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Santa Monica, CA | In Other Words They've agreed to pay the real cost for qualified personnel to string the cables. | |
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kudos:2 | There is no way to possibly eat too much BBQ. And unless they were eating at Arthur Bryant's every day, they were eating the wrong BBQ. | |
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| | | | | | Re: In Other Words I assume that's a joke. Processed meat that came out of a cryogenically sealed package is not real BBQ. The definition of BBQ is slooow cooked meat. | |
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kudos:2 | I sure hope that's a joke. I wouldn't eat the shit if it were free. | |
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| said by MIABye:said by thegeek:I sure hope that's a joke. I wouldn't eat the shit if it were free.
 Ok. I guess I've been satisfied with crap this whole time.  I'll forgive you. You are in Nebraska after all. I've lived in that state twice so I can attest to the lack of good BBQ. | |
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kudos:2 | Oklahoma Joe's is third place. Close to second place Jack Stack. Both miles behind Arthur Bryant's. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Finally The Locals Get It Good to see that the local governments got out of the way of progress. | |
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| | | Re: Finally The Locals Get It said by pnh102:Good to see that the local governments got out of the way of progress.
It could be google caved in. I did not read where it said that the city gave in. To me it seems like google caved in.
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kudos:5 | Re: Finally The Locals Get It said by Caddyroger:said by pnh102:Good to see that the local governments got out of the way of progress.
It could be google caved in. I did not read where it said that the city gave in. To me it seems like google caved in. Google agreed to hang their fiber in the telecom segment of utility poles like everyone else and they will pay the attachment fees as well. So, yes, Google gave in to the city.
»www.kansascity.com/2012/02/06/34···net.html
Google had the choice of paying the normal fees for the same access as their potential Internet service competitors, or avoid the fees and take on added construction costs of operating in the electric supply space. Such an installation would have required using more specialized and highly paid linemen for the work, and likely costlier engineering work.
A source familiar with Google’s plans said the search and advertising giant is opting to pay attachment fees and take the more common route of placing their wires in the space used for telecommunication.
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Evanston, IL | why does it have to be about someone caving in? Google is getting what it wants. It wants to hang fiber and that is the bottom line here. | |
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| | | | | Re: Finally The Locals Get It said by FBGuy:why does it have to be about someone caving in? Google is getting what it wants. It wants to hang fiber and that is the bottom line here.
In Kansas City it was required the that telephone and cable lines be I believe 40 in below the power lines. Google wanted to put the lines in that area. They did not want to follows the rule that the phone and cable had to.
So Google probably agreed to the city terms which is caving in.
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| | | | | | Re: Finally The Locals Get It that is an actual safety law for all areas. that's why you see the space on poles around the country. | |
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Santa Monica, CA | said by FBGuy:why does it have to be about someone caving in? Google is getting what it wants. It wants to hang fiber and that is the bottom line here.
Because Google promoted the project as somehow being annointed, and exempted itself from the usual forces of regulation and oversight that make such works complex and slightly more expensive.
There is only so much room on a pole, and it must be implemented in a manner that is safe for all. There are no shortcuts. | |
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Google's trying to prove something that really doesn't need to be proven since they won't have the uptake that they're hoping for, nor will the public be able to utilize those speeds they're claiming they'll be handing out. | |
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| Re: Finally The Locals Get It Yes , sorry to say, but this project will fail. Google has no pay TV service , and with such a limited footprint, they will not be able to create one.
Over in FiOS land, the areas without TV franchises have extremely low penetration. I know the Netflix/ Illegal sharing fanboys will disagree, but facts are facts. TV is what sells service.
So, to offer such a service as a 3rd player without TV is destined to be doomed.
Wait till the people sign up for Gbps service and see virtually no real detectable differences when theyre using it. Looking forward to the posts of speedtest results.
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1 edit | Re: Finally The Locals Get It Some of the experiences among users of the LUS Fiber network in Lafayette, LA would seem to show success for Google Gigabit Service. The intra-network 100Mbps symmetrical service for LUS customers has attracted companies that cherished the ability of sharing very large amounts of data quickly among members at an office or at home. The remote storage and cloud computing service industry is growing in the LUS service area. The thing is, we do not know how exactly Google will market the service. They could act as a wholesalers to companies that can do a triple play offering as retailers.
EDIT: I put in wrong city for LUS Fiber. Cut and paste can be bad, if you are sleepy. That is a warning to all you youngsters. Do NOT post when you are tired. You might end up typing in the wrong state and waste other posters time. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Finally The Locals Get It LUS is in Louisiana no?
I lived a stones throw away from the deployment. | |
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| | | | | | | Google has already said they would be the ones in charge of the network, it would not be wholesale.
as far as bringing in any new companies; i don't see that happening, that area already has some of the largest companies in the country. Overland Park, KS is a stones throw away from KC and already is home to Sprint-Nextel, Old Navy-Gap, etc. And is in the top 10 richest counties in the country. They are doing fine with TWC and AT&T.
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And, if Google will come and deploy fiber here, I'll personally take at least five of their engineers out to Dreamland for some ribs that will make them forget about that junk they ate in KC. | |
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| | | Re: Come to Tuscaloosa...PLEASE! the student count doesn't matter. If you want to talk in terms of research then Google should have selected the Greater Cleveland area, 3 well known hospitals, 1 of them is the County's Leader in Children's Medical, the other is the world's leader in transplants- Cleveland Clinic- and is actually world known and has several hospitals/campuses around the Country and expanding world wide. and Mercedes-Benz is a moot point. Cleveland has Progressive, Sherwin-Williams, Medical Mutual of Ohio, the Cleveland Cavs, Cleveland Indians and much more as far as major employers and massive companies.
but that's something that shouldn't apply to where Google decides to deploy a network that it will later kill in a couple years after they're done data mining everyone to death. | |
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|  FronkmanAn Apple a day keeps the doctor awayPremium
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Saint Louis, MO | said by ISurfTooMuch:I wish Google would come down to Tuscaloosa....
they should have come to the other side of missouri, our BBQ is better over here anyway.
st. louis has two major universities and dozens of smaller ones. we have budweiser, edward jones, scott trade, purina, a major boeing presence, expressscripts, emerson electric, wells fargo, monsanto, enterprise rentals and a federal reserve bank. washington university has a massive hospital system which employs tens of thousands of people and is the size of 12 city blocks (and growing).
sorry NWohio but rainbow babies is not the nation's leader in pediatric care, CHOP and Children's of Boston are the winners there. if you want a run down see:
»health.usnews.com/health-news/be···nor-roll
1. Children's Boston
1. CHOP
3. Cincinnati Children's
4. Texas Children's
5. Denver Children's
5. Hopkins
7. Seattle Children's
8. Children's of LA
8. UMPC
8. NY Presbyterian
8. St. Louis Childrens
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kudos:1 | Re: Come to Tuscaloosa...PLEASE! said by Fronkman:said by ISurfTooMuch:I wish Google would come down to Tuscaloosa....
they should have come to the other side of missouri, our BBQ is better over here anyway. st. louis has two major universities and dozens of smaller ones. we have budweiser, edward jones, scott trade, purina, a major boeing presence, expressscripts, emerson electric, wells fargo, monsanto, enterprise rentals and a federal reserve bank. washington university has a massive hospital system which employs tens of thousands of people and is the size of 12 city blocks (and growing). sorry NWohio but rainbow babies is not the nation's leader in pediatric care, CHOP and Children's of Boston are the winners there. if you want a run down see: » health.usnews.com/health-news/be···nor-roll1. Children's Boston 1. CHOP 3. Cincinnati Children's 4. Texas Children's 5. Denver Children's 5. Hopkins 7. Seattle Children's 8. Children's of LA 8. UMPC 8. NY Presbyterian 8. St. Louis Childrens The only good thing about Missouri is the sign that says "Thanks for visiting" as I'm speeding past as fast as I can.
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Palo Alto, CA | "we've eaten way too much barbecue..." "...starting today, we’re ready to lay eat more fiber"
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2 edits | Hang? What is this the 1930s? Wouldn't it better to future proof it by burying it? I mean this is part of tornado alley? These guys just love to spend money.  | |
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| | | Re: Hang? What is this the 1930s? KC is not in tornado alley, that's 100 miles away in Central KS. Last major tornado that hit was in the 1950s. Last before that was 1880s. | |
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| | | You have less to worry about Tornadoes, and more to worry about ice storms. And by them going above ground they are going to be saving money. | |
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kudos:2 | said by georgeglass5:Wouldn't it better to future proof it by burying it? Going aerial is usually well under half the cost of burying cable, especially in a city. Over the life of the fiber, chances are it would be cheaper to bury it once you factor in trees falling, poles having to be replaced, ice storms, etc. But they are trying to get the network up and running in the cheapest way possible, which means keeping it above ground. | |
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| no silver bullet for market dysfunction google can lay fiber but that doesn't mean the incumbents who google overlay as a 2nd or 3rd provider are going to compete and offer faster speeds at lower prices!
now that Verizon's gotten complacent and LAZY with attention to FIOS just adding new price increases.. that puts their competitiors in a good position to offer better service and win back customers (but will they?) Verzion in part has gotten enamoured by the shift in consumer apathy to paying higher prices for wireless service including gouged prices for usage based billing in data (following AT&T's attempted spectrum grab from Tmobile).
google will not solve market dysfunction with mirco builds in isolated markets. what needs to happen is putting more builds in places where incumbents enjoy high prices and no fear of competition such as a CenturyTel and/or non-upgraded parts of Comcast land. it would be nice if google offered speeds faster than 1gbits as well if at all practical-- why stop at 1gbits? the only reason I can see is that 10 - 100 gig-ethernet or FDDI cards cost some serious money.. $150+ routers are just about non-existent in the residential consumer market. | |
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| | | Re: no silver bullet for market dysfunction said by tmc8080: the only reason I can see is that 10 - 100 gig-ethernet or FDDI cards cost some serious money.. $150+ routers are just about non-existent in the residential consumer market.
FDDI is limited to 100 megabits/second. 200 if not protected.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_Dist···nterface
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