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Re: Bertuzzi the coward I agree in that he didn't mean to kill him but it was still intentional. |
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 AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
kudos:3 | reply to Pughball
"Tempers flare when your competing at such high levels??
What kind of dribble is that?
Morons with shit for brains, lose control overthemselves. Unfortunately there is a segment of society that is blinded by the glorification of the sport such that they will go to great lengths to justify the actions of their hero's.
I can only agree with your final statement, that is if one wants to see the highest level of skill, training, discipline, perfection, entertainment, strength, agility, and self-control etc..... the ballet is a great option.
Oh yeah, Im the cwazee guy, with an agenda for non-violence 
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 34140721Small Block Chevys Never Die..Premium
join:2003-03-25 | reply to Dark Shoes
said by Dark Shoes:
What Bertuzzi did doesn't compare to race car driving or boxing. Accidents happen in those other sports like when Greg Moore was killed in that CART race. No one intentionally killed Greg Moore though, it was an accident. What Bertuzzi did was totally different. It was intentional and no accident.
So you are claiming that Bertuzzi intentionally broke Moore's neck ? If he had no intention in breaking his neck, it was an accident...
Bertuzzi's intention was probably only to duke it out with him... IMHO he was attempting to swing him around to land one on his chin...
I do not believe for one moment Bertuzzi was thinking all day before the game how he was going to break Moore's neck... He probably was thinking about how he was going to clean his clock...
This was no more as vicious as the Ted Green-Wayne Maki inncident...
How is the death of Dale Earnhardt more acceptable then the Bertuzzi-Moore incident ? And IF you think Bertuzzi intentionally meant harm to Moore, how is that different then the Cleveland Denny death ? I'm sure Gaetan Hart had the intention to knock him out...
Your argument "None of those sports have anything to do with hockey or Todd Bertuzzi."... is pretty weak as many are lamenting if what Bertuzzi did happened on the street he would be in jail... SO if you can not compare hockey to other sports, you can not compare it to the steet... (not my argument, but what I believe is yours...)!
I'm no fan of Bertuzzi. As you may know I've been a loyal Blues fan since 1968... Bertuzzi knocked Al MacInnis out last year and Barrett Jackman this year. What Bertuzzi gets for a sentence he deserves...
This was an unfortunate event... I do not approve of the violence... BUT I would rather have my son to grow up and play in the NHL under it's present rules then to drive in Indy, be a prize fighter or an horse jockey.... |
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 PughballPremium
join:2002-07-04
Chatham, ON | reply to Anav
Your inflammatory comments aren't going to work on me. Just because you don't like sports doesn't mean that I can't. I'm sure that you've never gotten angry before in your life.
"Unfortunately there is a segment of society that is blinded by the glorification of the sport such that they will go to great lengths to justify the actions of their hero's."
I'm not sure if this was directed at me but because it's in response to me I'll assume so. I'm not trying to justify actions, what he did was wrong, plain and simple, I don't condone a cheapshot like that in any way shape or form. They should have gone toe to toe as a form of retribution for an injured captain. Of course, I'm just a moron with shit for brains because I watch hockey and am not completely appaled by the fact that there is violence in it.
I suppose all our elite athletes(in the NFL,NBA,MLB and NHL) are MORONS as well. I don't know where your logic is coming from but just because someone snaps doesn't mean they're savages, nor does it mean they lack willpower or intelligence.
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said by 34140721:
So you are claiming that Bertuzzi intentionally broke Moore's neck ?
Where did I say that? said by 34140721:
If he had no intention in breaking his neck, it was an accident...
Right, it was all just an accident. 
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 Karebear2006 Is Love A Canadian YearPremium
join:2001-11-07
Oakville, ON | reply to jmacd27
Update: Moore suffers no serious damage, and no nerve damage on spine. Is expected to start walking tonight, be shipped to Denver on Friday. Suffering from slight Concussion symptoms.
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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kudos:3 | reply to Dark Shoes
No Dark shoes, chasing him all around the rink was the accident part. Being taken over by an alien he had even less control over...... when the alien being moved my arm in an arc causing my gloved hand to strike in the side of the head was a weirdest like out of body experience.
Now I don't like sports?? LMAO!!
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 shanerPremium
join:2000-10-04
Calgary, AB | reply to 34140721
said by 34140721:
This was an unfortunate event... I do not approve of the violence... BUT I would rather have my son to grow up and play in the NHL under it's present rules then to drive in Indy, be a prize fighter or an horse jockey....
Ok KENMO, listen up. Once and for all. Whenever a driver gets in a race car, whenever a jockey saddles up, whenever a boxer steps into the ring, there is always the risk that that athelete will die. They know that risk when they take up those particular sprorts. Something could go terribly wrong with the task at hand because those particular tasks are inherently dangerous. It's understood. Hockey is a physical sport. Hockey can be a rough sport. What it is not, however, is inherently dangerous all by itself. Driving a car at 200MPH is dangerous. Riding a 1000lb animal in a small area at full speed with 15 other 1000lb animals is dangerous. Standing toe to toe with another muscular human being and trading punches with him is dangerous. Taking a bodycheck as you attempt to slide a piece of rubber accross a frozen ice sheet into a little net is not dangerous. Can you be injured? Yes. Are the consequences of those injuries crippling or even life threatening? Not one bit unless somebody else goes outside the parameters of the hockey game to make sure injuries are crippling and life threatening. Got it? Steve Moore did not choose to engage in a life threatening situation. He chose to play a game of hockey. Todd Bertuzzi chose to try and end that for him. For that, there are criminal implications.
Now, you're saying that there should also be charges brought up in other sports in which combatants died or injured severly. Let me make this clear for you; your other examples have nothing in common with Bertuzzi's vicious attack. Read the following very carefully please.
If Gaetan Hart had lined his gloves with iron rebar in order to hurt Cleveland Denny more, then Hart would be in prison today. Because he would have gone outside of the parameters of the sport to inflict an unusual amount of pain and suffering against an opponent.
If Dale Jarret had turned his 88 car into Earnhardts and t-boned him into the wall on purpose, Jarret would be in jail today. Because he would have gone outside of the parameters of the sport to inflict an unusual amount of pain and suffering against an opponent.
If Alex Tagliani had intentionally lined up ALex Zanardis' car at the end of pit row and used it as a missle thereby severing Zanardis legs, Tagliani would be in jail today.
Bertuzzi went out of his way to hunt down and inflict as much damage as he could on Steve Moore. As they say in all the cop shows, he had motive, means, and opportunity.
And as for all this 'Bertuzzi didn't mean to do it' nonsense, well tough sh!t. How many drunk drivers come up with that lame excuse?
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 dennilfloss Liberal And Loving ItPremium
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Ottawa, ON | reply to jmacd27
Someone on AnandTech mentioned this:
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eggshell skull doctrine - a legal doctrine that says that someone is responsible for ALL results that occur from an intentional act, even if it turns out the the victim result was due to his or her excessive sensitivity. In other words, if you punch a guy in the face, and his timidity results in a heart attack, you are responsible.
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Re: Bertuzzi the coward said by CKY:
It's simple really. Suspend Bertuzzi for the rest of the season + playoffs.
....& all of next season also. Then he should serve a couple of years at the "gray bar" hotel & also pay a 10 million dollar fine. |
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34140721Small Block Chevys Never Die..Premium
join:2003-03-25 | reply to shaner
Shaner... I agree 100% with your post...BUT I guess you did not understand my point...
I realize those engaging in racing or boxing are full aware of the risks... BUT that wasn't my point...
MY point is from society's perspective and NOT the players...
WHY does society NOT get upset about sports like auto racing, boxing, horse racing, college football, bull fighting ? Why are death's in these sports acceptable to society ? WHY is there no cry to ban these sports ? OR to clean them up...
SO if I were to hold full contact fencing with no protection and two people agreed to duel until one was maimed or killed, that would be OK ?
Whenever some "mishap" happens in hockey, it's like it is the end of the world. YET we (society) are silent about the violence in other sports....
I find this very disturbing.... |
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
kudos:3 | reply to shaner
Well put Shaner, but it should be obvious by now that your not dealing with rationale beings but hockey zealots, who glorify the sport past boundaries of common sense and normal standards of humanity. They are dinosaurs, that will eventually fade away in obscurity, due to their inability to realize that we live in a changing world, where although poignant to remember the broad street bullies, its not relevant (other than to note the progress that has been made and how much more work is left to do to clean up the sport).
They will be in their wheelchairs 40 years from now, taking out their eddie shack teeth at night, "do you remember that bertuzzi fellow, man he clocked him real good, yeah that other dude got what he deserved for running away".... yeah, those were the good ole days!!
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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Dartmouth, NS
kudos:3 | reply to 34140721
BS Kenmo, your using deflection, a common tactic. Your cheesed that people are pissing on your hockey cornflakes so your trying to divert attention to other areas.... Won't work buddy. Forget the other sports, we do not need them to make our arguments. So stop dragging them into the conversation, this isnt about stock car racing.
Yeah I think your full of it.....
Bull fighting??? How many bull fights have you seen in Canada? In the US? Frig I remember reading somewhere that the Calgary Stampede has been protested against for the cruelty to animals in some of the events......
Full contact fencing to the death???? Where did that come from, where is the relevance. Its illegal to do that with cocks and pitbulls!!
Each post gets more outlandish and absurd.... stop while your only a few hundred yards behind.
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shanerPremium
join:2000-10-04
Calgary, AB | reply to 34140721
said by 34140721:
WHY does society NOT get upset about sports like auto racing, boxing, horse racing, college football, bull fighting ? Why are death's in these sports acceptable to society ? WHY is there no cry to ban these sports ? OR to clean them up...
Because KENMO, society has accepted the risks in those sports and the willingness of the participants to take those risks. Oh, and BTW, nice try at slipping a new in there like college football. Last I checked, there has been a public outcry for years to clean up boxing and horse racing. Most people are protesting with their money by not participating as spectators. Auto racing has done a very good job in making sure that every single mechanical precaustion is being taken to protect the drivers.
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34140721Small Block Chevys Never Die..Premium
join:2003-03-25
2 edits | As I've posted before BUT seems to be completely ignored...
Quote - »www.sportslawnews.com/archive/hi···HT2.html
In Regina v. Green the court acquitted Green. The judge noted that violent activities occur hundreds of time in a season and that the players are prepared for this kind of activity when they skate. The nature of the game makes this activity a natural consequence , even though the acts would be assaults in other walks of life. In Regina v. Maki, the court focused on the issue of "consent."
By the way... I do not agree with the above ruling. Maki & Green should have been charged and serving time...
It appears some believe when you step onto the ice you should be prepared for this type of activity (just like the boxing ring or race track - my point). Again I disagree... and please remember this was a judge's decision and not my opinion...
The Bertuzzi-Moore incident pales by comparison to the Ted Green-Wayne Maki "duel". It was probably the most disgusting thing to ever happen i hockey...(IMHO)... |
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Maybe you guys should take it outside--hmm?
I watched the footage and another few fights and the real reason these occur regularly is not on the ice--it's the reactions of the spectators in the stands. I'm sure all the people that were out of their seats and up against the glassdidnt really want to see a fight--did they? |
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shanerPremium
join:2000-10-04
Calgary, AB | reply to 34140721
The Ted Green/Wayne Maki incident also occurred in 1969. Social mores and tolerance for that type of incidents has changed since then. |
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34140721Small Block Chevys Never Die..Premium
join:2003-03-25 | said by shaner:
The Ted Green/Wayne Maki incident also occurred in 1969. Social mores and tolerance for that type of incidents has changed since then.
Shaner...the following response is not meant to challenge you ... it is what it is, an honest question...
BUT were are dealing with a court decision. When courts or judges look for something that is precedence setting, do they take into account the era the decision was made ?
I really do not know...
I was born in the '50's and yes society's values and tolerance has changed but not as dramatic as you seem to believe (IMHO).... |
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