RFJock
join:2004-01-13
Norfolk, VA | reply to Nick
Re: Fantastic!
Lets see....
500 miles
That's 2,640,000 feet
1 repeater every 1000 feet
at about $750.00 each
that's just short of 2 million bucks
2 million bucks worth of fiber would go a loooong way. |
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shaner
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Calgary, AB | reply to Hayward
Yeah, within 200 miles of the border. With only 30 million people. The DC to Boston corridor has that many people. But I do understand what you're saying. |
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Hayward
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said by shaner  :
Oh, I see. I forgot the US has DSL deployment issues.
Well if you Canadians ever decided to move more than 5 miles from the US border and populate the Great White North so would you. 
I know a SLIGHT exaggeration, but 90% of the Canadian population is concentrated along the US border and coastlines.
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SumDumGuy
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said by shaner :
said by Dragasoni :
You forgot to mention that Candian's can drive either! You all drive slow in the left lane down here in Florida, and annoy me to hell.
I'll take our "DSL deployment issues" and you take a driving course! 
-Dragasoni-
Hahahha!! Those are the old ones we set adrift to die.  In the old days, we used ice floes. Today, we use Crown Victorias, Impalas, and Caddys'.
LMFAO!!!!
Seriously though, BPL is in its infancy, if they can get it depployed into more rural areas it'd be a big boon for the carriers and possibly get the Telcos to speed deployment as well as whip the Cable companies into shape.
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shaner
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Calgary, AB
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said by en102 :
There are still quite a lot of areas in Ontario that don't have any form of broadband (DSL or Cable). I think hell will freeze over before they get dsl in White River, Ontario
Haha!! The brithplace of the true Winnie the Pooh!
White River is only a hop north of Thunder Bay. It's not out of the question DSL may be available there down the road. At the very least, Thunder Bay is the first municipality in Canada to attempt the whole BPL thing on a large scale. |
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shaner
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Calgary, AB
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said by Dragasoni :
You forgot to mention that Candian's can drive either! You all drive slow in the left lane down here in Florida, and annoy me to hell.
I'll take our "DSL deployment issues" and you take a driving course!
-Dragasoni-
Hahahha!! Those are the old ones we set adrift to die. In the old days, we used ice floes. Today, we use Crown Victorias, Impalas, and Caddys'. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to shaner
There are still quite a lot of areas in Ontario that don't have any form of broadband (DSL or Cable). I think hell will freeze over before they get dsl in White River, Ontario |
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Dragasoni
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Rotonda West, FL
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You forgot to mention that Candian's can drive either! You all drive slow in the left lane down here in Florida, and annoy me to hell.
I'll take our "DSL deployment issues" and you take a driving course!
-Dragasoni-
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IGotThePower
Samsung Sucks
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Japan Inc. | reply to shaner
Wow, Canada ownz... |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
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The reason DSL "lite" or cable "lite" services are not deployed in the US is money. When a lite service is deployed most people take that service. For example, when someone calls to sign up for cable chances are they will choose the cheapest package. 99% of all signups when there is a tiered service go for the cheapest. |
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digiblur
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join:2002-06-03
Louisiana
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said by shaner :
I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?
They do.. I could get this here(if I actually had a POTS line)
For $29.95 a month:
* Up to 256Kbps downstream X 128Kbps upstream
* Dynamic IP, Static IP upgrade available
* 1 back-up dial account
* 5 mailboxes per account*
* 10MB storage per mailbox
* 10MB personal Web space |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
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said by Nightfall :
said by rf_engineer :
said by Nick :
said by shaner :
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
The native range of BPL is not 500 miles, so you can't compare this figure to the range of DSL. BPL's range is around 200 meters without repeaters.
For BPL to cover 500 miles, you need the BPL equivalent of a DSLAM every 200 meters (a feedpoint), or repeaters in combination with a feedpoint.
From a technical standpoint, BPL is technically inferior to DSL and cable.
Do you have any links to the actual native range of BPL? Someone say 500 miles, you say 200 meters. I would like to read more about it. So far I haven't found any information on the actual range.
I think the 500 mile figure came from the article and it actually means they're going to light up 500 miles of line.
BPL uses radio energy on an unshielded medium, power lines. Unlike copper twisted pair (phone lines and DSL) or coaxial cable (Cable Modem), it severely attenuates and radiates radio signals on the line. So due to physics it can't carry the signal far without regeneration using repeaters.
I have yet to see a BPL equipment vendor publish their exact distances on the web, but some good information can be gleaned from the FCC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking comment filings »www.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/hyperlinks.html . An Ambient system in my area uses feedpoints every 100 yards or so. The exact distances are going to vary between vendors, but it's no where near 500 miles. If the same logic were applied to cable and DSL, all of Antarctica could have broadband next week |
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gotnocable
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I think that I read somewhere that degradable range on the native lines was in the 400 meters or just about 1300 feet -range without repeaters or additional amplifications. And extended coverages where an estimated 500 miles of line coverage (500 miles of actual line not a 500 mile range) Or about 4 times the basic DSL coverage cable lengths. I am not sure if this are true. Does anyone have a link to some specs? |
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Nightfall
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Grand Rapids, MI
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| reply to rf_engineer
said by rf_engineer :
said by Nick :
said by shaner :
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
The native range of BPL is not 500 miles, so you can't compare this figure to the range of DSL. BPL's range is around 200 meters without repeaters.
For BPL to cover 500 miles, you need the BPL equivalent of a DSLAM every 200 meters (a feedpoint), or repeaters in combination with a feedpoint.
From a technical standpoint, BPL is technically inferior to DSL and cable.
Do you have any links to the actual native range of BPL? Someone say 500 miles, you say 200 meters. I would like to read more about it. So far I haven't found any information on the actual range.
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| reply to Nick
said by Nick :
said by shaner :
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
The native range of BPL is not 500 miles, so you can't compare this figure to the range of DSL. BPL's range is around 200 meters without repeaters.
For BPL to cover 500 miles, you need the BPL equivalent of a DSLAM every 200 meters (a feedpoint), or repeaters in combination with a feedpoint.
From a technical standpoint, BPL is technically inferior to DSL and cable. |
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stateq2
J Dilla
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Jackson, MS
| reply to shaner
said by shaner :
Well, more like 128/128. But yeah, there is a cap. I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?
I wasn't trying to slag the US in terms of DSL deployment. It's just surprising that a country as heavily populated and industrialised has problems getting DSL service. FYI, there are a lot of smaller rural communities here in Canada that get 3 meg DSL service. And I mean small.
yep...the US has big problems w/ dsl deployment....which is why i switched to cable.
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The Folsom
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Yucaipa, CA
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| reply to Nick
said by Nick :
BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
That would not be possible without a string of repeaters... But it is impressive if comparing only range.
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shaner
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Calgary, AB
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Well, more like 128/128. But yeah, there is a cap. I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?
I wasn't trying to slag the US in terms of DSL deployment. It's just surprising that a country as heavily populated and industrialised has problems getting DSL service. FYI, there are a lot of smaller rural communities here in Canada that get 3 meg DSL service. And I mean small. |
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HiVolt
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said by shaner :
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
Shaner, you know that it isnt 256/256, its 128/64, and its not unlimited, its has a 2GB cap with $8 per gig after.
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Vamp
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| reply to shaner
said by shaner :
Oh, I see. I forgot the US has DSL deployment issues.
What the hell does that suppose to mean? you think dsl is in every single spot of canada? dont think so.
Well... canada has cable development problems 
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