said by ptrowski :

Heck, I would be happy just to see fiber near me, never mind those speeds!

said by bogey780 :

Yea, we are.

What's your point?

said by bogey780 :

What other country is technologically superior to us? Perhaps Japan or South Korea. But certainly not France.

said by jinjimbob :

Not when it comes to deodorant though.

said by grandpinaple :

France is the size of an American state with a population of 60,000,000 so they are denser and smaller hmmm seems ideal for nuclear power. We have alot of nuclear powerplants so don''t say France is superior. The US does need more though.

said by kamm :

In NYC you stuck with once cable provider and one telco owns all the copper wires. And the overwhelming majority of US live in cities like NYC just smaller.

said by patcat88 :

TW and Cablevision DO NOT overlap, in NYC for "incumbant cable" you have cablevision or TW, RCN's territory is anywhere in NYC, but RCN doesnt have any build out mandates like TW or CV, and therefore only serves contracted buildings (MDU) and some neighborhoods (NW Queens is a total coverage area by RCN that comes to mind).

said by wifi4milez :

Thats not true. There are actually two cable companies serving NYC; TWC and RCN. Three if you count Cablevision (they have limited NY Metro area coverage), and Four if you count satellite (and there are a few choices for that too).

As for one telco owning the copper, that couldnt be farther from the truth. While Verizon does own the majority of the copper infrastructure, MANY other carriers have their own fiber. In fact, most larger (commercial) buildings in (every borough) the city have at least two, diverse, independent carriers bringing service to the building (if not more).

said by kamm :

ouch. Are you seriously couldn't grasp it?

I was talking about monopolies - which puts my point obviously into per customer dimension.

said by wifi4milez :

As for one telco owning the copper, that couldnt be farther from the truth. While Verizon does own the majority of the copper infrastructure, MANY other carriers have their own fiber. In fact, most larger (commercial) buildings in (every borough) the city have at least two, diverse, independent carriers bringing service to the building (if not more).

said by kamm :

Ouch x2.

Once again, it's about the customer - that's why when you order a DSL, it has to go through Verizon.

said by wifi4milez :

Thats funny, last time I checked TWC, RCN, and Cablevision were all independent companies (therefore NOT a monopoly).

Wrong again.

As I previously mentioned, many NYC buildings are wired by alternate carriers. When a telco or ISP brings a building "on net", then they provision you an end to end circuit.

said by bogey780 :

What argument do you want to make?

Technological superiority or broadband superiority. I can't argue if you're switching claims mid-stream.

said by Nuts :

One issue to keep is mind though is population density.

France has about 111 people/km
the EU has about 114 people/km
The US has about 31 people/km

when deploying technology, it takes more money and time to get it done and longer to get a return on investment in a lot of areas.

I'm not sticking up for the telcos/cablecos. I live in a rural area of NW Ohio and cann't get broadband. And now Verizon wants to sell its Ohio lines so it doesn't have to put in FIOS to us hicks.

said by kamm :

Over 80 PERCENT of the US population LIVE IN METROPOLITAN AREAs.

It's a fact, see 2003 or 2004 Census Bureau data.

said by sykocus :

Even so the residential areas of Americans largest metropolitan areas are often less dense then European cities. This is especially true on the west coast where 3 of the top 10 most populated cities in the US are. Going by the population and metro areas in wikipedia.

Paris:
11,174,743 (1999) people living in 14,518.3 sq km
New York City
8,104,079 (2004) people living in 18,709,802 sq km
Los Angeles
3,844,828 (2005) people living in 12,925,330 sq km
Chicago
2,842,518 (2005) people living in 9,391,515 sq km

said by sykocus :

Even so the residential areas of Americans largest metropolitan areas are often less dense then European cities. This is especially true on the west coast where 3 of the top 10 most populated cities in the US are. Going by the population and metro areas in wikipedia.

Paris:
11,174,743 (1999) people living in 14,518.3 sq km
New York City
8,104,079 (2004) people living in 18,709,802 sq km
Los Angeles
3,844,828 (2005) people living in 12,925,330 sq km
Chicago
2,842,518 (2005) people living in 9,391,515 sq km

said by wifi4milez :

Exactly. Thats all that needs to be said. If people still dont get it then there is something wrong with them......

said by LinuxJunkie :

Hey kamm do you work are you sitting around collecting welfare? Every article on this site you have like 1,000 responses to EVERYTHING. Get a life.

said by kamm :

As I said. If there is an idiot who believes Paris is bigger than NYC then I can't say too much than I hope he's at least living very far from NYC, hence these idiotic beliefs.

said by sykocus :

I don't claim my numbers are infalible. I'm making the point the population density is a important part of the lack of broadband growth in the US. NYC was just one figure. Many of the most poupulous cities in the US are much more spread out. Los Angeles, San Fran, San Diego, Houston, San Antonio, for example.

If I'm wrong in this, then don't call names. Put up figures to show it.

said by pepe7 :

ROTFL

No, you left because you were flat out wrong and don't listen to the realities of what other folks have to offer, Kamm .

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Changed my mind, enough from this circus

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said by kamm :

Umm what are you mumbling, pal?

EDGE != HSDPA

WHich part you are unable to grasp?