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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by jebba2005  :how will it work in 110 degree heat? No problem there, only the US has 110 degree heat.
(The rest of the world calls it 43, but the US is kinda backwards on measuring things). | |
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by Asmodeus1 :most 3rd worlders don't even use condoms much less know what a condom is... They can now google or wiki it on their new laptop. | |
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP But they don't have Internet connectivity. Oh, wait, that'll be the next U.N. project: provide access to the Internet to all citizens of the third world. The U.N. does a piss-poor job of fixing third world problems partly because it's dominated by the "leaders" of those countries who are largely responsible for the problems in the first place.
Until we get past the jealousy and finger-pointing about whose blame third-world poverty is and get people to start accepting responsibility for their own problems, it'll never change. In the meantime, let's keep handing out free notebook computers to people who don't have the energy to turn the crank because they don't have enough to eat. That may not really improve their situation, but it'll make some people in the western countries feel less guilty about being better off. | |
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by LinuxJunkie :That's what you're implying I am?
I defy you to explain the implication you accuse me of. It's simply not there. | |
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| said by Asmodeus1 :most 3rd worlders don't even use condoms much less know what a condom is... Funny that you can say the same thing about a lot of first world Mormons and Catholics too. 
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by dave :This would be the same Intel that has convinced most people that they need (Intel) CPUs in the 2-to-3 GHz range for adequate web access, right? Thanks to microsoft & symantec, they do! | |
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| said by dave :This would be the same Intel that has convinced most people that they need (Intel) CPUs in the 2-to-3 GHz range for adequate web access, right? Lol dave and so true. Look at the specs on compaq computers 3 ghz cpu 256 megs ram and no vid card listed. No vid listed because it uses on board vid totaling as high as 32 megs some times. Essentialy you got hugely fast and powerful cpus (arguably) but can never hope to make use of it all. Dell gateway and other big names are no better. Many are useing sub 60 gig hds still. I can legaly fill a 60 gig hd up in a few days. Computer market for off the shelf computers these days is over priced under powered (do to mis matched specs) door stops.....
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by novaflare :said by dave :This would be the same Intel that has convinced most people that they need (Intel) CPUs in the 2-to-3 GHz range for adequate web access, right? Lol dave and so true. Look at the specs on compaq computers 3 ghz cpu 256 megs ram and no vid card listed. No vid listed because it uses on board vid totaling as high as 32 megs some times. Essentialy you got hugely fast and powerful cpus (arguably) but can never hope to make use of it all. Dell gateway and other big names are no better. Many are useing sub 60 gig hds still. I can legaly fill a 60 gig hd up in a few days. Computer market for off the shelf computers these days is over priced under powered (do to mis matched specs) door stops..... It's not just gamers who need power. A high end CPU is not hindered in non-graphic intensive applications by an intergrated video card. Stuff like compiling applicatons and transcoding video are perfect examples. | |
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by reub2000 :said by novaflare :said by dave :This would be the same Intel that has convinced most people that they need (Intel) CPUs in the 2-to-3 GHz range for adequate web access, right? Lol dave and so true. Look at the specs on compaq computers 3 ghz cpu 256 megs ram and no vid card listed. No vid listed because it uses on board vid totaling as high as 32 megs some times. Essentialy you got hugely fast and powerful cpus (arguably) but can never hope to make use of it all. Dell gateway and other big names are no better. Many are useing sub 60 gig hds still. I can legaly fill a 60 gig hd up in a few days. Computer market for off the shelf computers these days is over priced under powered (do to mis matched specs) door stops..... It's not just gamers who need power. A high end CPU is not hindered in non-graphic intensive applications by an intergrated video card. Stuff like compiling applicatons and transcoding video are perfect examples. I think the main problem is the low amount of ram. I mean seriously, an average user with an older 1.8ghz P4 with a gig of ram will probably have a lot better experience than one with a 3ghz p4 and only 256MB of ram. | |
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CPU ...and infrastructure, maybe?
"are intended to bring computer access to areas that lack reliable electricity"
They are putting the cart before the horse. What good is a laptop if you barely even have shelter to keep it from getting wet in the rain? | |
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by hamburglar_ :(..) if you barely even have shelter to keep it from getting wet in the rain? Where the hell did you get that from? | |
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by dave :said by hamburglar_ :(..) if you barely even have shelter to keep it from getting wet in the rain? Where the hell did you get that from? They're just saying that 3rd world countries have much more basic/important things to take care of, long before laptops. | |
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clubs: | Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP You've obviously never lived in a 3rd world country.
I'll forgive you. Most Americans figure anywhere outside of the USA, Europe and parts of Asia are uncivilized. | |
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP Well using a subjective word like uncivilized, being snide, and making sweeping statements about Americans I don't think will particularly educate anyone.
I think it depends on which developing nation one is talking about. The nations mentioned as the 1st to receive this are quite well setup already, which is probably why they are the first, as they are the easiest in which to implement the idea.
But the nations that need assistance the most, (think much of Africa) often have very high HIV infection rates and very low levels of capital investment, including such basic things as paved roadways. As such, the nations that need assistance the most, are going to be the ones that can make the least use of such a laptop.
I would imagine it would be much more beneficial for many nations, African especially, to have for instance, US farm subsidies done away first, so that the farmers can better compete and better provide for a basic economy.
We're not talking about there being a problem shipping laptops to Mexico or Argentina. I think the point is that there won't be the infrastructure to support these laptops in the nations which need help the most. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP There are plenty of other programs for healthcare and such. | |
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| Keep em dumb, keep em ignorant, that's the way to win. Why waste money on something that will allow them to raise their quality of life. Stuff like medical books, or agricultural books, or even cheap laptops are wasted on 'those people of disadvantaged reasons'. Spend the money on rice, you can always withhold the food if they start to act up or complain about living conditions. God forbid the 'disadvantaged regions' should access modern information, or use a product in a manner that we, the all powerful leaders, don't see fit. We need to control everything they do, and not give them the tools to think for themselves. That's how revolutions start, and that would be a bad thing for those in power. The **AA's realize this, and so do the would be baby doc duvaliers and his retire-rich cronies.
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| said by G_Poobah :Keep em dumb, keep em ignorant, that's the way to win. Why waste money on something that will allow them to raise their quality of life. Stuff like medical books, or agricultural books, or even cheap laptops are wasted on 'those people of disadvantaged reasons'. Spend the money on rice, you can always withhold the food if they start to act up or complain about living conditions. God forbid the 'disadvantaged regions' should access modern information, or use a product in a manner that we, the all powerful leaders, don't see fit. We need to control everything they do, and not give them the tools to think for themselves. That's how revolutions start, and that would be a bad thing for those in power. The **AA's realize this, and so do the would be baby doc duvaliers and his retire-rich cronies. Thats a fine attitude until we help make them smart and then OUR jobs go over there to people that can do them as well as us but get paid like $3.50 a day.
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by dvd536 :Thats a fine attitude until we help make them smart and then OUR jobs go over there to people that can do them as well as us but get paid like $3.50 a day. Hate to break it you kid, but that's been happening for quite some time now. Guess we should make ourselves smart...?
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| said by G_Poobah :Keep em dumb, keep em ignorant, that's the way to win. Cause, as we all know, laptops are the only way to learn anything.
I mean, when you're starving to death and about to die of Malaria, it'll really help out if you can order a Papa Johns and look up the drugs you can't get on WebMD.
PS: before you go into another raving rant about the **AA's and keeping the rest of the world ignorant let me point out 2 things:
1. 100$ goes a lot further in other countries than it does in the developed world...even further if you give it to someone who knows how to get others on board his mission.
2. 100$ worth of books are less fragile and can be easily passed from person to person potentially bringing knowledge to thousands of people. (Not to mention books don't need to find net access to be useful)
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP
Not to mention that, if the area has no electricity, where the hell are they going to get net access? That can be controlled by the government. Install a satellite station...that needs electricity, maintenance and, can be controlled by the government?
And, the thing looks...wellll creepy. All puke green and all. Looks like a childs toy. Jeez what a waste of money. But then, they are just trying to get away from the food for oil scandal. It all SOUNDS good and all, but implimenting it is where the failure will come. | |
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by Fatal Vector :Not to mention that, if the area has no electricity, where the hell are they going to get net access? That can be controlled by the government. Install a satellite station...that needs electricity, maintenance and, can be controlled by the government? It is all being done at this very instant.
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| said by Fatal Vector :Not to mention that, if the area has no electricity, where the hell are they going to get net access? That can be controlled by the government. Install a satellite station...that needs electricity, maintenance and, can be controlled by the government? And, the thing looks...wellll creepy. All puke green and all. Looks like a childs toy. Jeez what a waste of money. But then, they are just trying to get away from the food for oil scandal. It all SOUNDS good and all, but implimenting it is where the failure will come. You guys are really pathtetic, seriously. What's up, are you scared of another 400M+ kid willb e smarter than you maybe?  | |
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| Re: I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CP said by LOsErLuKiN :Hand-cranked? I'm scared. Nothing to be afraid of. Hell, I want one of these. I want a power supply mod that will give me this capability with my existing lappies.
Imagine if you are running low on battery power and you are in a public park...with WiFi...and there's no place to plug in? Get the crank out. Apply elbow grease for 10 minutes, and you're back surfing the web.
As they say in Japan...sugoi, neh?
Negroponte is talking about selling these puppies in the First World for $200 or thereabouts to make the project self-supporting. It might not be the latest and greatest ThinkPad or aluminum Powerbook but it wouldn't be a half bad PDA replacement.
And yes! It runs Linux! w00t.
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Evanston, IL | Re: Will it have Windows? 1. It's using free (as in speech) software.
2. I'm guessing their using a preinstalled binary distro
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Queen Creek, AZ | 100$ computers??? having the UN run this will assure that the pcs never get into the hands of those most deserving. Anyone remember the "oil for food" debacle still unfolding with our buddy "Koffee Kup Anan"? | |
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Yermo, CA | Re: 100$ computers??? It's $100, Not 100$ Well If It's not on the left, It's not US currency. | |
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| What other "gadgets" have presumably failed? Craig Barrett hasn't named any of the other "gadgets" that have supposedly failed, making his statements questionable at the very least. I remember another hand-cranked "gadget" that was released many years ago, a hand-cranked radio developed by English inventor Trevor Baylis, originally created for the South African market where most townships have no fully developed electrical infrastructures, and where radio broadcasts were essential to disseminate critical health information such as AIDS.
The South Africans were hoarding and exchanging batteries like crazy trying to keep their radios running. When Baylis saw this, he thought there had to be a better solution. What came of this is the development of not only his hand-cranked radio, but also hand-cranked flashlights and generators. These devices have made a considerable difference in countries where electrical power was an unattainable luxury, yet information was essential for one's survival.
The hand-cranked laptop could be an essential extension to the dissemination of information. Even more so that this little "gadget" will allow the users to actively participate in the discussions, offering their own feedback to what is discussed. It wouldn't surprise me if most users of these laptops end up being adults who need to exchange vital information between themselves. The laptops are already designed to exchange information from one device to another via a mesh network (i.e. no central network infrastructure required), a fact that Barrett appears to have neglected to mention.
Barrett's comments sound more like the ramblings of a man who wants his corporation to prosper at the expense of human lives. As for those here who believe the money may be better spent on food and health care, the concern is reasonably justified. But imagine for a moment that information on these critical items are propagated across poor nations at lightning speed. In the case of medicine, it could mean the difference between a healthy individual and an individual who dies of a drug overdose.
And imagine for a moment what could happen in nations where dictatorships have impoverished the population. Imagine if that same population is made aware of what has been done to them and how they can change their lives for the better. Brutal dictatorships could crumble. Deadly rebellions could be stopped. Infant mortality rates could decrease. There are so many possibilities.
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| Re: What other "gadgets" have presumably failed? For the real deal, go to »www.freeplayenergy.com .
EDIT: Just noticed that if you buy the Freeplay Lifeline model at »www.ccrane.com , they'll also donate one to the Freeplay Foundation which will then donate it to a needy child in a developing country. Could the same concept also work for the 100$ laptop? (note the position of the "$" ) | |
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| From MIT»laptop.media.mit.edu/faq.html
Most of your questions are answered right there at MIT.
What is the $100 Laptop, really?
The proposed $100 machine will be a Linux-based, full-color, full-screen laptop that will use innovative power (including wind-up) and will be able to do most everything except store huge amounts of data. This rugged laptop will be WiFi-enabled and have USB ports galore. Its current specifications are: 500MHz, 1GB, 1 Megapixel.
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What about connectivity? Aren't telecommunications services expensive in the developing world?
When these machines pop out of the box, they will make a mesh network of their own, peer-to-peer. This is something initially developed at MIT and the Media Lab. We are also exploring ways to connect them to the backbone of the Internet at very low cost.
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How will these be marketed?
The idea is to distribute the machines through those ministries of education willing to adopt a policy of "One Laptop per Child." Initial discussions have been held with China, Brazil, Thailand, and Egypt. Additional countries will be selected for beta testing. Initial orders will be limited to a minimum of one million units (with appropriate financing).
One can understand why Intel and Microsoft would be upset. Get the third world computer savvy with Linux, on inexpensive hardware, and a huge potential market is cut from future sales. People tend to stick with the programs/OSs they first learn on.
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| Re: What the hell is the hank crank for? said by aliasrlz :To start it and keep it running? WTF? It winds up a spring, which in turn runs a small generator/battery setup making it independent of a power infrastructure. Pretty spiffy concept actually.
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I'll bet the $100 laptop doesn't have Intel CPU
I don't agree with the Intel chairman's assessment of why the $100 laptop is a bad idea. But that doesn't mean I agree that the best use of UN and developing nations money is in the purchase of laptops for disadvantaged regions. That money can be better spent on improving agriculture, healthcare, etc.
