shaner
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We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line. |
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Psychephylax
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We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
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shaner
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Calgary, AB | Oh, I see. I forgot the US has DSL deployment issues. |
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500 miles is a long ass way compared to DSL. I am 12,500 feet (over 2 miles) and I can only get basic DSL package. If I was 18,000 feet or over, I would only qualify for speeds that were right around the same as this BPL.
I do see your point though, but 500 miles is quite far in comparison to DSL. DSL does seem to have them beat on throughput for now though.
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I would suggest you check out the new DSLAM equipment being used by Qwest for their DSL deployment. »www.adtran.com I suspect this deployment is a, Look see we are deploying in the rural area, but they know in house they can't make any money out in the sticks they still need to muscle their way into urban markets to do this.
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said by shaner :
Oh, I see. I forgot the US has DSL deployment issues.
What the hell does that suppose to mean? you think dsl is in every single spot of canada? dont think so.
Well... canada has cable development problems 
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said by shaner :
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
Shaner, you know that it isnt 256/256, its 128/64, and its not unlimited, its has a 2GB cap with $8 per gig after. 
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shaner
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| Well, more like 128/128. But yeah, there is a cap. I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?
I wasn't trying to slag the US in terms of DSL deployment. It's just surprising that a country as heavily populated and industrialised has problems getting DSL service. FYI, there are a lot of smaller rural communities here in Canada that get 3 meg DSL service. And I mean small. |
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said by Psychephylax :
BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
That would not be possible without a string of repeaters... But it is impressive if comparing only range.
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said by shaner :
Well, more like 128/128. But yeah, there is a cap. I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?
I wasn't trying to slag the US in terms of DSL deployment. It's just surprising that a country as heavily populated and industrialised has problems getting DSL service. FYI, there are a lot of smaller rural communities here in Canada that get 3 meg DSL service. And I mean small.
yep...the US has big problems w/ dsl deployment....which is why i switched to cable.
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said by Psychephylax :
said by shaner :
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
The native range of BPL is not 500 miles, so you can't compare this figure to the range of DSL. BPL's range is around 200 meters without repeaters.
For BPL to cover 500 miles, you need the BPL equivalent of a DSLAM every 200 meters (a feedpoint), or repeaters in combination with a feedpoint.
From a technical standpoint, BPL is technically inferior to DSL and cable. |
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| said by rf_engineer :
said by Psychephylax :
said by shaner :
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
The native range of BPL is not 500 miles, so you can't compare this figure to the range of DSL. BPL's range is around 200 meters without repeaters.
For BPL to cover 500 miles, you need the BPL equivalent of a DSLAM every 200 meters (a feedpoint), or repeaters in combination with a feedpoint.
From a technical standpoint, BPL is technically inferior to DSL and cable.
Do you have any links to the actual native range of BPL? Someone say 500 miles, you say 200 meters. I would like to read more about it. So far I haven't found any information on the actual range.
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| I think that I read somewhere that degradable range on the native lines was in the 400 meters or just about 1300 feet -range without repeaters or additional amplifications. And extended coverages where an estimated 500 miles of line coverage (500 miles of actual line not a 500 mile range) Or about 4 times the basic DSL coverage cable lengths. I am not sure if this are true. Does anyone have a link to some specs? |
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rf_engineer
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said by Nightfall :
said by rf_engineer :
said by Psychephylax :
said by shaner :
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
The native range of BPL is not 500 miles, so you can't compare this figure to the range of DSL. BPL's range is around 200 meters without repeaters.
For BPL to cover 500 miles, you need the BPL equivalent of a DSLAM every 200 meters (a feedpoint), or repeaters in combination with a feedpoint.
From a technical standpoint, BPL is technically inferior to DSL and cable.
Do you have any links to the actual native range of BPL? Someone say 500 miles, you say 200 meters. I would like to read more about it. So far I haven't found any information on the actual range.
I think the 500 mile figure came from the article and it actually means they're going to light up 500 miles of line.
BPL uses radio energy on an unshielded medium, power lines. Unlike copper twisted pair (phone lines and DSL) or coaxial cable (Cable Modem), it severely attenuates and radiates radio signals on the line. So due to physics it can't carry the signal far without regeneration using repeaters.
I have yet to see a BPL equipment vendor publish their exact distances on the web, but some good information can be gleaned from the FCC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking comment filings »www.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/hyperlinks.html . An Ambient system in my area uses feedpoints every 100 yards or so. The exact distances are going to vary between vendors, but it's no where near 500 miles. If the same logic were applied to cable and DSL, all of Antarctica could have broadband next week  |
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said by shaner :
I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?
They do.. I could get this here(if I actually had a POTS line)
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The reason DSL "lite" or cable "lite" services are not deployed in the US is money. When a lite service is deployed most people take that service. For example, when someone calls to sign up for cable chances are they will choose the cheapest package. 99% of all signups when there is a tiered service go for the cheapest. |
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Wow, Canada ownz... |
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There are still quite a lot of areas in Ontario that don't have any form of broadband (DSL or Cable). I think hell will freeze over before they get dsl in White River, Ontario |
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shaner
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said by Dragasoni :
You forgot to mention that Candian's can drive either! You all drive slow in the left lane down here in Florida, and annoy me to hell.
I'll take our "DSL deployment issues" and you take a driving course!
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