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@telepacific.net
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dnoyeB 
| Conrats, Glenwood Springs Taxpayers And AT&T starts faster and cheaper service there in three weeks. Too bad for the tax payers. | |
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i5050MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
| Re: Conrats, Glenwood Springs Taxpayers My guess is that AT&T and the local telco were not serving Glenwood Spring's need for broadband. Broadband is no longer a luxury, it's a necessity. Cities and towns without it are going to wither and die.
Residential property values in areas without broadband are already falling. So you either spend a little tax money on broadband now or you take a big hit later when you try to sell your house.
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Thran
join:2002-01-05
Hibbing, MN | the wave of the future Seems to be the wave of the future I've read a lot about towns taking broadband into there own hands. | |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
Premium
join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
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| Yay Taxpayers...Internet by DMV Gotta love those taxpayers...flowing the never ending supply of money to government hacks. Just the fiber install alone went 25% over budget..chi-ching that will be another $600,000.00 Then they'll run the competitors out of business with taxpayer subsidized lower prices...then ON WITH THE HIKES.
The government has never successfully run any program nevertheless have done anything efficiently. I'm all for a government deployment plan...but do we really need internet by DMV?
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
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| You are discounting the fact that this is local government, not federal. Local governments have run communities since the beginning of time.
If the city owns the network, they can regulate the prices as they see fit. Its foolish to think they cant. prices get to high, city gets new mayor. With AT&T if prices get too high, you suck it up and pay anyway. Please don't suggest their is a respectable alternative when these companies have monopolies.
I am really interested in why people think government is worse than private companies. Government may bungle a job and end up wasting money. However, private companies whole intention is to take as much of your money as possible from the start.
I am still against LARGE anything. If it gets too big it gets inefficient. ala General Motors, or the federal government. But a local municipality should be able to manage. Its happening all over the nation. Not to mention they can have people bid for the backbone every few years.
Greed does not work for us. I will not be convenced otherwise.
As for price hikes, who gets the profits? City officials are not compensated like CEOs. Their are no million dollar bonuses. The profits go into the cities budget to pay for services. At this point you only need to argue over poor spending.
I am just a proponent of city services. Unity is good. I would prefer to pay the city for my gas, electricity, everything. When they screw up, city officials always pay. Companies are just made not to pay.
One thing though. I will not have my city into any type of industrial stuff. Just services. The government is still the biggest polluter...
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bbrkdub
join:2001-10-03
Arlington, VA | Re: Yay Taxpayers...Internet by DMV quote:
I am still against LARGE anything. If it gets too big it gets inefficient.
I believe the economic term is economies of scale.
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
Premium
join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| There has NEVER been a single successful government program. Even local government failure is the rule. There is hardly anything worse than a Jr. hack. As for your AT&T example...anyone not interested in service doesn't have to pay for it. There...with government run BB...EVERYONE had to pay for it whether they wanted it or not...and to add insult to injury...like ALL government programs it went WAY over budget. That is how government is worse than business.
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
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| Re: Yay Taxpayers...Internet by DMV Most of the older large corporations in the US started out heavily subsidised by the government or as government agencies. We have managed to hold on to the post office. I don't consider it a failure by any means. There are those however that wish to enrich just a few individuals and always are pushing for privitization. They always claim that privitization means success. The current economy would disagree. The current wave of 'scandals' would disagree. If you even want to call em scandals. Its natural that people all about money will only seek to make money and care less about the people...
What is happening as local municipalities get ripped out of the energy business? Are they getting more efficient? Are prices going down? No. They are stealing more. Prices are going straight up. The people are barred from seing where the money comes from and where it goes because they are 'private.'
At the end of the day, were all Americans. The SAME people that work for the government work for private corporations. They go to the same schools and have the same educations. So I don't understand how anyone can say just because its government its destined to fail.
Again, this is a story that comes out abotu once per month. These communities are doing well to roll out their own broadband. Id rather pay for public housing than for some fat cat sitting on the beach in the bahamas.
I should add that once they start making money your taxes will go down. (ha! I'm not that insane) But at least you can know where the money is going and get rid of the mayour if he mismanages it.
Let us not forget the government gambleing business which is quite successful and profitable.
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
Premium
join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| Re: Yay Taxpayers...Internet by DMV The U.S. Postal Service was privitized. And government gambling? You mean the lotto that supposed to help schools? (That's how they sold it in California). Well...that program here is a TOTAL failure. The schools haven't gotten crap, and what they do get the legislature just takes back in the form of budget cuts. Yeah...great program.
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Kansas City, MO
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| Re: Yay Taxpayers...Internet by DMV Do you get welfare checks? do you get food stamps? There are dozens of examples of things that not everyone uses, but we ALL pay for. Except for all other govt programs, this can gain direct profits, or at least the debt will be paid off by those who are using it. We spends millions of dollars on things that you dont use at all.
The government subsidizes many radio stations that i dont listen to, but i pay taxes on. I dont have kids, why should i have to pay school taxes?
The internet is the future. we are all becoming more wired. Frankly, I'd rather be paying taxes on internet rollout than many other things i've gotta pay for.
and for the person that said the government cant do anything right.
Can you read? can you write? the government paid your teachers to educate you. | |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
Premium
join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
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| Re: Yay Taxpayers...Internet by DMV Yep and welfare and food stamp programs are filled with fraud and help no one. The government wasting billions on 1 program is no excuse for a local government to waste millions on another. BTW...I went to private school because our local public schools are a JOKE. Another brilliant example of government waste...public schools. Billions upon billions wasted and kids aren't learning. In California, universities are having to send Freshman back to remedial learning courses because the public schools just passed them to get more money.
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Xure
@uswest.net
| The land of the ISP Horror Notorious... quit yer whining....
Hell people got together to kick ass of these fat cat companies and they should get thumbs up from every1 for this. None of these "broadband" companies even offer broadband. They offer bad substitutes which are supposed to compete with dial-up and not quality broadband.
Please... I am glad to hear that people can get broadband and ATT and QWEST and other worthless Colorado ISPs will NOT get a piece of that pie ( Glenwood broadband market ) and that also means more servers in Colorado for the rest of us!
BTW I live in Colorado and cant get quality broadband worth shiznit!
All of these "ISPs" are sitting with a thumb up their collective a##! Pardon my language but there is no real solution to these big companies just not caring for providing decent broadband to the Joe Sixpack small consumer! Finally some of them band together and in the best way - circumventing the fat cats who never cared enough for them to bring their services to Glenwood!
Apologize in advance for flaming but I am just so passionate about this issue. I just feel cheated by our local "ISPs". | |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
·Insight Communicat..
|  Local Gov't
All we did is meet with the fire dept. to secure access to their radio antenna (long paid for) for the base station, and meet with the provider to get a feel for their background, financing, business plan, etc.
We aren't endorsing them as a provider, nor are we doing any aggressive marketing for them-just giving them access to an antenna, and in exchange, free broadband for that location. Due to its centralized location, the signal blankets the nearby industrial park that is grossly underserved by the local telco/cable company, and the entire municipality, giving another choice to residents for access. Everyone wins-the taxpayers didn't fork over anything, the fire dept gets a free circuit, the industrial park gets access to broadband that they didn't have before, and all the while the city gov't isn't in bed with this provider, but allows that provider access to a market of customers that want/need their service. Win, win, win.
Now explain why this is a bad thing?
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bbrilliant
@attbi.com
| GWS running! $29.95/mo. for megabit speed It's official, $29.95 per month (first 3 months). 3 Free Emails, Ethernet at the home. City provides the equipment for *free* for the duration of the contract. $150 installation and setup. I witnessed 2.2 megabits on an XP system attached to the AspenWorks/CBN wireless network. Flyer says 512Kbits, but the real throughput is not capped off at 512K. Ping times are in the 50 ms range to Apple.com for example. Flyer says $49.95 per month after the promo. Its the best deal going so far. City made the right choice. GWSprings.net. | |
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