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Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Cry me a river ...yet sales are up, go figure. | |
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shaner
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Calgary, AB | Re: Cry me a river ARRRRRRR!
I'm a Pirate! | |
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vernik20022
join:2004-02-11
East York, ON | Re: Cry me a river half of planet are pirates in one or another way!
What can i say, I am one of them  | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
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| Re: Cry me a river CacheLogic's study....
"We made the numbers up out of our arses.... BUY OUR P2P FILTERS!!!!"
.... Two letters. A "B" and an "S". Now put them next to each other, with the B first, a period, and then the S, with a period, and you have the "validity" of their study.
Must be nice being able to make up whatever you want to try and drive sales.
Whatever! See the poster a little further down!
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Duo Maxwell
What? Stop Looking At Me Like That
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI | Avast ye matey! How much of that is pirated booty? | |
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anon9000
@rr.com | How can it be "costing" them money when people are PAYING for their bandwidth. Just more crap put out trying to make things look worse than they actually are. | |
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djtim21
It's all good
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Buffalo Grove, IL
clubs: | Re: Cry me a river I think they are talking about company's bandwidth not home users bandwidth | |
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| flexy123
join:2004-02-02 | sales are up and movies break ONE sales record after the other.
So..basically all the statement how the dowloading of movies HURTS the business are LIES ---- | |
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| JonIrenicas
join:2002-06-22
| Sales are going up because more people are getting into the new technology's (DVD players, Computers, consoles, cd players ect..) at a rate faster then previous buyers are turning into download only pirates. Most advocates say it's ok to pirate stuff as long as we don't make a profit off of it but have you ever heard the phrase "A penny saved is a penny earned"?
There's always pirate free for all advocates that will argue this but there is no denying (if you're a clear thinker) what negative impact piracy has had on the PC gaming scene. | |
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You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | Re: Cry me a river And you have some data to back up this claim?
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Speedy8
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Alliance, OH
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1 edit | Let me just say that I can't count the number of times I've played a pirated game then bought it because it didn't have a demo. If it wasn't for piracy I'd buy less games. I'm not sure how many people are like me, but I'm sure there are plenty. Before I downloaded stuff I quit buying games without demos because I was tired of getting ripped off by horrible games. | |
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join:2002-06-22 | Re: Cry me a river Any game worth buying has a demo. Even if what you say is true and you actually buy MORE games because of piracy (LOL) the majority don't. | |
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boogi man
join:2001-11-13
Apo, AE
clubs: | WOW That is a big number | |
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Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | suweeet warez 4 life! | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Re: suweeet TEAM WAREZ! | |
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technick
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Loganville, GA | Re: suweeet Keeping It Phree | |
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rosco
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USA | Arrrrrrrghhh Matey!! Avast ye scurvy dogs, theres lots more booty to be had.
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Speedy8
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Alliance, OH
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1 edit | Re: Arrrrrrrghhh Matey!! No, if porn was included it would be more like 1 million petabytes.
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Vamp
5c077
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MD | atleast a 100 gigabytes of that was me   | |
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g3ddylee
join:2002-12-09
Lincoln Park, NJ | Re: atleast a 100 gigabytes of that was me Amen to that, soldier! | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | Text please? I can't get to the linked stories. Can someone put up a copy on a p2p network so I can get it? | |
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fnord76
join:2002-05-14
Troy, IL | 10 petabytes (10 million gigabytes)? How many 0's is that?
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Re: 10 petabytes (10 million gigabytes)? Let me check my Downloads folder... | |
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supertbone
join:2002-04-04
Pleasant Grove, UT | That's it? I am surprised about this number. I would expect it to be much higher... ...so get back to work! | |
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a2nxtcrav3r
Pokes People With Stick
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San Jose, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: That's it? said by supertbone  :
I am surprised about this number. I would expect it to be much higher... ...so get back to work!
hahaha it means i need to download more =)
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Plasticman
Will Work For Bandwidth
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join:2002-09-06
Harrisville, RI
clubs: | 10 Petabytes?????? What 10 Petabytes of data a day..... I thought I was only moving about 8 or 9 Petabytes a day
Plasticman | |
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join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | 10 Petabytes And we still have plenty of dark fiber. | |
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avguser
join:2003-02-09 | No way I'm not believing the number. That equates to around 300,000 (three hundred thousand) people downloading on a 3 Mbps connection 24 hrs per day every single day. No way! | |
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TheGiant
Next Year Is Here.
join:2001-03-28
Augusta, GA
1 edit | Re: No way said by avguser :
I'm not believing the number. That equates to around 300,000 (three hundred thousand) people downloading on a 3 Mbps connection 24 hrs per day every single day. No way!
Comcastmust have over 300,000 HSI subscribers, add in the rest of the ISPs and we could reach that number in the USA alone. Now ad in Europe and the Asia Don't forget our friends in Japan that have 100MPs connections they could do a lot on their own. That number seems low to me.
Just because you use p2p doesn't make you a criminal. Lots of legitimate uses for p2p exist. Sure sharing Copyrighted material is wrong. I came to this conclusion and have stopped not because the RIAA will storm my house but because someday maybe I will copyright something and want to make a buck off it.
Older out of date material that Companies will not
rerelease I think should be fair game. How about an expiration like a patent say 10 years or 20? The the work can be used for none revenue purposes.
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join:2003-02-09
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| Re: No way 300K per day, every day, all day is what I can't believe - worldwide use included. Sure Comcast has a lot of subscribers and everything, and there are fatter pipes being used overseas, but that's still a pretty large number. Anyway, as part of this thread also suggests Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. We'll never really know | |
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join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC
| Re: No way My math must be a little off. 10 Petabytes = 10,485,760 Gigabytes. At 3megabits/s I can transfer 180megabits in a minute, 10800 megabits in an hour, or 259,200 megabits in a day, which is 13,200 megabytes, or approximately 12.9 Gigabytes. Unless I screwed up somewhere, wouldn't that be over 800,000 people?
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Vivi
Mr Happy
join:2002-07-28
MD | ... *waits for anonymous troll* | |
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anonymous_troll
@155.58.x.x
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What are you doing on my bridge?
Oh, wait, wrong kind of troll... | |
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The Folsom
Kindly Shut Your Noise Hole.
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join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: ... said by anonymous_troll:
*GROWL*
What are you doing on my bridge?
Oh, wait, wrong kind of troll...
Sign on bridge:
"Please Do Not Feed The Trolls..."
Heh Heh Heh...
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bmn
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join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| For just pennies a day... quote:
Of course CacheLogic, who claims said sharing costs ISP's $10 million per year in bandwidth and network management costs, sells p2p filtering gear and has a vested interest in piracy being "out of control".
$10 Million per year, that's it. In the grand scheme of things, that's just pennies in a bucket compared to how much providers rake in yearly.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Dr. Evil the Pirate <Dr. Evil>
unless you download the sum of 100 billion, trillion, kajillion, shibitty-shoo... quadrillion... bytes!
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warlock56
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Arlington, TX | That's all? If I had a penny for every byte I....nevermind | |
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TheGiant
Next Year Is Here.
join:2001-03-28
Augusta, GA
| Re: That's all? Ya but wasn't the Pair Hilton Video about half of this?
Just some Marketing manager try to drum up some business for his P2P filter. I think he needs a waaaaaaambulance. Stop sharing information your making the world a better place. P2P forever.......
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digiphreak
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Milton, WI
clubs: | Waaaaambulance. Love it. New word added to my repertoire.
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join:2004-01-20
Lawrenceville, GA | Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics I don't trust numbers. | |
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antiphishing
Phishing Scam Terminator
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join:2004-06-09
Wilkes Barre, PA
1 edit | Screw the R.I.A.A. After years of the music industry ripping off billions of music listener with overpriced compact discs, they are getting what they just deserved. Anyone that screws a big corporation through illegal piracy is okay in my book.
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Devil in the details.... quote:
It estimates Internet users around the globe freely exchange a staggering 10 petabytes – or 10 million gigabytes – of data, much of it in the form of copyright-protected songs, movies, software and video games.
Well ok...now granted I haven't gone in and read the report/study/industry funded bs...but one must expand on this for it to mean anything at all.
The assertion is that all of this activity is illegal, simply because, well...of course ALL sharing is illegal isn't it? AND of course placing the required "copyright-protected" in there adds all of the legitimacy that is needed.
The phrase "copyright-protected" is far too broad. Freeware, shareware and other works offered freely may still be copyright-protected. The tone of the comment is meant again to make this seem as if it is always and fully illegal regardless of the media being shared.
Total BS of course....but hey, what do you expect from a guy who's making a living selling filtering gear. No different than the FUD dealers who used to go around feaking out CEOs about Y2K, so they could sell more programming services.
K.
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
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join:2002-03-05
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| This info means diddly-squat... I understand that this guy has a vested interest in coming out with radically inflated figures. That's the only way he can try to scare some of these ISPs that really don't need his "filter" into buying it.
You have to admit that telling an ISP that they could potentially be liable for millions of dollars in a lawsuit due to their users' illegal activities has a really good sound to it, if you're in his shoes. The thing he seems to ignore is that an ISP can't be held liable for its users' illegal actions, so long as the ISP didn't know about them and had a policy against them. I don't know of a single ISP that doesn't state downloading copyrighted software is against their ToS, so they're probably covered fairly well in this sense. I'm not a lawyer, but this makes pretty good sense to me...
This needs to be coupled with something that many ISPs already know all too well-- a lot of the activity on P2P networks and other places has fueled their growth tremendously. A post above already touched on this very well. Not too many people would be shelling out top dollar for high speed connections just to surf around to message boards and post opinions, or to download the latest linux distro every couple of weeks. I'm not saying that software piracy is the only reason to have a high speed connection (it isn't), but let's face it: that's a big part of the reason for a large number of people. Like I said, ISPs know this as well; they have no desire to do things that will cause their broadband subscriber base to shrink and shrivel.
And finally, I really have to call into question the ability of any "filtering" device or software when it comes to stopping piracy. Sure, there are ways to temporarily block things and stop people. There are ways to slow down file sharing and trading. But there is nothing out there that can completely stop it. P2P applications are adaptive: the moment that a group of them is rendered useless by an anti-piracy technology, another group seemingly pops up from nowhere. And that's ignoring all of the other potential channels that can be used, from IM apps to IRC to good old fashioned email. No filtering device can possibly stop 100% of this traffic; it's an impossible feat.
IMHO, the creator of this filtering technology should turn his time and talent to something that everybody wants and would benefit from. How about creating a device (or software) that will prevent spammers from sending their obscenity-laiden junk mail? How about creating a device (or software) that can automatically block all Internet ads from appearing-- no matter what web site a person visits? These are things that I would think ISPs would want to see implemented. And these are things that I think would attract some users to those ISPs.
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If Only Rome Could See Us Now....
join:2001-01-25
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