Hot_Rats
He's Not Tor Johnson
join:2003-07-08
Indianapolis, IN
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| reply to Rexter
Re: Free''LINDOWS''
said by Rexter  :
It may run on a Linux kernel, but it is not open source, therefor it is not Linux.
Of course it is. "Linux" is a kernel. Linsipre uses the Linux kernel, therefore it is Linux.
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GILXA1226
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-29
London, OH
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| reply to Rexter
said by Rexter :
A lot of Linux people seem to be getting upset about all the hype around Lindows. Even though I haven't specifically heard anyone say this, I'm getting the impression that Lindows is not Linux. It may run on a Linux kernel, but it is not open source, therefor it is not Linux. I don't think that they give you access to the source code. I'd like to see Linspire succeed. More choices is a good thing. I'll check it out, and report here later. I may very well agree with you that it sux. I already think that X sux, and I think that Lindows relies very heavily on X. I'd like to see the open source community come out with an entirely new GUI, without X for Linux.
If it runs on the Linux kernel, it's linux. As for Linux people getting upset about it... eh... I just think most linux users don't like it/aren't going to use it because it is too 'watered down' as compaired to a mainstream linux distro like Debian, Gentoo, Mandrake, SuSe, etc. With all that being said, it wasn't made for linux users... it was made for people to make an easy switch away from windows.
As for your GUI comment without X.. that may be coming, especially with the new Xfree licensing scheme. However X is just the graphical server, as for GUI gnome, kde, blackbox, fluxbox, et. all are the actual user interface, there are tons out there. Personally I find gnome the most suited for my needs... the trick is to give them all a try to find out which one works for you.
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brg
join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL
| said by GILXA1226 :
Well there's I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX X XI XII XIII XIV XV XVI XVII XVIII wheels on a big rig, and they're rollin, rollin, rollin, rollin down the road.
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Schmengy Brother
@ioip.com
|  reply to ZZZZZZZ
Is there a way to retrive this product WITHOUT fooling with the BiTTorrent Hoopware?Why can Lindows makers not use a robust platform for distrubuting their product. How many of you like to mess around with P2P.I dont know about you all but I don't care to get my operating systems off P2P. I did Google search for BT client, select my platform, select the version, select the "preferred mirror", and go to the Mirror site and look in vain for the product. Which was of course not available.One "mirror" was a usenet site! YEAH Thats a good place to get BitTorrent I bet! I will just choose another product if it's such a hassle to get this one. And I was looking into using Lindows here for the machines at the office which is big. Guess who just lost a big sale. |
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Outsourced
Premium
join:2002-03-17
Holly Springs, NC
| said by Schmengy Brother:
Is there a way to retrive this product WITHOUT fooling with the BiTTorrent Hoopware?.......I will just choose another product if it's such a hassle to get this one. And I was looking into using Lindows here for the machines at the office which is big. Guess who just lost a big sale.
Yea Right.
My apologies that you don't know anything about Bittorrent.
Bittorrent Help - Bit Torrent FAQ Help Guide
Linspire is available for download from the linspire.com site.
(free for me since I signed up as a developer a while ago) I don't know if it's free for the general public, but I don't think so.
I've been seeding it on Bittorent for a day now to help anyone who wants it to get it for free. |
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Rexter
YeeHaw
join:2002-11-17
cloud 9
| reply to GILXA1226
I've played with both KDE and Gnome. I haven't taken the time to mess with any other X GUI's. It's been my experience that both Gnome, and KDE are sluggish, and buggy. It pains me to say this, but they simply aren't as efficient as Windows.:( Being the Linux lover that I am, I am convinced that it's not Linux, but X, that's the problem. |
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Rexter
YeeHaw
join:2002-11-17
cloud 9
1 edit | reply to Schmengy Brother
Bit Torrent good!
You can't expect Linspire.com to pay for massive amounts of bandwidth so that you and I, and everyone else we know can download their software for free. Bit Torrent is not your typical P2P network. It's a whole new breed. Bit Torrent is highly efficient. It makes good economical since to host files as torrents. If I ran a server what had popular content, why would I pay massive amounts of money for bandwidth, when I could utilize other peoples bandwidth with Bit Torrent?
Valve is a great example of this. They have something like a 750Mb pipe, but they still get crippled every time they release a new mod version for Half-Life, or something. People have to wait forever in cue, and then download at like 14kb/s for days on end. With BT they can rip right past all this, and download it now, at full speed! BT is here to stay, if you resist it, you'll be left behind. So check it out. You'll like it. It's not like using Kazaa. |
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zmike2
join:2004-02-16
92680
| reply to ZZZZZZZ
Re: BitTorrent
you download BitTorrent read what a Torrent file is!
»bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/introduction.html
»ftp://ftp.tpnet.pl/d5/programy/bittorr···.4.2.exe |
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pleekmo
Triptoe Through The Tulips
Premium
join:2001-09-14
Manchester, CT
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| said by zmike2 :
»ftp://ftp.tpnet.pl/d5/programy/bittorr···.4.2.exe
DO NOT use the standard BitTorrent client. It will use up your entire upstream bandwidth for just ONE torrent.
Instead, use a configurable BT client, such as BitTornado or Azureus.
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zmike2
join:2004-02-16
92680 | Re: TORRENT
THANKS!...I saw that upload stream win I was downloading the linspire-full-4.5.393.iso, IT took me all night to download the iso, it was slow downloading. |
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ZZZZZZZ
Premium
join:2001-05-27
PARADISE
| reply to ZZZZZZZ
Re: Free''LINDOWS''
DO NOT use the standard BitTorrent client. It will use up your entire upstream bandwidth for just ONE torrent.
Instead, use a configurable BT client, such as BitTornado or Azureus.
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It took me an hour to download it and another hour to download Knoppix.........700mbs?
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zmike2
join:2004-02-16
92680
1 edit | reply to ZZZZZZZ
your download rate is proportional to your uplade rate. |
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pleekmo
Triptoe Through The Tulips
Premium
join:2001-09-14
Manchester, CT
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| said by zmike2 :
your download rate is proportional to your uplade rate.
Possibly, though I've not seen any difference if I throttle my upload rate all the way down.
You might notice that your client is firewalled, and hence, you will never get much upload rate anyway. Nor, probably, much download rate.
You will notice on SHAD0W's site that there is a link to instructions on how to un-firewall your BT clients. If not, there are definitely instructions on bt.etree.org.
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insomniac
Oh Yeah
Premium
join:2002-09-22
Naperville, IL
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| reply to zmike2
Re: TORRENT
said by zmike2 :
IT took me all night to download the iso, it was slow downloading.
Yeah, no kidding. I'm sitting on an OC-12 at work right now, and there's no reason for it to take five hours to download this thing.
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lhamp
Premium
join:2000-02-20
Stone Mountain, GA
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| reply to jopfef
Re: Free''LINDOWS''
I also stopped cold when they asked for payment upfront! When I got to the point of you will be charged for 12 months even after you cancel within the 15 day trail period I said WHF!!! No way! what kind of crap is that?? First of all why would anyone spend $14.95 a month for downloads of any Linux OS when it's basically free from any Linux site?
I run Mandrake on one of my PCs and still have massive problems with Linux. I thought that Lindows was supposed to be the answer to Windows and be compatable with Windows OS. What a crock! Anyone that I know who has attemted to use Lindows has run into massive problems.
If anyone wishing to try Lindows out shouldn't be pressured into giving out credit card # just to download. This is not FREE!! |
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FunnyBones
Premium
join:2004-01-22
usa | reply to ZZZZZZZ
Zmike2 your problem is that ports are blocked.............see the yellow dot.....Your speeds will not get better untill you unblock it. |
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dfdsfdsf
@rr.com
| reply to ZZZZZZZ
I have went through the order process and applied the coupon. Everything went through yet nowhere during the process was I shown the torrent link.
I then downloaded the torrent from this forum. The tracker connected to 1 person dowloaded about 300 kb and now It's at 0 kbps. Has been for about an hour.
I'm downloading something else at the momement through torrent without any problems as well so I know it has to be the tracker. |
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macmouse
Premium
join:2002-05-30
Saratoga, CA
| reply to pleekmo
Re: BitTorrent
Actually, your wrong. The standard bit-torrent client *can* be set to now use up all of your band with. Its just not configured with an shiny button...
[Wow! I just pretty much made an how-to right here]
FYI - All of this is done by the command line. "Dos" if you would.
You can get to it by running
Start -> Run -> cmd [for win2k/winxp/winnt]
or
Start -> Run -> command [for win95/98/ME]
(you type in the program name and hit return)
For example, my setting on my linux box is as follows..
./btdownloadcurses.py --ip aaa.bbc.ccc.ddd --max_upload_rate 12 --check_hashes 1 --responsefile "/home/macmouse/linspire-full-4.5.393.torrent" --saveas "/export/torrent/linspire-full-4.5.393.torrent"
Beware, this *must* be all on one continous line. Evil line splitting forum..
Whats going on here?
--max_upload_rate = the "max" rate you will upload in kiloBytes/sec.
--ip
This is well, where your ip address goes. *Especially* useful, when your behind an NAT firewall and have port forwarding turned on. If you are not using an router, this is not necessary.
--responcefile
Used for defining where the .torrent file is located.
--saveas
Where you want to save the output to. you can use an different filename if you want.
You can Also put it on a different folder/drive.
Also, The quotes (" and "or ' and ') only matter if your the file names have spaces in them. Make sure to match the quote kinds (can't have a mix).
Now, for those that are running windows the slashes are backwards and include the drive letter.
For example
"C:\downloads\whatever.torrent"
You also need to use "btdownloadgui.exe" because thats the only one available in the compiled version.
So an completed line for that would be.. [making an few presumptions]
"C:\Program Files\BitTorrent\btdownloadgui" --ip aaa.bbc.ccc.ddd --max_upload_rate 12 --saveas "C:\downloads\whatever.torrent" --responsefile "C\downloads\whatever.avi"
Adjust as necessary.
Extra Credit
--check_hashes 1
This allows you to manually decide weither or not to check your file is correct.
This is only useful, if you have already downloaded the file and are seeding. In such an case, you would set that to 0 and bittorrent will startup faster.
However, if your not done downloading, it won't work.
See! Wasn't that easy?  |
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GILXA1226
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-29
London, OH
clubs:
| reply to Rexter
Re: Free''LINDOWS''
said by Rexter :
I've played with both KDE and Gnome. I haven't taken the time to mess with any other X GUI's. It's been my experience that both Gnome, and KDE are sluggish, and buggy. It pains me to say this, but they simply aren't as efficient as Windows.:( Being the Linux lover that I am, I am convinced that it's not Linux, but X, that's the problem.
That can depend on a few things... mostly dealing with the specs of your computer. On my p-III 450 kde 3 is slow, gnome 2.6 isn't that bad. Now on my P-4 2.26 they both run fine. I have a P-III laptop that I will occassionally install linux on, and gnome runs great, KDE not so well... but that also has an ATI card in it that they refuse to release drivers for because it's older.
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FunnyBones
Premium
join:2004-01-22
usa | I am using knoppix std right now.
I figure hey its free at the moment and let me get in on this freebie from lindows. |
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