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bmn
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| Things are just getting out of hand...
Its become harder and harder to find someplace or method, electronic or otherwise, by which one can communicate without having to worry about being listened to...
The truth is that I don't really do anything (yet, you never know what will happen tomorrow) that would garner the attention of the spooks at the NSA or the FBI, but the fact that they want the power to listen on anyone and everyone scares me a lot more than the fact that some terrorists might walk in and detonate themselves...
Remember, having the ability to listen and then doing it aren't that far apart. The legislature seems willing to sign over our rights under the guise of "protectionism" on a whim...
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NoProxy
join:2002-01-04
| said by bmn  :
Its become harder and harder to find someplace or method, electronic or otherwise, by which one can communicate without having to worry about being listened to...
The truth is that I don't really do anything (yet, you never know what will happen tomorrow) that would garner the attention of the spooks at the NSA or the FBI, but the fact that they want the power to listen on anyone and everyone scares me a lot more than the fact that some terrorists might walk in and detonate themselves...
Remember, having the ability to listen and then doing it aren't that far apart. The legislature seems willing to sign over our rights under the guise of "protectionism" on a whim...
Agreed, hey I love your avatar, that says it all. Republican or Democrat makes little difference, we are all given the choices to make, we don't really make any choices.
We should all vote none of the above until we get a real choice. The higher levels of power/money feel it's best to run all sides and make the decisions for us as we fight amongst ourselves over politics or sports.
I think the headlines are meaningless, we are already being monitored without our knowledge and have been for some time, The scary thing is now they want you to know that there watching you. So when we all say this is not right, the average person just says yeah I heard this on the news but it's just to protect us. So now it's all out in the open and seems less threatening or spooky to the average person.
But in reality we are slowing being turned in to the governments children to watch and hold our hands, and protect us from the boogie man with our own money! | |
DaDogs
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4 edits | reply to bmn
Aye, indeed. They do seem willing to sign away those protections to easily. I don't worry to much about any of the agencies, even DoD. The greatest protection Americans have are other Americans. Just as the greatest liability we have are other Americans. What I mean by that is simple really. I don't fear the government rising up and crushing the people because the government is the people. I'm not saying that the system doesn't show a lot of corruption. I am saying that the strength of the system is to be found in the rank and file not in the management. I don't fear the actions of government, and I won't until I loose faith in the average American.
I've seen people tasked with "listening" say, "I don't hear anything.", when I knew full well they did hear something and I've seen four federal agents from four different agencies listening to a tape I was playing back for them lie about the sentence they heard, even after I got each of them in turn to agree upon each word in the sentence. They lied because they didn't want their agency to be the one that said what we were listening to was true.
I don't fear NSA or the intelligence agencies generally because I personally have burned tape that had information on it in defiance of a man from an LEA who was threatening to get a court order for it. It wasn't his to have. It wasn't in the agreement. It was not my job to gather evidence. It was my job to gather intelligence. There is a big distinction there. I expect that there are young American's who still are required to make that distinction every day and I believe they will choose freedom every time because they are very bright. They know their history. Indeed, they know who shot John.
Mind you I also believe that it is inevitable that one or another fanatic will manage to get a nuke, chemical, or bio weapon into this country and make the Trade Towers look like a pop bottle rocket, but I was working counter-narcotics/counter-terrorism a very long time ago. I've watched the threat grow since 'Pak Chung He' was assassinated. We are fighting an asymmetric war. The enemy is tiny and we are huge. We could crush him if we could find him, but finding him is becoming very, very difficult.
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The biggest mistake that John Kennedy made, was NOT the Bay of Pigs. It was firing J. Edgar Hoover.
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