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kudos:1 | Not gonna happen Looks like the TV Broadcasters aren't willing to stand in line to drink the iKoolaid! 
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kudos:1 |  Re: Not gonna happen
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Saint Clair Shores, MI | Re: Not gonna happen said by pandora:IIRC Apple is sitting on 100 billion in cash +-. Couldn't they buy a few content providers outright?
Or just establish their own. They seem to be infamious for that. Look what they did to the MP3 player industry. Not that they had aproduct that played music any better, they just passed around the iKoolaid and waited. Why not now?  | |
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kudos:5 | said by spewak:Looks like the TV Broadcasters aren't willing to stand in line to drink the iKoolaid!
Doing a deal with Apple is like selling your soul to the devil.
And this really is the problem:
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content providers, which have largely balked at the tech giant’s efforts to exert control over all aspects of the video service, including pricing, sources said.
The cell carriers got horrible deals from Apple, which takes a huge % of the profits, leaving carriers like Sprint going broke on the deal. Is it any wonder the content providers don't want to deal with them.
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| | | | Re: Not gonna happen and that's the key point. it's not about Cable providers its about Apple being greedy. | |
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| | I still think... Sony will have the best chance at breaking through with this type of thing on their streamers because Sony actually owns/controls a lot of content.
It will just be a matter of if they want to risk PO the providers. | |
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|  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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Cheyenne, WY | Scared to death The TV people are afraid of getting iTuned. These people are so afraid of loosing any control over their content they will loose money before that happens. | |
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| | "Apple wants everything for nothing" Whether we like it or not, content owners want to get paid. Apple wants all the profits. If Apple wants to get into the video business they need to play by the same rules as their competitors... Lot's of lessons learned from iTunes. | |
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| | | Re: "Apple wants everything for nothing" Of course.
People who don't work in the industry ignore this. Producing content is not cheap and it's not easy. | |
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| Re: "Apple wants everything for nothing" really? a dozen different shows of loser idiots singing to win some dubious song contract is hard to produce? getting a bunch of fat losers together and making them cry while they lose weight is not cheap?
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| Re: "Apple wants everything for nothing" said by inteller:really? a dozen different shows of loser idiots singing to win some dubious song contract is hard to produce? getting a bunch of fat losers together and making them cry while they lose weight is not cheap?
But when you pay some the hosts outrageous amounts of money (I'm hearing Tyler gets $50m/yr) yea it does.
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kudos:3 | Re: "Apple wants everything for nothing" Correct... and that's their problem.. they're paying someone way too much money to talk on camera. Like anything on the open market, they could invest into people, train them, groom them, and do it at a whole lot less than they are now..
.. .oh wait, unions.. damn me!
They pay actors and personalities WAY too damn much for what they do. | |
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| |  mech1164I'll Be Back
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Lodi, NJ | said by fifty nine:Of course.
People who don't work in the industry ignore this. Producing content is not cheap and it's not easy.
Suuurrreee 
We are talking about HOLLYWOOD here. The land where to make a film is say 20 mil and it makes 140 mil nationally. Then through the mechanism of creative financing. Not only is it a loss it can be worse then what they took in.
Also what Apple is trying to do runs counter to what the Content creators what from lemming err consumers. PAY PAY PAY again and again. Instead of trying to lower the price and make it easily available they want to restrict it and make it artificially high. Forcing people to look for less legal means for it.
What will be fun is when Apple gets tough and instead of going through the content creators. Uses that 100 bil on getting some laws changed. Heck if the MPAA can get laws written so can Apple.
Any way the fireworks are going to be fun. | |
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| | | | | Re: "Apple wants everything for nothing" said by mech1164:What will be fun is when Apple gets tough and instead of going through the content creators. Uses that 100 bil on getting some laws changed. Heck if the MPAA can get laws written so can Apple.
Any way the fireworks are going to be fun.
What is Apple's leverage here and why should they get any special treatment over other distribution methods? Again, these are uneducated and naive statements around a much more complex industry.
Do I think content providers over charge? Yes. So does my cell phone, cable, gas bill, etc. But I don't see why Apple should get any special privileges to join into this game. It reminds me of Verizon saying they should get special privileges from cities and towns for video.
Apple is a 1/2 TRILLION dollar company! They are the poster child for over priced and proprietary products. No special privileges for Apple. | |
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| | | | | laws are in place to protect the content that is produced and OWNED by the companies that made it. NOT for companies like Apple with their iCrap products to come along and basically rob and bully the people they want products from.
No laws are going to protect Apple from this. And if Apple wants laws passed to get what they want; they better be writing a few checks to China since they decided they were going to steal the iPad brand and now are facing an export/import ban on that. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: "Apple wants everything for nothing" said by 25139889:laws are in place to protect the content that is produced and OWNED by the companies that made it. NOT for companies like Apple with their iCrap products to come along and basically rob and bully the people they want products from.
No laws are going to protect Apple from this. And if Apple wants laws passed to get what they want; they better be writing a few checks to China since they decided they were going to steal the iPad brand and now are facing an export/import ban on that.
Try pulling your personal bias out of your posts - they do you no good. You give apple WAY too much credit and not enough to, well, everyone else. Comcast has the largest OnDemand library because they used their size to bully content providers.. in the end Comcast got what they wanted and the broadcasters benefited from the enhanced exposure. Sometimes you have to drag idiots kicking and streaming into reality.
By the way.. jealous much? iCrap products make more in one hour than you will your entire life. Oh, and nice dig on apple and the China iPad issue.. It wasn't a "brand", Mr. Ill-Informed... it was simply the right to use a "name"... or "term" for something. Get it right. | |
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Tulsa, OK | a possibility I see Apple buying a studio or two and sending all that content straight to iDevices.
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| | | Re: a possibility won't happen. Those studios are owned by someone else that won't give up that $$$ coming in. | |
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | Re: a possibility said by 25139889:won't happen. Those studios are owned by someone else that won't give up that $$$ coming in.
My god would you ever stop? ... you clearly don't know how the corporate world works... at all... DO YOU?!
You'd be best served if you asked more questions and made less absolute statements like you're an authority on subjects where you clearly have no clue.
Corporations can be bought and sold on strategy and positioning alone.. If it was simply all about money then we'd not be in the spot we are in the global financial world that we are today. Strategy and positioning is they key.. not always $$$.
Comcast had plenty of money to buy Mickey Mouse.. in the end they lost out. | |
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| Apple's Innovation Has Much To Offer The best approach I've heard is to turn each TV show into an app and let the consumer decide where to spend their money. Networks hate this because it gives producers a shot at direct distribution.
Either way the consumer benefits and Apple has to compete by offering a better experience through their hardware/software combo. | |
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Santa Monica, CA | Re: Apple's Innovation Has Much To Offer said by saronian:The best approach I've heard is to turn each TV show into an app and let the consumer decide where to spend their money. Networks hate this because it gives producers a shot at direct distribution.
Either way the consumer benefits and Apple has to compete by offering a better experience through their hardware/software combo.
Apple brings no "innovation".
Just brute force, big bucks, market-shaping and pricing power, and legions of loyal sheep willing to pay substantial premiums for i-brands - the sum of which might be enough to lure *some* content owners, but not all.
Innovation would mean fixing the middle-mile and last-mile delivery issues for 2K streams. | |
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| | | | Re: Apple's Innovation Has Much To Offer You wouldn't call iTunes innovative? | |
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Santa Monica, CA | Re: Apple's Innovation Has Much To Offer iTunes was innovative, and only in the regard that Jobs pulled off the deal-of-the-century.
That was a while ago.
As a distribution/sales and licensing engine, iTunes always had issues. | |
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Camden, TN | hollywood hates money? Apple has $100 bil to spend if they choose to spend it Hollywood has to listen. Heck US box office only took in $10 bil gross. Which means maybe $2 bil in profit, but they are going to turn down billions from Apple? Stupid is as stupid does. | |
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kudos:22 | Re: hollywood hates money? That 100 billion belongs to me (as an AAPL shareholder). I don't want Apple to donate my money to Hollywood 
But if Apple wants to use some of that money to buy Disney, and the return on investment for Disney is higher than having 100 billion sitting at the bank, then go for it.
From a regulatory point of view, Apple might have enough cash to buy all of hollywood, but the government wouldn't allow that. Something about monopoly and anti trust laws.
Buying cable companies might be another way to get the job done.
But it is becoming apparent that Apple TV isn't going to happen this year. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: hollywood hates money? Corporations have a responsibility to do what's in the best interest of the corporation and to make the most profit for it's shareholders.
And you're right, APPLE can't ever buy all of Hollywood.. that would never happen.. but you cut an apple into a bunch of smaller pieces and call them all something else, it's amazing what you can do.
The corporate world has been very clever and doing what ever it really wants underneath the noses of everyone, including the government. Just look at the banking industry over the last 100 years to understand that one. | |
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Camden, TN | said by jfmezei:That 100 billion belongs to me (as an AAPL shareholder). I don't want Apple to donate my money to Hollywood So Apple spend says $5 billion a year to acquire content for their subscription service which they charge say $20 a month and they get say 30 million subscribers. That $7.2 billion year on a $5 billion investment. You are against that? | |
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| | | it's not about Hollywood hating money. It's about Apple wanting everything for FREE. | |
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| | One thing not being mentioned... Steve Jobs' widow is now the #1 individual owner of Disney stock. Disney itself is now effectively run by the Pixar guys who were "raised" by Jobs.
Disney owns ABC and ESPN. The ABC suits balking at cutting a deal with Apple could be overruled by Disney at the stroke of a pen. ABC doesn't mean all that much in the big picture, but ESPN is the cornerstone of cable and satellite TV packages (yes, even if you don't watch them). | |
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| | | Re: One thing not being mentioned... Disney-ABC run by Pixar? LOL proof?
and as ar as Jobs' widow being the #1 individual owner- you must not have seen the news where Jobs' was/is being investigated for drug selling,etc? Was a CNN story about 3 weeks ago. Made MSNBC and other news as well- except blogs that LOVE Apple. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: One thing not being mentioned... So? what does Jobs and Drugs have to do with anything here? .. it's clear you hate everything apple.. give it up. | |
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