
Indianapolis, IN
·AT&T U-Verse
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| Use good encryption? They forgot or chose to ignore good encryption?
Modified Devo "whip it" lyrics... *cough*
Encrypt that stream*
give the feds the slip
load up your app
send your message out
When a problem comes along
you must encrypt it
before the file sits out too long
you must encrypt it
when something's going wrong
you must encrypt it
Now encrypt it
into files
back it up
please wait
go connect
send it out
try to detect it
it's not too late
to encrypt it
encrypt it good
When a good idea comes around
you must encrypt it
you will never keep it safe
unless you encrypt it
no one gets their way
until they encrypt it
I say encrypt it
encrypt it good
* - data stream
edit: typo
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LoonRadio
Tranquility Base
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Erewhon | Re: Use good encryption? You deserve some sort of prize for that.
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David
Last man standing
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join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
clubs: | I will give that a thumbs up..... | |
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | VOIP over VPN yep - VOIP over VPN will make wire tapping totally useless. | |
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join:2000-08-16
·Digizip
| Seems to be the measure of freedom these days... If there is any possibility that the government can't access the private communications of its' citizens at will, the empowering technology and its users are labeled terrorist, or criminal, with no evidence of such activity required.
This growing fear of its' own citizens by government is a projection of the governments' own dishonesty, it is not based on a rational assessment of the loyalty or trustworthiness of the governed.
These days, our government abhors the freedoms which are our birthright. | |
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join:2002-09-16
Campbell, CA | Re: Seems to be the measure of freedom these days.
Now now... freedom isn't a right, it's a privilege!
(kidding) | |
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Cyron
join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC
| Ban Sign Language I think our government should ban Sign Language. Afterall, what's the point of planting a bug in someone's house/car/phone, if they can use sign language to defeat our technology.
It's those damn deaf people that invented something a terrorist might be able to use against everyone. | |
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flomokas
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join:2003-01-06
Moberly, MO
| Combating Terrorism Back in the 80's, I arrived at my first military assignment shortly after local Red Army members blew up some of equipment. Luckily, no one was hurt, except some careers went into the toilet. For a couple months guard duty became a serious matter, until higher ups could put into place major security.
What did this security consist of? A few pens of geese placed near the fence line. From my observations, geese do basically the 3 Ss: (1)sleep, (2)sham and (3)sh*t. Not always in that order. The real joke was that most the local Germans knew the attack was coming shortly before hand.
Unless people can get "free" equipment like Vonage provides, I don't see this really taking off due to the cost of the Cisco phone. | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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join:2000-07-01
Budd Lake, NJ
 ·Optimum Online
| More to ban... We should probably also be frightened of AIM, ICQ, IRC, steganography, IP phones set to talk directly to each other, and of course MSN Messenger. And don't forget all the video conferencing products. We should also probably get a jump on banning all cryptography as well. And winpopup.
Then when that's done, only the criminals will be able to use that stuff. 
These folks are very narrow-minded and incapable of thinking things through. There are plenty of ways for criminals to communicate that are not easily "tapped". There always will be.
Maybe it's all being pushed by the telcos, who figure pushing these requirements onto the likes of Net2Phone and Vonage will run them out of business. | |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
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join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith
| Re: More to ban... You forgot something...
FAX
In the name of the fight against terrorism, domestic security - whatever you want to call it, 1984 is approaching fast
And if anyone complains they will say that this is done only if there is suspected activity.
Who makes that definition?
And someone at the top will break sometime and use the information for personal use. It's just a matter of time. | |
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bear73
Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly Skies
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join:2001-06-09
Grand Forks Afb, ND
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| This isn't much different then the crazy gun-control laws (I can feel the flames already). The gun control laws have only slowed the folks buying guns honestly and legally. The criminals still can get their stuff through the black market. The lawmakers are just scared and think that more controls is the answer.
To the carpenter, every problem looks like a nail and he'll just hit it with his hammer.
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