 | | The Fascist Empire of the 21st Century ...This is what happens when you let a gigantic corporate state have too much control over the Internet.
I look forward to seeing the amount of control the U.S. has over the Internet decrease because of these antics. | |
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I look forward to seeing the amount of control the U.S. has over the Internet decrease because of these antics.
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The Rock | Re: The Fascist Empire of the 21st Century Yep, we should let China run it!!!!! | |
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|  spewakR.I.P DadkinsPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: The Fascist Empire of the 21st Century Amen to that. | |
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| said by 45612019:...This is what happens when you let a gigantic corporate state have too much control over the Internet.
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it's also what happens when you have an arrogant country whose government is controlled by corporations. | |
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| | | | Re: The Fascist Empire of the 21st Century said by nasadude:said by 45612019:...This is what happens when you let a gigantic corporate state have too much control over the Internet.
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it's also what happens when you have an arrogant country whose government is controlled by corporations. ^^^^What you said^^^^
Exactly. And the American public in a stupor, too busy watching the antics of celebrities on tv to give a damn. | |
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| | | Agreed.this is bullshit.
i am hating voting for anyone as they are mostly shmucks.
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| | | | Re: The Fascist Empire of the 21st Century No it's not. It's perfectly legal and needs to be expanded. | |
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| | | What is the progress of dot-p2p.org??? Is it out yet??? | |
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| | | | Re: The Fascist Empire of the 21st Century oh my god, you mean you might actually have to pay for your music/movies/software?
Losers like you belong in Jail. | |
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| | | said by 45612019:...This is what happens when you let a gigantic corporate state have too much control over the Internet.
I look forward to seeing the amount of control the U.S. has over the Internet decrease because of these antics.
LOL, hey clueless. This is NOTHING wrong with what DHS is doing. These sites facilitate illegal activities. You know it, I know it, EVERYONE knows it.
If anything, we should have more control, not less. The ability for these criminals to hide in other countries needs to end. | |
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| | | | Re: The Fascist Empire of the 21st Century You're a bit late there buddy.
Might want to go troll some newer stories if you want some people to actually take the bait. | |
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| loophole... So, although the site does allow one to access copyright infringing streams, they don't host the streams, so they don't break any law... but of course going to the site, and streaming, you are subverting copyright protection on the material you access.
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Camden, TN | Re: loophole... said by JohnInSJ:So, although the site does allow one to access copyright infringing streams, they don't host the streams, so they don't break any law... but of course going to the site, and streaming, you are subverting copyright protection on the material you access.
Mkay.
That's like saying if you allow 2 drug dealers to do business out of your house but you yourself don't sell any drugs you're not legally liable in any way. | |
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Naperville, IL | Re: loophole... said by BF69:said by JohnInSJ:So, although the site does allow one to access copyright infringing streams, they don't host the streams, so they don't break any law... but of course going to the site, and streaming, you are subverting copyright protection on the material you access.
Mkay.
That's like saying if you allow 2 drug dealers to do business out of your house but you yourself don't sell any drugs you're not legally liable in any way. more like... the CITY is not liable just because there are drug dealers doing business in the city, as long as the city made efforts to remove said drug dealers | |
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By, for example, shutting down the crack house. Or the domain.
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Camden, TN | said by Dest:said by BF69:said by JohnInSJ:So, although the site does allow one to access copyright infringing streams, they don't host the streams, so they don't break any law... but of course going to the site, and streaming, you are subverting copyright protection on the material you access.
Mkay.
That's like saying if you allow 2 drug dealers to do business out of your house but you yourself don't sell any drugs you're not legally liable in any way. more like... the CITY is not liable just because there are drug dealers doing business in the city, as long as the city made efforts to remove said drug dealers Um no. My analogy is right. The CITY would be the ISP. | |
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Naperville, IL | Re: loophole... Right so let's go sue cities just because crack dealers are selling somewhere in the city.
a city don't sell the crack, but just by existing they allow the crack dealer to sell crack, how's that different than the website? The one in question do comply with take down request and is already proven legal in a court of law. Can you imagine the outcry if some country say France decide to hijack Youtube's domain name? | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: Who actually removes the domains from the system Probably the individual registrar used by the domain owner to register the domain. I'm sure a nastygram on DHS letterhead is enough to get any registrar to buckle.
If that fails, I'm sure the registry operator for the TLD in question would be the next target.
I doubt ICANN gets involved.
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| Re: Who actually removes the domains from the system said by kapil:If that fails, I'm sure the registry operator for the TLD in question would be the next target.
I doubt ICANN gets involved.
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kudos:1 | Re: Who actually removes the domains from the system this fear should not be new. | |
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Evanston, IL | Re: Who actually removes the domains from the system sorry maybe i should have said that I fear for the future of the internet | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: loophole... I would imagine there is a law in place that prevents the restar from telling DHS to go Fsck itself? well unless they come with a court order in which case there is no choice. but id imagine short of an order from a judge DHS really can't make them do anything. they likely do it out of fear.
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San Francisco, CA | Re: loophole... Are you implying that DHS uses Linux?! | |
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kudos:7 | said by Kearnstd:well unless they come with a court order in which case there is no choice. but id imagine short of an order from a judge DHS really can't make them do anything. they likely do it out of fear. The seizure last year was approved by a judge. While it probably didn't take much more than a rubber stamp to get it approved, it did go through the legal process so in that regard, the registrar did not have any choice.
Don't blame the registrar, blame ICE, the legal system, and due process not having a chance. | |
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Mkay.
so then you better stop going to google...oh and every search....
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| | Ok...but... I thought Homeland Security was to protect us from "war" threats? However, something is misusing the power for protecting us from piracy? I am understanding this correctly?? Another case of good things falling into the wrong hands... | |
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Woodbridge, VA | They may have stopped ChannelSurfing... ...but others will take their place. | |
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14225-2105 | wrong target This seems an awful lot to me like trying to pin fatal gunshots on gun manufacturers or sellers. No, my friends, it is neither of those; go after those misusing technologies (or guns), not the conduits of same. If you're going to allow seizure of domain registrations, you might as well just do the Egyptian ISP thing and shut down Internet companies. After all, aren't the ISPs complicit in allowing these infringers to get their ill-gotten "goods?"
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| | So who is Obama going to throw under the bus? Janet Napolitano? She is the director and she has to answer for this stupidity.
Wonder how long before we get calls to get rid of control of ICANN and if our current President just lets it happen.
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Columbus, OH | Re: So who is Obama going to throw under the bus? You do realize they have been doing this for years, right? | |
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| | | | Re: So who is Obama going to throw under the bus? said by AdamB:You do realize they have been doing this for years, right?
Of course but you should also realize there are always scapegoats that need to fall on the sword. | |
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Atlanta, GA | isolation Maybe the rest of the world should simply turn their backs on the ever-sinking US. Europe and Asia should seize domains of US companies, impose tariffs on US goods and services, seize control of US businesses operating in their countries. Man, I'd love to see that. The Corporate States of America needs to be knocked down a few pegs before it is allowed to become even more draconian. | |
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| "Not illegal in Spain" equals "Completely Legal" ?? How do we get from A to B in this news story? I don't see the logic.
The analogy I can see is LimeWire, which also did not host any infringing content, but was also found in violation and shut down. So I think the standards in the USA are different from the standards in Spain. | |
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Gainesville, GA | LOL Few years ago i regged a domain with godaddy (mistake 1). didn't need it but just did it. not my first domain ive ever registered and so forth.
apparently i had to pay something stupid like 10$ per year to have my personal information "hidden" off the public whois.
so.. naturally i said no. after registration i went into the control panel and edited my whois info to a very believable entity and what not.
10 hours later, they cancelled my registration and refunded my money. no explanation given. i didnt care to inquire either.
i just laughed so hard.
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| PDXPLT
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Banks, OR | Re: LOL godaddy just did what they are contractually obligated to do. They are required to maintain accurate WHOIS. | |
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| | This is BULLSH1T! Instead of the government wasting time on this crap, they should be focusing on preventing another 9/11 from happening. | |
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Manitowoc, WI | Cut funding to DHS.... That is whats sucking this country dry with their incessant nonsense. They seem to cause more problems then they solve. Cut fema funding too. These two departments go hand in hand with police state tyranny. | |
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| | | Re: Cut funding to DHS.... Those sites are still available with a different extension after the '.' in their name.
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| Re: Cut funding to DHS.... said by wahoospa:Those sites are still available with a different extension after the '.' in their name.
Yeah! Like Rojadirecta.es | |
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|  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Murdoc:That is whats sucking this country dry with their incessant nonsense. They seem to cause more problems then they solve. Cut fema funding too. These two departments go hand in hand with police state tyranny. Amen.
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| innoman-Premium
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kudos:1 | DHS needs to go away. We have plenty of other organizations in this country that can handle the important parts of what they do. | |
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| Department of NFL Security Since everyone knows that the Super Bowl is an integral part of defending our homeland from terrorism, DHS has once again come to our defense by seizing unlicensed NFL jerseys.
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Under the law, agencies such as Immigrations and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection, both part of Homeland Security, are allowed to conduct "border authority" searches of overseas shipments without a search warrant or judicial approval. That's what they did at DHL starting on Wednesday.
Of course, now that they've got the threatening jerseys you won't be getting your money back if you ordered one. Defending the NFL is a national security issue, not defending customers.
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Most of the shirts and other items were ordered online, but customers are probably out of luck if they hope to get their money back.
We're safer now.
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kudos:7 | Re: Department of NFL Security said by fatness:Of course, now that they've got the threatening jerseys you won't be getting your money back if you ordered one. Defending the NFL is a national security issue, not defending customers. And how exactly would the ICE or any other federal agency get their money? The funds are probably dumped nightly if not more frequently to someone living in another country.
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Most of the shirts and other items were ordered online, but customers are probably out of luck if they hope to get their money back.
Call your credit card company and tell them the merchandise was never delivered. There's your money back.
And next time, don't order a site selling an "authentic" jersey at 10% it's normal price. If it's too good to be true... | |
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| Re: Department of NFL Security said by cdru:said by fatness:Of course, now that they've got the threatening jerseys you won't be getting your money back if you ordered one. Defending the NFL is a national security issue, not defending customers. And how exactly would the ICE or any other federal agency get their money? DHS is making sure the NFL gets their money. I don't agree they've got no way to get money back for consumers if they wished to do so. Unhampered by legal constraints and with a huge and growing budget, DHS can do just about anything they want to.
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kudos:2 | People need to stop voting Republican and Democrat People need to stop voting Republican and Democrat and realzie Ralph Nader is right! | |
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»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
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| Homeland Security.. needs a new name. They have simply become a tool for the entertainment industry with zero interest in protecting american citizens. Terrorists are not their concern unless they are selling pirated CDs or DVDs. Terrorists with bombs and guns don't worry them anymore.
Legal grounds don't worry them - they just go ahead and do what they please, like most of the DOJ and the rest of the government.
Was there ever a day when the DOJ really paid attention to the law instead of just doing whatever they wanted to do? | |
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| | | Re: Homeland Security.. I wonder if DHS monitors this site for "unhappy" citizens so they can take appropriate action via attitude adjustment? Seems DHS is everywhere EXCEPT for their intended purpose. I feel safer now that DHS is watching our borders so effectively, especially in the SouthWest corridor, and have seized questionable NFL branded products. Lord, who knows, maybe that knock-off is really a clever terrorist ploy to cripple the american economy. | |
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| | No Due Process I really have a problem suggesting that this is a "search warrant." They haven't commandered the evidence, they've webjacked the domain name.
It is done without prior notice, an opportunity to be heard, and their notices conspicuously don't appear to give notice about how to appeal the seizure.
I note the site is backup at Rojadirecta.es. | |
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|  schmol
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Windsor, PA | Re: No Due Process homeland security should be disbanded...I'm sure I'll get a phone call for this post | |
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| | | Should it be challanged, for not following the law - for example, the Gov't departments will just change the law.
Those are the people with the power to change the law at a moment's notice.
But yes, a few sites come to mind that are no longer using .com anymore... | |
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kudos:6 | How it Works ? AFAIK, last year, when the previous seizures happened, I participated in a thread - maybe in CBB forum here - where we reached the conclusion that many of the domains were taken down at the registrar level, as they were NOT dot-COMs but were instead dot-TVs (for example), and that NSI (Network Solutions Inc), who is a US firm, is the outsourced registrar of choice of some of the tiny offshore countries who do not have the resources to set up their own registrar.
Apparently, under those conditions, it is technologically as simple as changing the 'Hosting Record' of the registrar database, and pointing it to a server run by H.S., and after a day or so, the world's DNS server records dutifully follow that change in good faith, just as if the original registrant had deliberately changed hosting providers.
Obviously, NSI had to cooperate with HS in order for that to happen, but that is not the main topic of my post. | |
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|  XPAMDPremium
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united state | Re: gov I've thought that myself, probably within the next 20 to 30 years. | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Walnut, CA | DHS and ICE need to find a day job looks like they didn't have to worry any about real life and security mid and low income family, only lifestyle of the riches and the top 2%.
while DHS and ICE are working fully for the riches and top 2%. In fact we are losing the fight with terrorist because DHS and ICE are side tracked for the "mission critical" movies websites. not the facebook account of the terrorist. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Result: Internet Infrastructure will move offshore Because of fascist crap like this.
Result we'll lose more jobs and more money will flow from the USA overseas.
It's really stupid.
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