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| Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join the VoIP Fray "BroadVox also will deploy an analog telephone adapter (ATA) built to its own specifications that enables two simultaneous calls using the G.729 standard, which operates at an average of 30 kbps. Other vendors can only support two simultaneous calls using a combination of G.729 and the G.711 standard, which operates at an average of 90 kbps, said Williams."
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PhoneBoy
I Am
join:2002-01-02
Gig Harbor, WA | Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join The new CPE is supposed to do T.38 (that means it should support fax properly) and QoS. | |
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roamer1
sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
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| Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join said by PhoneBoy  :
The new CPE is supposed to do T.38 (that means it should support fax properly) and QoS.
The Sipura SPA-2000 already sends out QoS bits... (they show up in tcpdump, and I use them to prioritize traffic in iptables)
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Princeton, TX | Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join which codec is 30kpbs?
I'm on a 128kbps upload so this is important to me.
I wish G.723.1 was a standard that more than one VoIP company uses. | |
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sesat
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join:2003-12-16
Oakland, CA
| Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join said by Neutron1998 :
which codec is 30kpbs?
g.729 is around 30kbps inclusive of IP overhead.
said by PhoneBoy :
G.729 sounds a bit better and, at least to me, barely distinguishable from G.711.
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PhoneBoy
I Am
join:2002-01-02
Gig Harbor, WA
| said by roamer1 :
The Sipura SPA-2000 already sends out QoS bits... (they show up in tcpdump, and I use them to prioritize traffic in iptables)
As do I. Thank you, Wondershaper.
Broadvox Direct's new device will be more like the Motorola device, i.e. a router instead of just a SIP endpoint. From that standpoint, QoS takes on a different meaning...
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join:2003-07-01
0628 | Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join Is BVD going to upgrade our devices? OR will this be for new customers ONLY? | |
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PhoneBoy
I Am
join:2002-01-02
Gig Harbor, WA
| Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join The presumption is that it will be handled similar to how Vonage and Voicepulse handled similar transitions away from the Cisco ATA-186, i.e. you'll have to pay a small fee to swap the device. However, I don't have any knowledge one way or the other.
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join:2003-07-01
0628 | Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join Thanks Phoneboy...That is better than nothing!!!! | |
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| | ieee1394
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Washington
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| said by PhoneBoy :
The new CPE is supposed to do T.38 (that means it should support fax properly) and QoS.
The T.38 is good. As someone else mentioned: will there be an upgrade path for current subscribers? I have two Broadvox SPA2000's right now. As for the QoS, I'll pass on that if it's going to be another one of these solutions where the adapter has to go in front of my router. That won't work anyway for someone that has more than one VOIP adapter. | |
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join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA
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1 edit | Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join T.38 sounds good to me if it can handle modem connections (dish network receiver). Where can I find more info on this standard? Since Broadvox owns the SPA I hope they would replace it if necessary to support the standard with all the customers if the SPA is not upgradeable to T.38.
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I found doing a google search what the T.38 is about at »www.intel.com/network/csp/resour···1web.htm | |
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join:2001-08-25
Washington
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| Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join said by neftv :
T.38 sounds good to me if it can handle modem connections (dish network receiver).
T.38 is for faxing only.
Also, looking back at my Vonage usage, it looks like Dish doesn't work at all with Vonage anymore either. I'm thinking they may have changed something in the firmware that they pushed at the end of 2003. | |
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join:2001-03-24
| Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join the VoIP Fray BroadVoice uses the higher quality G711 codec. I use BroadVoice and have measured EXACT bandwidth requirements for a single call, and a conference call. Outcome? Each call uses exactly 74Kbps. So if you are making a single call, you need 74Kbps upload speed. 148Kbps upload speed on a conference call. I also use the internet during these calls without any effect on the VOIP call. I have a cable modem connection of 3Mbps Down, 256Kbps up.
I can tell you these calls are excellent quality. Conference calls sound just as good as single calls. No delays, no echos, no breakups. Me and my freind, both who use BroadVoice at our respective homes, made a VOIP to VOIP call to each other. Then each one of us independently added another party to each of our calls with conferencing. When done, we have four of us on the line. The two parties we both added said they couldn't tell the difference if they'd called each other direct! And these two extra conferencees were both located 2000 miles from each of us.
Call setup -> VOIP1 (me) calls VOIP 2 (friend). VOIP 1 (me) makes conference call to PSTN destination. VOIP 2 (freind) makes conference call to another PSTN destination. We're all conferenced together.
When both of us VOIP users were done, we hung up. 3rd and 4th parties 2000 miles away were now transferred to each other. Now that's a superb network. Go BroadVoice! | |
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PhoneBoy
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join:2002-01-02
Gig Harbor, WA
| Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join said by markhph :
BroadVoice uses the higher quality G711 codec. I use BroadVoice and have measured EXACT bandwidth requirements for a single call, and a conference call. Outcome? Each call uses exactly 74Kbps.
Does your measurement include IP and UDP overhead?
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join:2001-03-24 | Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join Yes. | |
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| | Neutron1998
join:2004-03-25
Princeton, TX | Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join the VoIP Fray Packet8 is G723.1 right? Isn't that 17kbps. Wouldn't this standard be better? | |
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PhoneBoy
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join:2002-01-02
Gig Harbor, WA
| Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join It is better from a bandwidth standpoint, but not from an audio quality standpoint. To a lot of people, G.723.1 doesn't sound that great. G.729 sounds a bit better and, at least to me, barely distinguishable from G.711.
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ieee1394
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Washington
·TowerStream
| Well, I hope they add the option to use g.711. While g.729 saves bandwidth, the problem is you can't undo compression. Why is this bad? I'm finding that calls from either my Broadvox lines or my Vonage line are distorted when they're set at g.729 and I call a GSM cell phone, which I think recompresses the already compressed signal. | |
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| jgwilliams
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join:2003-09-16
Chesterland, OH
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| Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join the VoIP Fray You are close. G.729 is uncompressed (any compression for that matter) at the gateway, prior to hitting the PSTN. Then, your call makes it to the cellular phone that compresses it again, and again taking away some of the bandwidth.
To address your statement, yes; adjusting the CODEC in which you use as well as many other features will be available on the portal.
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| | ieee1394
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Washington
·TowerStream
| Re: [Broadvox Direct] Broadvox and BroadVoice join the VoIP Fray said by jgwilliams :
You are close. G.729 is uncompressed (any compression for that matter) at the gateway, prior to hitting the PSTN. Then, your call makes it to the cellular phone that compresses it again, and again taking away some of the bandwidth.
The problem being that each time it's compressed the sound degenerates by a factor because the codecs are lossy compression.
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To address your statement, yes; adjusting the CODEC in which you use as well as many other features will be available on the portal.
That will be awesome. Just hope my broadband is up to it. Adelphia isn't that great around here and all my past attempts at using g.711 with this ISP have turned out rather badly.  | |
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nsumner
join:2001-12-13
Israel
| I also only have 128 up so this is really very important to me. Actually if I recall correctly officialy I only have 96K up but strangely enough the telephone company here actually gives you for a 750/96 connection 1000/128 so that you actually achive advertised speeds. I exceed the advertised speeds . Still using Broadvoice with a conference call would not work, most of the VOIP providers make the conference call at their switch so I still only have a single data stream. I am suprised broadvoice does this the other way around. | |
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