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Evanston, IL | Re: Bullshit What do you propose? The only thing I can think of is to not subscribe to these services. | |
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| | | | Re: Bullshit That is what I have done. I will use free wifi spots for my internet needs on the road. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Bullshit said by BosstonesOwn:AT&T won't let that happen if you own a data phone, they will automatically add the lowest data plan.
I might be out of date, but wasn't it you needed to add at least the first month then you could drop it? | |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by dr3yec:That is what I have done. I will use free wifi spots for my internet needs on the road. Which is exactly why they raised the price on the lowest plan. They figure most people will just spend $10 more a month and get the next higher plan.
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Go prepaid on t-mobile. No data plan required. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Bullshit said by fifty nine:Go prepaid on t-mobile. No data plan required.
I would not recommended T-Mobile's prepaid service. Their billing and system is inconsistent (30 days vs. 1 month) and their technical support is terrible. I actually just switched to AT&T because of that.
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kudos:7 | Re: Bullshit said by bbrkdub:I would not recommended T-Mobile's prepaid service. Their billing and system is inconsistent (30 days vs. 1 month) and their technical support is terrible. I actually just switched to AT&T because of that. You switched because of a day? And who seriously uses technical support? Granted it's a regular account, but I've been with T-Mobile since it was VoiceStream over a decade ago and I think I have ever talked to their customer support. | |
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kudos:3 | said by bbrkdub:said by fifty nine:Go prepaid on t-mobile. No data plan required.
I would not recommended T-Mobile's prepaid service. Their billing and system is inconsistent (30 days vs. 1 month) and their technical support is terrible. I actually just switched to AT&T because of that. Prepaid is based on days, not "months"... So you state that it's 30 days, not a month, then are you equally as upset in February? and what about months like May and July? If you go prepaid, it's by the day, if you're post paid it's by the month. | |
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No, I switched because I put up with their issues for 6 months, and they still didn't correct it. The people in their (pre-paid) billing system couldn't properly explain it, and neither did their website. BTW, I was with T-Mobile for 9 years before all of this happened--not that it matters to the pre-paid side of the house. Anyway, I told them in December if my phone gets automatically cut off *again* in January, then I'm leaving. As expected, my service was disconnected and I followed through on my part.
said by fiberguy:Prepaid is based on days, not "months"... So you state that it's 30 days, not a month, then are you equally as upset in February? and what about months like May and July? If you go prepaid, it's by the day, if you're post paid it's by the month.
Again, this was not clearly explained by the people in their billing system or their website. In fact, their website did automatic refills on a monthly basis--30 days wasn't an option. It took numerous phone calls to 1) eventually figure out what's happening and 2) to get it corrected within the billing system...only to have it happen again the next month. In fact, the issue would still occur with months that had 30 days (e.g. June, September, November).
Look, all I'm saying is...T-Mobile post-paid is fine, but T-Mobile pre-paid caused me to rejoin the dark side.
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Camden, TN | said by fifty nine:Go prepaid on t-mobile. No data plan required. That would be great if not for the fact they don't bother to provide even the most basic service anywhere within 40 miles of me. So fuck a bunch of t-mobile. | |
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Dallas, TX | said by ATTSucks :Total price fixing. We need to do something about this!
please explain how this is price fixing | |
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Tuckahoe, NY | Re: Bullshit said by 93388818:said by ATTSucks :Total price fixing. We need to do something about this!
please explain how this is price fixing They, along with a few other providers, are charging, via collusion, more than the service is worth ... aka price fixing. | |
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Dallas, TX | Re: Bullshit said by JohnILM:said by 93388818:said by ATTSucks :Total price fixing. We need to do something about this!
please explain how this is price fixing They, along with a few other providers, are charging, via collusion, more than the service is worth ... aka price fixing. can you explain how the service is now priced more than it is worth?
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Since you're playing dumb, as in "if there were more competition the prices would be significantly lower and caps higher". Or "if there were more competition innovative pricing plans would exist." | |
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Dallas, TX | Re: Bullshit The $/MB on the plans is now lower than before. So again, with prices being lower per megabyte, explain how this is price fixing. | |
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Tuckahoe, NY | Re: Bullshit said by 93388818:The $/MB on the plans is now lower than before. So again, with prices being lower per megabyte, explain how this is price fixing.
I'll make it extra simple for you.
AT&T charges $20 for 300MB of data. Transferring that much data costs AT&T approximately 2.4¢ (yes that's less than 3 cents). They've marked up the price over 800%. The other companies do the same (whether they tell you they are working together or not) to make sure they all get hefty profits. = price fixing.
AT&T made 3.4 BILLION last year. They are not operating at anywhere near a loss. Their profits (not revenue mind you) are so high because they are charging an extreme amount for something that doesn't cost them much... and then have the nerve to charge for overages.
And just so you know, I am not (nor ever have been) an AT&T customer. They don't affect me (directly), so I have no personal vendetta against them. Just telling it like it is.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Bullshit AT&T made far more than $3.4 billion USD last year. | |
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Also your math is wrong. The markup from 3 cents to 20 dollars is a factor of 666 or 66,600 percent. Not 800 percent.
Where did you get that 2.4 cents for 300 MB figure, anyway? | |
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Tuckahoe, NY | Re: Bullshit Highest estimates of cost of transferring a GB of data puts it at less than 10¢ ... the 2.4 cents is an approximation based on that. The transfer of data is extremely cheap. Sure setting up the infrastructure costs money, but AT&T has recouped that money many times over. Yet they don't update the infrastructure and blame "data hogs" for congestion.
About the 3.4 billion, that was the income for only ONE QUARTER, my mistake. So they are making even more money.
And yes, I took the factor instead of the percent, I did base it on 2.4¢ not 3¢ though. So it would be an 83,333% markup. | |
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Dallas, TX | Re: Bullshit said by JohnILM:Highest estimates of cost of transferring a GB of data puts it at less than 10¢ ... the 2.4 cents is an approximation based on that. The transfer of data is extremely cheap. Sure setting up the infrastructure costs money, but AT&T has recouped that money many times over. Yet they don't update the infrastructure and blame "data hogs" for congestion.
About the 3.4 billion, that was the income for only ONE QUARTER, my mistake. So they are making even more money.
And yes, I took the factor instead of the percent, I did base it on 2.4¢ not 3¢ though. So it would be an 83,333% markup.
1. AT&T spent $20 billion last year, in mobility infrastructure builds and updates alone. I'm sure Verizon is also similarly spending large amounts on builds.
2. You're also forgetting the costs to actually operate the network. This stuff isn't just "set it and forget it" you know. There is a huge cost associated with operating and maintaining a network.
You aren't telling it like it is, you're telling what you think it is.
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Tuckahoe, NY | Re: Bullshit said by 93388818:said by JohnILM:Highest estimates of cost of transferring a GB of data puts it at less than 10¢ ... the 2.4 cents is an approximation based on that. The transfer of data is extremely cheap. Sure setting up the infrastructure costs money, but AT&T has recouped that money many times over. Yet they don't update the infrastructure and blame "data hogs" for congestion.
About the 3.4 billion, that was the income for only ONE QUARTER, my mistake. So they are making even more money.
And yes, I took the factor instead of the percent, I did base it on 2.4¢ not 3¢ though. So it would be an 83,333% markup.
1. AT&T spent $20 billion last year, in mobility infrastructure builds and updates alone. I'm sure Verizon is also similarly spending large amounts on builds. 2. You're also forgetting the costs to actually operate the network. This stuff isn't just "set it and forget it" you know. There is a huge cost associated with operating and maintaining a network. You aren't telling it like it is, you're telling what you think it is. Nice try AT&T shareholder.
Explain to me then how what they are charging for data usage is fair. You can't because they don't. They are overcharging.
Take into account all the money they spend and they are still making gross profits. Not against capitalism, but it's obvious there is collusion involved that keeps data rates higher than they should be.
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| Re: Bullshit They are overcharging by what metric? Your opinion? Based on what logic?
I've already crushed your "it only costs them x cents per megabyte" by pointing out that marginal cost does not equal total cost, by a bunch. So your basic argument is wrong. Come up with another metric and maybe we can have a discussion. | |
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Tuckahoe, NY | Re: Bullshit said by MyDogHsFleas:They are overcharging by what metric? Your opinion? Based on what logic?
I've already crushed your "it only costs them x cents per megabyte" by pointing out that marginal cost does not equal total cost, by a bunch. So your basic argument is wrong. Come up with another metric and maybe we can have a discussion.
Crushed? Really? Laughable. You've told me nothing but your words. Produce some data and then you might have an argument. Again show me how $20 per 300MB isn't a gross markup. Show me some numbers that justify charging this amount. Next thing you'll be telling me that $15 for 200 text messages is a good deal. | |
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| Re: Bullshit No, you came with metric A, I refuted it, you said "prove it", I said "by what metric since your original metric is not applicable", your turn. I'm not going to do your work for you.
Also their price point is not $20 per 300MB. It's $10 per GB.
OK I can't stand it. Here's a starting point for research:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pricing_strategies | |
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Tuckahoe, NY | Re: Bullshit said by MyDogHsFleas:No, you came with metric A, I refuted it, you said "prove it", I said "by what metric since your original metric is not applicable", your turn. I'm not going to do your work for you.
Also their price point is not $20 per 300MB. It's $10 per GB.
OK I can't stand it. Here's a starting point for research:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pricing_strategies
Your link means absolutely nothing.
Here's a link:
»blogs.howstuffworks.com/2011/04/···cenario/
States the price of bandwidth.
Regardless of anything, you still haven't presented any argument or 'metric' that proves that $20 for 300MB is anywhere a reasonable deal. Also, when we're talking about their $20 per 300MB plan, that's the price point, not $10 per GB.
So lets get simple. Answer this ONE QUESTION.
How is $20 for 300MB a fair price??? --- this guy, just answer this. | |
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Dallas, TX | Re: Bullshit Go look up 3G data networks and get back with us. This isn't just simple wired networking here. It's obvious based on your assertion that you have no idea what it takes to create, implement, and maintain a carrier class wireless network. | |
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Tuckahoe, NY | Re: Bullshit said by 93388818:Go look up 3G data networks and get back with us. This isn't just simple wired networking here. It's obvious based on your assertion that you have no idea what it takes to create, implement, and maintain a carrier class wireless network.
Learn me then, sir.
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Dallas, TX | Re: Bullshit said by JohnILM:said by 93388818:...It's obvious based on your assertion that you have no idea what it takes to create, implement, and maintain a carrier class wireless network.
Learn me then, sir. $20 per 300MB is a good deal? I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you how a wireless data network differs from a point to point fiber connection like in your link. If you can't recognize there's a difference and how disingenuous that article is, then it's pointless to continue.
For someone who is a light data network user, 300MB can be more than enough. For example, if my dad upgraded to a smart phone so he could do MMS photos between me and my sister, 300MB would be more than sufficient for his needs. Is $20 a value for him? Depends on his finances. It's cheaper than driving or flying 1200 miles to see me.
For people that don't want to pay it, they simply won't. If enough people change their purchasing, then maybe AT&T will react to the market pressures and adjust their pricing structure again.
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Tuckahoe, NY | Re: Bullshit said by 93388818:said by JohnILM:said by 93388818:...It's obvious based on your assertion that you have no idea what it takes to create, implement, and maintain a carrier class wireless network.
Learn me then, sir. $20 per 300MB is a good deal? I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you how a wireless data network differs from a point to point fiber connection like in your link. If you can't recognize there's a difference and how disingenuous that article is, then it's pointless to continue. For someone who is a light data network user, 300MB can be more than enough. For example, if my dad upgraded to a smart phone so he could do MMS photos between me and my sister, 300MB would be more than sufficient for his needs. Is $20 a value for him? Depends on his finances. It's cheaper than driving or flying 1200 miles to see me. For people that don't want to pay it, they simply won't. If enough people change their purchasing, then maybe AT&T will react to the market pressures and adjust their pricing structure again. I've completely seen your point. Yes, there is a difference between wireless data and traditional internet data. Is the gap so big that $20 for 300MB is justified? No it's not and you haven't shown one thing to prove it otherwise.
The question is not is $20 a value for your dad, the question is is $20 for 300MB a value AT ALL.
And you're so smart, I wouldn't want to waste too much of your time, but find me one credible link where they give an honest estimate of how much it costs cell phone providers to provide 1GB of data transfer. ONE!
Way to skirt the argument. I'm asking you to show me how 300MB for $20 is not overpriced. You haven't.
Just saying, "but they spend money on infrastructure" is not good enough. Just saying, "you don't understand the cost of wireless data" is not good enough. Wishing that you making a valid argument is not good enough. | |
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Dallas, TX | Re: Bullshit Can you please define "value" for me. I don't think it means what you think it means. | |
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Tuckahoe, NY | said by 93388818:Can you please define "value" for me. I don't think it means what you think it means.
You're just trying to be difficult. Fine.
Do you know how printer ink, movie snacks, the cost of text messaging is overpriced??? Can you please show me how $20 for 300MB is not overpriced?
Why is this question so hard for you to understand?? | |
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Oh for christ's sake: »fastnetnews.com/a-wireless-cloud···v-profit | |
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Oh, OK. So the WikiPedia entry on Pricing Strategies 101 means absolutely nothing when we are talking about pricing strategies.
Not sure what to do if you refuse information as the basis for discussion. I think this is pointless. I asked you to come up with a metric. You refused. I even showed you where to start. You claim it's meaningless. Well, now what?
We are in a loop. I repeat: the marginal cost of the infrastructure to offer a service does not equal the cost of providing that service. Much less the price at which it will be offered. You are in a state of not understanding anything about marginal cost, total cost, or price, even at a definitional level, much less a business level understanding. I don't know how I can say this much more plainly. I ask you to learn so we can have an actual discussion and maybe you can educate yourself.
Regardless of anything, you still haven't presented any argument or 'metric' that proves that $20 for 300MB is anywhere a reasonable deal. Also, when we're talking about their $20 per 300MB plan, that's the price point, not $10 per GB.
So lets get simple. Answer this ONE QUESTION.
How is $20 for 300MB a fair price???
(a) It's not $20 for 300MB. Their price point is $10/GB. The 300MB plan is just an entry level tier for low usage customers who don't want to pay $30/month. It makes no sense to analyze it on a cost per byte basis.
edited to add: rereading this it strikes me you don't know what the term "price point" means. Please see here: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_point
(b) Just saying something is "not fair" is not a statement that can be supported or refuted by business logic. Who decides what is "fair"? Is free fair? Half the current price? A 10% discount? How can you tell when it's "fair", when people like you stop complaining? When the company goes out of business? What?
(c) I am not going to construct a business argument for you. I simply point out that yours is completely bogus. | |
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That oughto shake things up a bit. As for now, tmobile prepaid is the way to go. 50$ unlimted talk, text& data on 4G hspa.+ Better than 100$ limited 3g.I had with at&t. Glad I dropped those bums. | |
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kudos:1 | What kind of phone do you have? How much did you pay for it? What carrier are you with?
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Tuckahoe, NY | Re: Bullshit said by Mizzat:What kind of phone do you have? How much did you pay for it? What carrier are you with?
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Since you're playing dumb, as in "if there were more competition the prices would be significantly lower and caps higher". Or "if there were more competition innovative pricing plans would exist." Price fixing only works if there is collusion between competitors to fix their prices together. This doesn't seem to be occurring. I don't like the rate increase because I don't think the data plans should be all that expensive because it really costs next to nothing after the NRE's are paid for to manage and move data aka sms. Price fixing requires collusion. You are simply arguing that the cost of the service doesn't warrant a cost increase. It is what people are willing to pay that is its worth. Nothing more. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Bullshit said by Methadras:said by sonicmerlin:said by 93388818:can you explain how the service is now priced more than it is worth?
Since you're playing dumb, as in "if there were more competition the prices would be significantly lower and caps higher". Or "if there were more competition innovative pricing plans would exist." Price fixing only works if there is collusion between competitors to fix their prices together. This doesn't seem to be occurring. I don't like the rate increase because I don't think the data plans should be all that expensive because it really costs next to nothing after the NRE's are paid for to manage and move data aka sms. Price fixing requires collusion. You are simply arguing that the cost of the service doesn't warrant a cost increase. It is what people are willing to pay that is its worth. Nothing more. Is this a joke? Prices between major competitors are almost exactly the same. Sprint, AT&T, Verizon all hover around $70/month, with Sprint selling "unlimited 4G" for $80/month. They all charge 20cents per text message, both incoming and outgoing.
Tacit collusion is incredibly easy to achieve when there are so few competitors.
Do you honestly expect anyone to believe your drivel about "paying what it's worth"? AT&T's attempted takeover of T-Mobile was rejected on the grounds that it would concentrate the market and lead to higher prices.
Right now AT&T and Verizon and fighting tooth and nail to prevent the FCC from auctioning off 300 MHz of spectrum to new entrants into the market. They want the FCC to force a buildout time limit on Dish's spectrum. They're lobbying Congress to pass draconian spectrum rules on the backs of *payroll tax legislation*.
Look, I know you're a shill. You might even work directly for AT&T. But the people on this site are smarter than that. You should try harder. | |
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| | | | said by Telco:Just another fine example of RWer / Libertarian self-regulation in action. And to think, fools actually buy this crap and vote these tools into office.
You don't like paying for something. We get it, so stop making excuses for it by blaming others for your way of life and your way of thinking. This isn't an ideological argument. If you want to make it one, I'll gladly oblige you by destroying whatever petty little thinking you have on the subject. | |
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Tuckahoe, NY | And I'm going to stop using someone else's claim of price fixing.
This is price gouging. | |
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(I would not be surprised...spoiled little twATTs)
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| Can I use this as a reason to break my contract? I am a current ATT customer with both an iPhone 4 and a Blackberry and both phones have the $25 data plan, I am not happy about forking over an extra $5 per line just cuz they felt like raising the fees.
Does this constitute a good reason to cancel my contract because I am really ready to cancel and get outta ATT.
Only 1 of my lines with them has a contract.
I am already paying $150 a month now its going to be $160, OH HELL NO!
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kudos:5 | Re: Can I use this as a reason to break my contract? said by MEDIAN2k3:I am a current ATT customer with both an iPhone 4 and a Blackberry and both phones have the $25 data plan, I am not happy about forking over an extra $5 per line just cuz they felt like raising the
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kudos:1 | None of these work for me... Ridiculous. Despite the fact that these plans are incredibly overpriced, I get shoe-horned into the $30 plan. 300 MB isn't enough, but I don't get close to the 2 gigs I am alotted now let alone 3. I'm seriously considering going prepaid, but will have to wait until my contract is up in November. I have heart palpatations every time I see my family plan bill as it is. | |
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| Doesn't really bother me.. My phone is grandfathered into the unlimited data plan, so no big deal there. Now my iPad on the other hand, I pay for the 2GB plan currently.
$5 for another gig of data a month will actually work out well for me, I'm a prolific mobile user. I realize others may not be in the same boat, but for once, AT&T did something beneficial. | |
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| Re: Doesn't really bother me.. said by state:My phone is grandfathered into the unlimited data plan, so no big deal there.
Unlimited phones (mine is too) are basically still limited because of the severe throttling that occurs if you exceed the "cap". Speeds are dropped down to about 60 Kbps for the rest of the month.
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| But now this begs the question.. AT&T spokesman Mark Siegel estimates that data usage is increasing 40 percent every year, spurring the company to offer more upfront. Consumers are rapidly migrating to video and music.
And in turn, shouldn't the "throttling" also see a linear increase as usage and plans increase? | |
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| FBGuyPremium
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Evanston, IL | Re: But now this begs the question.. of course not. /sarcasm | |
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kudos:1 | Not a bad deal if you have a company discount If you get a company discount, then this might end up costing you about the same for more data. Most employee paid discounts only discount plans $30 or more, so the old $25 plan wouldn't get a discount, however if your company has an AT&T discount that give you 15% off (fairly typical) then you'd end up paying 50 cents more for that extra gig...not bad!
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 Steve BPremium
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Seattle, WA | We Told You So... I'm not surprised here. I hope everyone else sees what is happening. When tiered data was "being talked about", myself and countless others (including Karl B) who knew what would really be happening said that what AT&T and alike are trying to do is to get you to pay the same price as you did with unlimited plans but, you get less. The pure ripoff plan of 300MB for $20 where you got an additional 50MB for $5 is obviously to get people off that plan and onto the $30 for 3GB plan. Wait...see it? The unlimited plans were $30 also. Again, you see it? Lol. You are now paying the same price for 3GB as you did with unlimited. The carriers want $30 to be the new minimum again but want to give you less in return. This also proves that the $30 unlimited model was more then sufficient for them and that the tiered data plans were nothing more then a greedy cash grab.
Let's not even forget how AT&T's data network comes to a crawl in spots...if it works at all. | |
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|  Woody79_00I run Linux am I still a PC?Premium
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united state | Re: We Told You So... I knew this was coming as well..its nothing more then another revenvue stream for them.
Thank god i only got 3 months left on my Verizon Contract....and I am done FOREVER!
I will NEVER sign another cell phone contract as long as i live...These companies are nothing but a bunch of crooks who want to nickel and dime people to death with smartphones(that in reality are nothing but useless gadgets created to waste your time and make them money)
Anyone who says they can't live without a smartphone is full of it! As long as you have a basic prepaid phone that your employer can call you if your not home...critical business function accomplished!
The average 2 smartphone plan with Data is around 140-155 bucks a month...give or take depending on your market.
now if you started at 20 years old and instead saved that 140-155 bucks per month you waste on cell phones and put it in the bank as an RIA...by the time your 55 you could retire very comfortably ...and by 65 retire on a gravy train....
Folks just MUST have these useless cellphones, but then they complain they have no retirement, can't afford healthcare, and this and that...if you saved that money you are uselessly peeing down the drain on cell phones and actually INVESTED that money into a HSA, RIA, whatever...you would actually have money to go to the DR, retire, etc...its amazing if you would actually sit down and realize how much of your finanaces most people waste
want to know how rich people got rich? they got rich saving EVERY dime they could at a young age and invested the money and actually put good money to pratical uses...
if you saved your cell phone bill per month for even 3-4 years...you could probably start your own business and work for yourself instead of someone else.
wake up people...I already have...I sat down a year ago and actually read that contract, had a lawyer explain it to me, and actually figured out how much money i could save...its was mind boggling...thank god im still young..i can correct the mistake and pad back the cash...
these cell phones companies will never get another contract out of me...im getting a basic prepaid folks can call me on...text maybe....outside of that..thats it...if they do away with prepaid...i can do without a cellphone...its not a big deal...people lived for thousands of years without them...life goes on... | |
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| |  FronkmanAn Apple a day keeps the doctor awayPremium
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: We Told You So... said by Woody79_00:I knew this was coming as well..its nothing more then another revenvue stream for them.
I will NEVER sign another cell phone contract as long as i live...These companies are nothing but a bunch of crooks who want to nickel and dime people to death with smartphones(that in reality are nothing but useless gadgets created to waste your time and make them money)
The average 2 smartphone plan with Data is around 140-155 bucks a month...give or take depending on your market.
now if you started at 20 years old and instead saved that 140-155 bucks per month you waste on cell phones and put it in the bank as an RIA...by the time your 55 you could retire very comfortably ...and by 65 retire on a gravy train....
really? that extra $150 a month adds up to a "gravy train?"
that is only $36,000. how do you get to retire 10 years early on just $36,000? say we follow your advice and invested that in a 401(k). the average 401(k) lost 27% of the value in 2008 so now we only have $26,000.
i certainly am not defending att here. personally i think these companies deserve some congressional investigation, but i just can't let such a crazy statement get by without a challenge.
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| | verizon plans... 2GB-$30
5GB-$50
10/GB overages
Is this what "robust competition" is supposed to look like?
Maybe in 10 years we will have 6GB plans for $45.
Meanwhile wasn't it just reported here that the global average of 4g was something like 22GB? | |
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|  Jon GebWal-Mart Sucks
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Howell, MI | Re: verizon plans... Until Sprint, Verizon & AT&T are offering similar services there won't be much of a Price War.
Sprint is a disaster=cheapest
Verizon is fastest/best coverage=Most expensive
AT&T has HSDPA+/Good coverage=Middle
When Sprint, AT&T and Verizon have similar products... I expect to see a price war. | |
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| Re: verizon plans... said by Jon Geb:Until Sprint, Verizon & AT&T are offering similar services there won't be much of a Price War.
Sprint is a disaster=cheapest
Verizon is fastest/best coverage=Most expensive
AT&T has HSDPA+/Good coverage=Middle
When Sprint, AT&T and Verizon have similar products... I expect to see a price war.
If you are one of those who live in a large metropolitan area, like downstate ny, Chicago, la, DFW, or Detroit then all 4 are good and u have access to smaller such as cricket. And in some areas, tmobile does not have 100% ownership in spectrum (such as majority of Iowa and western Illinois), then to use them u need to use their resellers but you won't have access to the same devices and plans as tmobile and overall rural carriers offer worse deals. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Grandfathered unlimited On my iPad and iPhone.
I'm good. | |
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| | MajestikWorld TravelerPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Grandfathered unlimited I said I'm good. Don't know about anyone else.
I use about 4-6g/month on my Iphone and around 10g on my Ipad.
It was explained to me that I live and work in a non congested area.
Streaming Stargate SG1 on Netflix atm and talk radio with no problems.
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| | Switched to Red Pocket Mobile (ATT MVNO) I just switched to Red Pocket. Unlimited Minutes, Text, MMS, and 2 GB of HSPA+ for $59.99 a month. I am so done with post paid plans. And this uses the same ATT network ha ha. | |
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| | | Re: Switched to Red Pocket Mobile (ATT MVNO) Looks like a good deal, if I didn't have grandfathered unlimited I might take a stab at that. | |
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| | Well then Virgin Mobile is sounding better and better every day. | |
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| could your editorializing be any less inflammatory? Jesus, I don't like the business practices of the wireless industry anymore than the next guy but really?
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Now the company is informing users that they're raising these caps ever so slightly -- but they're also raising the price of wireless data. The cap on their lowest tier is being bumped from 200 MB to 300 MB, but the cost of the plan will now be $20. AT&T's $25 plan will now be $30, with the usage cap raised from 2GB to 3 GB.
"Ever so slightly"? They increased the caps by 50% while increasing the price 20%. I don't know about you but I don't qualify a 50% increase as "ever so slightly". Would it kill you to tone down the rhetoric a little bit? | |
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| 93388818It's cool, I'm takin it backPremium
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Dallas, TX | Re: could your editorializing be any less inflammatory? yeah, he can't - or won't | |
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| | | said by Crookshanks:Jesus, I don't like the business practices of the wireless industry anymore than the next guy but really?
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Now the company is informing users that they're raising these caps ever so slightly -- but they're also raising the price of wireless data. The cap on their lowest tier is being bumped from 200 MB to 300 MB, but the cost of the plan will now be $20. AT&T's $25 plan will now be $30, with the usage cap raised from 2GB to 3 GB.
"Ever so slightly"? They increased the caps by 50% while increasing the price 20%. I don't know about you but I don't qualify a 50% increase as "ever so slightly". Would it kill you to tone down the rhetoric a little bit?
I have to agree with you here. The cost per MB went down with the new plans. | |
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Dallas, PA | Verizon.....?? AT&T: $30 for 3GB.
Verizon: $30 for 2GB.
For some reason this means we should
complain about AT&T. | |
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| | | | Really? I'm using my 4G phone on the 3G network mostly because of battery.
On 3G I average about 3-4 days
On 4G I average about 18 hours. | |
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| | | | | Your probably have phone on standby and only talk. Because I use 3G iPhone and notice than 1-2 hour web browsing on average per day, gets my battery to 20% by end of day from full charged in the morning. | |
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| | When? When does this go into effect? My mom is thinking about getting a smart phone, she has a simple messaging phone and want to upgrade her so she can be grandfathered in at the old rates. | |
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| | It's not just iPhones Also, why do these articles always refer to "iPhone pricing" or what AT&T has done to "iPhone customers"? AT&T, much like their competitors, do not charge different amounts or offer different plans based on which type of smartphone you use. These new plans are the same for Android, Windows Phone, BlackBerry, etc...
Also, why is everyone freaking out and acting like they're going to increase the pricing for existing customers? It even says right in AT&T's press release that existing users can keep their current plans... | |
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| | | Re: It's not just iPhones greedy bastards. | |
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| 93388818It's cool, I'm takin it backPremium
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1 edit | K: "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. " | |
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| | A lot of transparent hating, going on, in here. People who are bitching about this, are really transparent.
For one, if you're already under contract, you are grandfathered for as long as you want. I have family members, who are on plans that were discontinued over a decade, ago. So, you're just complaining to complain.
And if you're not a customer, then you have no grounds to complain, period.
Finally, just analyzing these new plans, at face value, AT&T is charging LESS per gigabyte.
I'd love for someone to present a legitimate argument, for why this is anything worse than being rather inconsequential. The constant hyperbolic hatemongering on this site is becoming quite tiresome. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Do folks need 3GB? I have the tethering plan with 4GB. Even with tethering, I rarely use 3GB. In other words, I don't need an extra GB. I'd rather save the $5.
This sounds like a rate hike with 1GB of lubrication. It's interesting that an extra GB costs $10 when you go over but now it's only worth $5.
My guess is 1GB of data probably costs them about a penny. What a margin. | |
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