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ParanoiaInc
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Tucker, GA | If caught, expell them! If a student is caught I say expel them from the school and note their transcripts (class records). This will make them think twice about engaging into this kind of activity. | |
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| Re: If caught, expell them! said by ParanoiaInc  :
If a student is caught I say expel them from the school and note their transcripts (class records). This will make them think twice about engaging into this kind of activity.
Thats just foolishness. Some student could be tricked into running the program, and the promise of extra income is more than tempting for those students strapped for cash. Expel them for spam? That will maim them for life, thats a little overboard dude. Worst case should be to confiscate their rights to the network or something.
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bokamba
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| (This is in response to both ParanoiaInc and vic102482) While I think it's unlikely that someone would be tricked into running such a program (though possible), you're right in that it doesn't merit expulsion. Things you can usually get expelled for are offenses like cheating, stealing, making bomb threats, or committing violent crimes. Forwarding spam only causes network slowdowns and overloads, and the damage done isn't likely to be expensive to take care of. Taking away network privileges is a better idea. | |
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richk_1957
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| I agree - Maybe If they are caught first time take away their network rights
When you download stuff these days, you don't know what app might be loaded without you're knowing si its POSSIBLE that someone could be doing it unknowingly. So If you catch someone, restricting their usage for a period should teach them a lesson.
The only way I could see any harsher penalties is that after someones restrictions ends, they set up a forwarding service again.
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| Re: I agree - Maybe said by richk_1957 :
When you download stuff these days, you don't know what app might be loaded without you're knowing si its POSSIBLE that someone could be doing it unknowingly.
Oh, come on! They're being paid to do it!
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Tucker, GA
| Maybe one should not being using the schools' resources for downloading stuff? Most department and or school required applications are installed either by a help desk or issued on hard copy.
Surfing the Internet via the schools' gateway is one thing, downloading and installing software is completely different and an abuse in and of itself. These young adults were knowingly downloading and installing software with the sole intent to make money. | |
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| They're using school resources to run a commercial enterprise. They should be expelled, just like an employer would fire an employee using company resources for a private enterprise.
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| Re: If caught, expell them! said by Bobcat :
They're using school resources to run a commercial enterprise. They should be expelled, just like an employer would fire an employee using company resources for a private enterprise.
Well put.
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Tucker, GA
| Re: If caught, expell them! I have to disagree, here. They are being paid, not tricked. The intent of college is to get an education, and not run a business. They can also sell crack, pot, or sex in exchange for money for services/product rendered and its the same thing--they are intentionally abusing the schools resources for personal financial gain.
I do not remember the last time any college or university, public or private, openly accepted or encouraged students to setup a business using school resources. Maybe they should consider why they are in school in the first place. | |
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Saint Louis, MO
| Re: If caught, expell them! said by ParanoiaInc :
I do not remember the last time any college or university, public or private, openly accepted or encouraged students to setup a business using school resources. Maybe they should consider why they are in school in the first place.
Business schools do that all the time. Pre-Business classes do that often as well.
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join:2003-02-07
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| said by Bobcat :
They're using school resources to run a commercial enterprise. They should be expelled, just like an employer would fire an employee using company resources for a private enterprise.
But you don't pay to go to work. You pay to go to college. Take away their network access for a term or for their stay at the school and be done with it. | |
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
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| How about keelhauling them?
Better yet, why not just crucify them?
These are college kids, for crying out loud.
Ruin their lives because they thought it was an easy way to make $20 running a program that they may or may not have known was a spam relay?
How about better education from the school's IT department and revoking connection privileges for a specified time after the first warning?
Having known a couple of students who have lost their access privileges, it was tough punishment for them. | |
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bokamba
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Falls Church, VA | Re: If caught, expell them! They do need some sort of warning before revoking privileges for spamming, unless it's already in the network user rules that the students agree to. | |
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| Re: If caught, expel them! said by Voyager2K2 :
These are college kids, for crying out loud.
Maybe. However, "they" are getting to the kids even earlier. See the following thread about grade-schoolers (or people purporting to be doing a science project) are harvesting email addresses:
»Science Project E-mail harvesting?
If we are paying school taxes so schools can have newer / better / upgraded computers, why can't the teachers become more informed on the various ways surfers can protect themselves against spam?
I am continually amazed that even supposedly knowledgeable people can leave themselves (and their email correspondents) open to spammers! | |
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join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA
| Re: If caught, expell them! They are adults, not kids! Just because they may be younger than yourself does not make them any less adult in the eyes of the law, the institution's policies, etc.
How about you let them take your car for delivering pizza without your permission? Oh, then its personal! | |
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join:2001-08-09
Houston, TX
| said by ParanoiaInc :
If a student is caught I say expel them from the school and note their transcripts (class records). This will make them think twice about engaging into this kind of activity.
This is an overreaction. As obnoxious as spam can be, the activity being described is nothing more than a violation of a school's acceptable use policies regarding network resources. As such, it is a fairly minor offense. Minor offenses do not merit maximum retribution.
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join:2002-01-05
Hibbing, MN | Lovely spam I say the collage's should take advantage of this and offer rewards to those who turn in spammers. Use the collage connections as bait. If you offer cheese the rat will come.
"But I dont like spam" -Monty Python | |
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Tucker, GA | Re: Lovely spam 1984
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if some schmo in Michigan can buy an 800,000 dollar house with spam, why can't I? | |
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join:2001-08-17
Pahrump, NV | Pull the plug This will go on your permanent record !!... | |
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sago
join:2001-12-19
| spamming is bad, bad, bad. You shouldn't do it. This message needs to be gotten across to more people. It leaves a negative impression on your most valuable customers.
I think too many people (WorldCom execs included) have a disrespectful approach towards their fellow human beings.
This has a lot to do with respect, and whether you would be willing to compromise the respect for other human beings for a price.
Unfortunately many college campuses here in the US are breeding grounds for arrogance and competition that involves one's worth as a human being. I can understand using your brain power to forge ahead in your studies and research, but these WorldComish attitudes of not caring about anyone or anything than yourself are becoming fairly common in our first-world society.
Spamming, if you KNOW you are doing it (meaning it's not a virus and you weren't tricked into intsalling the software) should be a serious offense. They should turn off your internet connection for good. You can go to the university library to if you need to use the internet. | |
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join:2001-09-18
Springfield, MA
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Fraudulently using State resources to profit ??
Using equipment bought and paid for by Federal Tax money to do it ??
Violating the College TOS/AUP ??
I think there's a Law or two being broken in there somewhere.
Bottom line: They're (mostly) over 18, and just as responsible for their actions as the next person.
Getting paid for it ??
That sort of negates the lamest post in this thread:
"they didn't know..."
Bull - nobody "tricked" them - they knew enough to set up the account.
They knew EXACTLY what they're doing - and how much it was worth.
Throw them off campus, BEFORE they have a chance to set up more fraudulent accounts to make more money.
Tax dollars are spent to give them an education, not for them to run pirate businesses off of, and they know that.
Those students aren't "stoopid" - they're con artists, regardless of their age.
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| Re: These responses sound like student posts said by Post Modern$ :
Fraudulently using State resources to profit ??
Using equipment bought and paid for by Federal Tax money to do it ??
Tax dollars are spent to give them an education, not for them to run pirate businesses off of, and they know that.
Incidentally, Tufts is a private school (fees and tuition: $28,155). Computing resources are purchased out of a student fee.
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| Re: These responses sound like student posts .
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Equally incidentally, Tufts, like all Colleges are partially supported by Federal Loans, and Federal Grants, and the studentship is supported by Federal Loan programs... $28 Grand doesn't cover it anymore.
Without Federal Funding, there wouldn't even be a student fund - that money would go to putty up the holes left from the lack of Federal Support (and it wouldn't be enough to fo the job).
Who do you think pays for the Internet access at Colleges ?? The College ?? The Students ??
ALL College level Internet is at least partially funded by a FEDERALLY FUNDED SUPLIMENTAL PROGRAM.
PURPOSEFUL MIS-USE OF THOSE FUNDS IS FEDERAL FRAUD.
The original Internet started at Colleges, supplimentally funded by Federal Grants.
The new Internet (which is already in place in 180 Colleges and Universities - it's called ABALENE - true 10MBPS - BOTH ways) is also a Federally Funded program.
Welcome to the 21st. Century.
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
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join:2002-05-13
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| Re: These responses sound like student posts Depends on the school. For example, at UCBerkeley (a public school no less) many students do pay directly for their own internet access through several student group sponsered isp programs.
Support by federal loans also does not make a difference (check out the case of Bob Jones University) as the support is considered to go to the student. Grants are a different matter, and some colleges do disallow their students from receiving federal grants (such as Bob Jones). And that point is even moot as federal loans and grants cannot be used to pay for student computing fees. While there is a possibility that some computing equipment is connected to federal tax money, there easily be a direct connection drawn between any given piece of equipment (such as the mail server) and the source of funds for that equipment.
If you want to use the "INTERNET BANDWIDTH IS PART OF A FEDERALLY FUNDED SUPPLIMENTAL PROGRAM." then technically any and all non-academic uses of internet bandwidth is federal fraud, not just those done on a college campus.
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Private Schools vary in range, category and qualifications.
Some Private Schools don't receive any funds because they're entirely supported and staffed privately, often times with un-certified teachers (such as Parochial schools) and don't qualify.
Like "Bobs College".
Which is, technically, a joke....
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| i remmeber there was some program that people were isntallign that used ALL your pipe when your conmuter is idle to transwer something.. it was big project by someone some know what im talking about?
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Ogden, IA | If they are paid...boot them If they are being paid to do it, then they should be booted for one term. I can believe some fool did this for twenty bucks? He/she can sell blood and plasma and make over 100 a month. | |
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newview
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD | They're part of the problem If ANYONE is sending UCE, they're spammers. They should have their connection terminated, just like any other spammer. | |
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I Vant Blud
join:2002-01-02
Denville, NJ
| Instead of going RIAA/MPAA on these people. In my opinion colleges should try to stomp out the source of the problem before dealing with the accomplices. Sure, students operating these types of programs should be subjecting to warnings and internet, plus other privileges. You just can't go around playing Whack-A-Mole, like the RIAA/MPAA, to every single and expect huge results. Colleges should start really exercising their IT-Department on what they were really meant for, monitoring and enforcing network traffic so software like this never has a chance at getting in or out.
And please do not go on about the "good ol' days" because our government is standing today because of the dignity of it's people, despite these times.
Plus please no America bashing because that gets us nowhere.
Also thanks to people like ParanoiaInc (But more newview) and others, I have concluded that I found the root of RIAA/MPAA mentality. I know you people mean well but think about the consequences before you act.
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| Read the rules Even at universities, there are usage policies. Just like your ISP. You are paying for your usage on their bandwidth. You still have to follow their rules. Most ISPs will charge a hefty fine for each occurrance of spam. I personally helped bust a guy with 5000 counts of sending unsolicited email, to our company, at $250 per count.
We can all think what we want, but since the Universities are the ISP, you have to follow their rules and suffer their consequences.
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