www.broadbandreports.com
  republican-creole
Search:  

 
   NewsSite BlogMBBMSWatchBurnfolder
newer
story category 2008: The Battle For ISP Piracy Filters
AT&T is up for it...which ISP is next?
09:28AM Thursday Jan 24 2008 by Karl
tags: Fileswapping · business · content
After spending considerably effort putting legal pressure on Universities to stop file trading, expect the RIAA and MPAA this year to put their attention squarely on ISPs. The entertainment industry has ratcheted up pressure for ISPs to begin filtering pirated content, and NBC Universal would love to see filters placed within home broadband hardware. Most ISPs, with the exception of AT&T, aren't eager to become cyber-piracy nannies.

Some estimates say no less than 80 per cent of all internet traffic comprises copyright-infringing files on P2P networks.
-IFPI
The pressure on ISPs is global. The entertainment industry's international arm, the IFPI, this week issued a report (via Paid Content) that claims that ISPs have allowed piracy to "run rampant" across their networks "under the guise of technological advancement."
"Some estimates say no less than 80 per cent of all internet traffic comprises copyright-infringing files on P2P networks. ISPs have largely stood by, allowing a massive devaluation of copyrighted music. This ... has prompted a crisis in recorded music. There is only one acceptable moment for ISPs to start taking responsibility for protecting content – and that moment is now."
The IFPI wants European ISPs to implement a three strikes and you're out policy, whereby users get booted from the network after the third offense. Groups like the EFF have argued that such filters would curtail artist and consumer rights, interfere with the transfer of legitimate copyrighted materials, limit innovation, increase broadband prices and, most likely, ultimately do little to thwart piracy:
Introducing filtering technology at ISP facilities would simply cause infringing Net users to encrypt their communications, eliminating any chance that these filters could successfully target these transfers. Such encrypted content cannot be examined or blocked by third parties such as ISPs.
Filters may also annoy investors who don't like the added cost of the ISP playing watchdog for other industries. Many customers will also quickly decide to find unfiltered broadband service elsewhere.

Related:
  1. MPAA: Filtering Pirates Would Increase Capacity
  2. Europe Rejects 'Three Strikes' Anti-Piracy Plan
  3. Comcast Scraps P2P 'Bill Of Rights' Idea
  4. ISPs To Start Booting More P2P Users
  5. Canada Considering ISP Piracy Tax?
  6. U2 Manager: Crazy ISP Hippies Should Pay Us
  7. Send Your Enemy's Printer A DMCA Warning!
  8. Rhapsody Ditches the DRM
Forums » 2008: The Battle For ISP Piracy Filters

Comments
view: topics flat text 
Post a:
page: 1 · 2

waybehind

@vianet.ca

from:
SRFireside See Profile

80%

If 80% of the data that passes the network is entertainement content don't you think they are missing the boat?

I see market potential here not a reason to filter.

jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs:

Re: 80%

I hope att does become liability and gets massively sued. If i can see evidence of this no matter how small on my internet im gone.
--
3 free for you/3 free for me: Free Stock Trades : PM Me
underdog
Premium
join:2006-06-25
Philadelphia, PA

When are these greedy AHOLE'S are going to get it if they would complete instead of trying strong arm and just actually get the customer a service nobody would care. People would still go out buy media but the whole drm need to go away as well as those AHOLE'S LIKE RIAA AND MPAA.........

P Ness
You'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already
Premium
join:2001-08-29
Cromwell, CT
clubs:

Lawsuits

if they start to filter they will lose the immunity they currently have

then if the filters fail they will be open to massive lawsuits by admitting guilt through their filters.

sure the movie/music companies are behind this, but when it fails and they have no one with real money to sue who do you think they will go after??? the billion dollar att?? lol

att= stupid
--
www.stopfcc.comI do not think the government needs to restrict free speech especially on a device that has an off knob.

TK Junk Mail
Golf season has returned - hurrah
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
clubs:
·Comcast

Re: Lawsuits

said by P Ness See Profile :

if they start to filter they will lose the immunity they currently have

Assuming no changes in the law. And if the ISPs do agree to filter, they WILL get a change in the law to protect them from lawsuits. To think otherwise goes against what everyone here always says - that the companies own the Congress.
--
Internet News
My BLOG
My Web Page
jc100

join:2002-04-10
·RoadRunner Cable


edit:
January 24th, @09:38AM

Charge the RIAA / MPAA

And the drama continues.... Someone needs to pull the thorn out of their asses, that's for sure. With all the money they piss away on lobbying, suing, etc, they could be paying their artists decently. Not to mention, they could use this money to produce stuff that was worth a crap. Hell, if they released stuff worth buying, I think most would go out and do so. I know movies I love, I still buy and pay to see. It's just that most that come out aren't worth the time of day. Who the hell wants to drop ten dollars, knowing it'll be no better than a 2 hour time killer. The same with CDs. I've got no problem buying ones I like or the songs I like, but that's a rarity on the CDS. It's been ages since a CD has come out with more than half a cd with good songs. Usually, you got 1 or 2 and the rest crummy fillers. Hence, the pay per mp3 model is just fine. Maybe, they should work on these things, and I bet their profits would rise.

P.S. the AA's have nothing to lose when ISPS get sued into oblivion now do they? If I were an ISP and forced to implement this crap, I'd make the AA's assume all legal responsibility so the class actions would get directed their way. At least most ISPS have common sense to know this is dangerous ground, except ATT... But they've got what's coming as long as immunity isn't handed out.

jhboricua
ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
clubs:

80%????

They must have hired the same people the MPAA used to incorrectly claim that 44% of the film industry's domestic losses came from college piracy. :/

This is bull, nothing more.
flash58

join:2004-02-01
Spokane, WA

Re: 80%????

Yep, it's Bull...80% of internet traffic is porn.

furlonium
Computer Over? Virus equals Very Yes?

join:2002-05-08
Bethlehem, PA
·RCN CABLE

Re: 80%????

said by flash58 See Profile :

Yep, it's Bull...80% of internet traffic is porn.
Yep, it's Bull...80% of internet traffic is dadkins See Profile downloading porn.

Rogue Wolf
Gave At The Office

join:2003-08-12
Saratoga Springs, NY

Re: 80%????

80%?

He must be cutting down.


tapeloop
Triceratops 130 bbl
Premium
join:2004-06-27
Airstrip One


edit:
January 24th, @02:09PM

Attempting the math...

So if 80% of internet traffic is P2P activity,

and 10% of 'net traffic is from YouTube,
»www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/···-traffic
(or, perhaps not)

and another 6.5% of traffic is from social networking sites,
»www.hitwise.com/press-center/hit···ch07.php

and 20-30% of traffic is porn,
»observer.guardian.co.uk/review/s···,00.html
»articles.moneycentral.msn.com/In···ing.aspx
»www.caslon.com.au/xcontentprofile.htm

and 30-50% of traffic is spam on top of that,
»www.spam.org/info/Spam_Positon_Paper.htm
»www.thocp.net/reference/internet/spam.htm

that brings the total to around...177%.

So how am I able to post here...?

We need more tubes, stat!
--
"I love mankind. It's people I can't stand."

--L. van Pelt
TheMG

join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB

Re: 80%????

You're right, 80% is complete and utter BS.
Kearnstd
Elf Wizard

join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
the youtube figure was 10% of all HTTP traffic not raw internet traffic.
--
[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports

tapeloop
Triceratops 130 bbl
Premium
join:2004-06-27
Airstrip One


edit:
January 28th, @12:20PM

Re: 80%????

said by Kearnstd See Profile :

the youtube figure was 10% of all HTTP traffic not raw internet traffic.
60% of your statement is correct, but the remaining 75% is inaccurate.

piracysells

@verizon.net

$$

piracy sells broadband subscriptions and drives growth/profits
the same can be said about porn
the same can be said about free and fee content

so goes the quandary.. do ISPs risk cutting off subscribers at the risk of losing the $ubscription$? after all, their bread isn't buttered at the riaa / mpaa, now is it?
many isps in their advertising campaigns have touted the benefits of downloading audio (mp3s) and video (many file formats & sources), even online gaming as reasons to subscribe to high speed internet services... if the content somehow goes away and that benefit isn't so great anymore.. well, you can only guess what will happen-- Docsis 3 & FTTN/P won't seem so attractive anymore at any price

how much interference will customers tolerate?

We'll start to see the results this year of AT&T's net filters, Comcasts throttling of p2p & online gaming (ex. WOW), Time Warner's trial data caps and others. No doubt customers will be angry enough to vote with their feet & wallet.

Kilroy
Premium,MVM
join:2002-11-21
Sterling Heights, MI

A recent study shows

That there is no Internet traffic comprised of copyright-infringing files on the network.

The quoted study include me, myself and I and has a statisical variance of -/= 10%.

Estamate is just another name for guess. If you don't really know, don't give a number.
--
How hard does DRM have to bite before business abandon it?

Skeedatl
To Provoke and Annoy
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
·Verizon FIOS
·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
·ViaTalk
·Time Warner VOIP
·Cox VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable


edit:
January 24th, @10:10AM

Meanwhile they are making TITANIC profits on their content

MPAA and RIAA cries poverty due to piracy while members like NBC/Universal rake in near 50% margins on their huge revenue »www.electronista.com/articles/08···it.4q07/

They whine about how much the writers cost, and how much piracy costs, while turning to investors to tell them that they're experiencing "RECORD PERFORMANCE".

STFU whiners and give the writers that measly 4 cents a DVD.
satellite68

join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
·Vonage
·Insight Communicat..

The Real Crisis

quote:
This ... has prompted a crisis in recorded music
No, THIS has:



and this:



and this:



and so on. think of some horrible hot selling pop act and then "wonder" why there's a "crisis".

(shudders) Add the never ending heavy rotation of what Klear Channel thinks is "cool" to play in their 5 song hit list on every FM station in the country, and then tell me why there's a "crisis".

Idiots.

Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Austin, TX
clubs:

Re: The Real Crisis

I regret that I can only give 1 thumbs up on your post. It needs more.

sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
the problem is that we live in a world where people believe that celebrity equates to talent (as opposed to talent leads to celebrity). So, the goal of the music and motion picture industry is to create celebrity, not to find talent.

Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Austin, TX
clubs:
·VoicePulse

Re: The Real Crisis

Obviously in the case of music, that "goal" isn't working, or their sales wouldn't be in the toilet.

Britney is extremely popular in the 10-14 year old girl group, but that group is entirely unemployed.
--
Intel Quad Core QX6700 @3500Mhz/Asus P5N32-E SLI/4x 1024Mb Corsair/Seagate 750.10/PNY 7800GTs SLI/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler

sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed

Host:
Rogers
Bell Sympatico

Re: The Real Crisis

Parents would buy that stuff for their kids in the years gone by, but I think they're getting more particular in what they'll buy them now after seeing what the industry's creating.

But none of the AA's strategies are working too well, except scare and sue the crap out of people and keep the monies for themselves.

BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl

join:2007-01-11

said by Camelot One See Profile :

10-14 year old girl group, but that group is entirely unemployed.
Guess you never watch Maury!?!

Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Austin, TX
clubs:
·VoicePulse

Re: The Real Crisis

said by BabyBear See Profile :

said by Camelot One See Profile :

10-14 year old girl group, but that group is entirely unemployed.
Guess you never watch Maury!?!
Still a group of unemployed - non money spending people. Even if they are 14 going on 50.
--
Intel Quad Core QX6700 @3500Mhz/Asus P5N32-E SLI/4x 1024Mb Corsair/Seagate 750.10/PNY 7800GTs SLI/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler

sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0

Re: The Real Crisis

Don't believe they don't spend money. They get ALLOWANCES, and some of them get pretty hefty allowances too! The sure as hell beat my 50c!
Kearnstd
Elf Wizard

join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

Re: The Real Crisis

said by sbrook See Profile :

Don't believe they don't spend money. They get ALLOWANCES, and some of them get pretty hefty allowances too! The sure as hell beat my 50c!
and boys in the low teens could also be starting to mow lawns. i did that in the 13-16 age group, best of all its tax free income.
--
[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports

DOStradamus
MVM
join:2003-11-04
Santa Rosa, CA

And, what did they do to make room for poseurs of this ilk in their catalogues? Take product off the market that I would (and in some cases, have tried in vain to,) BUY.

When they force longtime customers like me to choose between $60.00 at Ebay, $48.00 at GEMM, or "free" at The Pirate Bay (or Demonoid, R.I.P.), they might as well have emailed me the links to a list of websites of that sort; when I found I could not even special order "(CD Title)" at the local shop that I had purchased all of my music for 20 years from, I started searching the web for "(CD Title)", and subsequently, I often could only find what I was lookin for in the land of "trackers, seeders, and leechers".

"Thanks for sending me in that direction, Mr. Cary, and constituents. It's tragically funny to watch you all paint bulls-eyes over your tarsal bones!

-NK

brandon
Some truth included in this post.
Premium
join:2003-03-31
Hurley, MS
·AT&T Southeast
·CableOne
·Packet8

said by satellite68 See Profile :

quote:
This ... has prompted a crisis in recorded music
No, THIS has:
snip
Creed made good music, mang.
satellite68

join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
·Vonage
·Insight Communicat..

Re: The Real Crisis

said by brandon See Profile :

said by satellite68 See Profile :

quote:
This ... has prompted a crisis in recorded music
No, THIS has:
snip
Creed made good music, mang.
That's like, your opinion, man...

Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Austin, TX
clubs:
·VoicePulse

Re: The Real Crisis

said by satellite68 See Profile :

That's like, your opinion, man...
It actually IS his opinion, it's not "like" anything
--
Intel Quad Core QX6700 @3500Mhz/Asus P5N32-E SLI/4x 1024Mb Corsair/Seagate 750.10/PNY 7800GTs SLI/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler

mb

join:2000-07-23
Washington, NJ

K.I.S.S.

Keep the pipe wide open. Penalize the violators.

swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable

Re: K.I.S.S.

"pipe wide open. Penalize the violators" would save some cost for the ISPs, because they can't do much else.

This will reiterate previous posts, but the same dumb ideas keep being advanced, and someone has to keep shooting them down.

Practically all content that ever goes thru an internet connection is copyrighted. It would be impossible for an ISP, a filtering company or anyone else to maintain an accurate database of all the billions of copyrighted works, and all the permissions set by all the rights-holders, and how those permissions apply to all the parties on all the internet connections.

Therefore the only thing this "filtering" could possibly amount to would be running everyone's internet traffic through a device that would look for copyrighted works on a short list - presumably the latest hit movies and music that the Hollywood companies are concerned about "protecting". This would invade privacy and invite abuse; would fail to catch infringement of anything except a tiny set of works owned by a few corporations; would be easily evaded by encryption; and probably would slow down everyone's internet.

So what's the point? Choose one: (a) An irrational manifestation of a control-freak mentality in an industry desperate to keep its prices artificially high; (b) a pretext for setting up an infrastructure for censorship of all internet communications; (c) ???
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: K.I.S.S.

Make it mandatory to obtain a license to encrypt, ISPs can change IP and TCP and claim all OSI layers must be visble for "optimization", and declare it as internet protocol, protocol says you can't encrypt without a X.509 Certificate Issued by US Govt/NSA/Verisign. They already prevented encryption from leaving this country as "weapons", im sure they can re-illegalize it. Just claim terrorists and child porn producers use it to fight America. When is the "secret internet" that runs through stenagraphy going to start?
lordofwhee

join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA

Re: K.I.S.S.

What's to stop people from simply sending encrypted packets masquerading as, say, a ping? Sure, it looks suspicious, but the RIAA hasn't turned the US into a police state, yet.

gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall

join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
·Cruzio Internet


edit:
January 24th, @10:38AM

It's not the ISP's responsibility

I want my ISP to keep me online at the rate I'm paying for, not to be my babysitter.
It's a law enforcement issue, not something a communications company should have to deal with.

It's not up to ATT to decide what I can, or can't see on the internet. And it's definitely not in their customers interest to use filtering as a crutch to artificially prop up their antient copper network.
You don't let the fox guard the chicken coop.

Look out riaa and mpaa, here comes MIT, and I hope the other colleges get in on the lawsuits too. Consequences
--
‘Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts,
Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit,
With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish.’
Solon
cornelius785

join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA

Re: It's not the ISP's responsibility

i agree with that. let the police do their policing. the only thing ISPs should be doing is not turning a blind eye and cooperate with the appropiate authorities (being some police organization, or even the FBI), not the new mafia (riaa and mpaa), as i like to call them.
Kearnstd
Elf Wizard

join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

i agree they shouldnt even comply with DMCA notices that are not issued by a federal or local(as in local to the state of the claimed infringement) court. atleast with a court involved they in theory have to provide some proof.
--
[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
dcurrey

join:2004-06-29

Not RoadRunner

I don't see RR adding this type of filters to prevent illegal copying of movies. With the new billing by the byte the more you steal they more they make.

aboutime

@comcast.net

Filters are good

Then when someone is caught Pirating they can't deny their crimes.

See 18 replies to this post

Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY

Talking out of their Ass

80% whom ever said this must be the person who lit off the bottlepopper rocket stuck in his asshole.

I use bit-torrent, and the only thing I am interested in is English documentary TV, stuff that is not shown in this country at all, The BBC's The Stars and Night, Channel4's Time Team. etc. Music phooey, I have almost 2 TB's I have most everything I want to listen to. I add to it from independent, mostly New Age artists I support and enjoy.

The MPAA, and the RIAA have a long row to hoe. Such downloading as they are flatuatling about fuels the sales of gigantic hard drives, cheaper and ever larger flash drives, Ipod, and other portable MP3 players, faster computers, demands for higher and higher broadband speeds.
etc, etc, and on and on. All of these industries are not going to be happy if anybody does anything that would stifle these sales. I remember somebody asking a Sony executive who worked in the computer division. He was asked what he thought of the fact his computers where being used to rip off the Sony Music division. His answer was; It is not our problem if the Music division can't get their heads out of their asses. Nuff said.
--
Eat pork chops for Allah!

Davebo_

join:2002-11-19
Canada

O rly?

AT&T are an ISP?

I thought they were a branch of the NSA - when did they become an ISP?
jaminus

join:2004-10-14
Arlington, VA

Safe Harbor, Encryption

Under DMCA Safe Harbor provisions, there is no legal reason (yet?) for ISPs to act as copyright police. They simply have to follow DMCA take-down requests and comply with subpoenas.

The prospect of widespread filtering by ISPs might actually be a good thing. Why? It will push more users towards encryption and tunneling. The more obscure network traffic becomes, the more difficult for ISPs to shape and characterize data. Application layers should be obfuscated to mimic SSL/SSH/VPN traffic, so no ISP can distinguish the corporate telecommuter from the copyright infringer, or the law-abiding citizen who values his privacy. Unless AT&T wants to start man-in-the-middle attacks, which is expensive and not difficult to get around, good encryption and mimicry can overcome all known measures of network management at the moment.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Safe Harbor, Encryption

said by jaminus See Profile :

Under DMCA Safe Harbor provisions, there is no legal reason (yet?) for ISPs to act as copyright police. They simply have to follow DMCA take-down requests and comply with subpoenas.

The prospect of widespread filtering by ISPs might actually be a good thing. Why? It will push more users towards encryption and tunneling. The more obscure network traffic becomes, the more difficult for ISPs to shape and characterize data. Application layers should be obfuscated to mimic SSL/SSH/VPN traffic, so no ISP can distinguish the corporate telecommuter from the copyright infringer, or the law-abiding citizen who values his privacy. Unless AT&T wants to start man-in-the-middle attacks, which is expensive and not difficult to get around, good encryption and mimicry can overcome all known measures of network management at the moment.
AT&T can demand the keys, well, if your a telecommuter, they will sign a NDA with you promising not to sell your key on Ebay or to telemarketers, of course there will be an exception for legal inquiries (NSA).
offspring07

join:2008-01-06
Taxis River, NB

Encryption

There is always encryption if the ISPs decide to filter their network.
joker5656

join:2006-06-23
Greenville, SC
·Charter Pipeline

20$ Cd's is not what i call a good price

20$ for a CD, i think not. how bout 14$ for a CD and i give u my money instead. Music/movie industry messed up when they wanted to raise the prices almost 50% in the last decade. Cd's can't be that more expensive then a decade ago. this was to be cheaper and better well you greedy bastards are getting whats coming.

As for the ISPs it shouldn't be there job to do it. if they want to do it then its different. but forcing is not. if the industry wants to stop it from piracy let them do it, theres technology out there that they could use at least for awhile anyway.
mAlfunkti0n

join:2003-12-16
Loveland, OH
·BroadVoice
·RoadRunner Cable

Re: 20$ Cd's is not what i call a good price

said by joker5656 See Profile :

20$ for a CD, i think not. how bout 14$ for a CD and i give u my money instead. Music/movie industry messed up when they wanted to raise the prices almost 50% in the last decade. Cd's can't be that more expensive then a decade ago. this was to be cheaper and better well you greedy bastards are getting whats coming.

As for the ISPs it shouldn't be there job to do it. if they want to do it then its different. but forcing is not. if the industry wants to stop it from piracy let them do it, theres technology out there that they could use at least for awhile anyway.
Not quite sure where you buy your CDs, but $20 is more than I have ever seen.

Best Buy generally has them for $10-14, but that is still too much. Too much considering most artists these days have maybe one or two good songs and the rest is garbage.
wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH

I say that $8 - $10 for a CD, and $4 for an MP3 version would be more in the appropriate price range. Make individual songs $.25, and you are about in the right range. Oh, and give me the opportunity to back them up, and rip to CD / MP3 player.

Now I may actually buy some music. Until then, I'm not buying anything at all. CD prices are way too high, and online prices are even worse. Don't try to sell me a lossy version of the same album, where I have to download it, and put it on media, for the same price as the original disc.

CW
Kearnstd
Elf Wizard

join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

no what really is dumb is store exclusive CDs. such as "so and so's new Album only at bestbuy" guess who someone who wants that music will get it if their area lacks a bestbuy. they can download it. =p
--
[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
deadzoned
Premium
join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA
·Cox HSI

This is big folks!

This will be a major and defining moment for both consumer rights and the direction the Internet as we know it is heading.

I am of the opinion that this is a bad enough decision on the part of at&t to possibly ruin them completely.

-Financially, it's going to be prohibitively expensive, and I don't really know if they realize this completely.

-Legally, they stand to expose themselves to numerous avenues of litigation.

When you couple this with things that have been said and done by at&t over the past couple of years or so... well, it just seems like a recipe for disaster.

Do they really think that everyone just forgot about what Big Ed said? Do they really think that no one remembers that they are currently being sued many times over for their role in the illegal wiretapping scandal and that they are currently doing everything in their power to lobby congress to let them off the hook and give them retroactive immunity for their actions? Their past actions speak volumes about how much they care about the consumer.

Given all that, the real truth of the matter is that what they are contemplating doing, WILL NEVER, EVER, WORK! What they are talking about doing is impossible, it's not even in the ballpark of feasible even. I make a lot of fun of at&t because of what I see as a lot of bad decisions on their part. This Piracy Filter idea they are considering is ludicrous though. If they do this, I think it's a fatal decision on their part.

Markusques

@utoronto.ca

oh

The Euro plan is not going well.

»www.boingboing.net/2008/01/22/pr···d-e.html

whatsmyname_

@telus.net

Censorship

Putting fillers on an ISP would be censorship. If I create something and distribute it via P2P or what ever method, someone will have to determine if it is copyrighted by some one else. That means bigbrother is choosing what someone else receives. I think this is dangerously close to Censorship
Forums » 2008: The Battle For ISP Piracy Filterspage: 1 · 2

Sunday, 06-Jul
21:15:17
Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Hosting by www.nac.net - DSL,Hosting & Co-lo | feedback | contact
8th year online! © 1999-2008 dslreports.com.