GeminiCub4U
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Livermore, CA | Are they even able to do that?
That isn't legal, is it? |
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Camelot One
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| I was just wondering the same thing. I thought uploading/sharing protected work was a copyright violation, but not downloading.
I know the laws for software are a little different than they are for music, but it seems like I remember something about 24 hour educational evaluations being legal, so long as you delete the material after that time. I remember that from long ago though, can't say for sure it is even true.
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NewLife
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Yes they can do that because of the simple fact that downloading their code is not legal. Its proprietary, copyrighted code that has been illegally leaked to the internet and downloading it is illegal to.
But if I was M$ I would definitely step back and take a look at not only the security of my software but the overall security of my organization. I mean this leak, no mater how big or little the amount of code, has put all users in jeopardy including the security of our country.
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Camelot One
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| said by NewLife  :
Yes they can do that because of the simple fact that downloading their code is not legal. Its proprietary, copyrighted code that has been illegally leaked to the internet and downloading it is illegal to.
Do you by change have any links to the laws on this? I thought the issue of illegally shared material applied specifically to video's protected under a law written just for that purpose. Using your thinking, downloading music would be a crime, and we all know it isn't.
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Krispy
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said by gnotella_luvr:
I mean this leak, no mater how big or little the amount of code, has put all users in jeopardy including the security of our country.
Guess it depends on how you look it...it could be argued that it will actually make it safer as more eyes looking for more holes will prompt MS to fix bugs faster.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other I guess. |
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NewLife
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said by Camelot One :
Do you by change have any links to the laws on this? I thought the issue of illegally shared material applied specifically to video's protected under a law written just for that purpose. Using your thinking, downloading music would be a crime, and we all know it isn't.
No I do not have any links concerning this but with the FBI involved looking for who leaked the code and things of that nature I would definitely be thankful that MS is warning users. I bet that somewhere in the great book of laws there is a law that covers this type of thing but its probably buried under alot of dust.
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said by Camelot One :
Using your thinking, downloading music would be a crime, and we all know it isn't.
LOL
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Jacek
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I don't think so.
First: the message says "aroud the world" which already assumes, that all countries have the same law. That is of course nonsense as DVD Jon already proved. I wouldn't be surprised if North Korea would ignore US copyright.
Second: copryighted doesn't mean secret. Copyrighted means, one cannot use the software without license. I don't think it prevents reading the code. If this would be the case, it would make illegal to read fragments of the book in a bookstore before buying one.
JM |
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Logan 5
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| reply to NewLife
said by NewLife :
I mean this leak, no mater how big or little the amount of code, has put all users in jeopardy including the security of our country.
WOW!! I think we have a record here....Only 3 posts in to a discussion about MS's leaked code and we have the first "doomsday" post that we're all gonna die and our Computers get a pox because a majority of the IE6 codebase was leaked. 
People should be far more worried about publically unmentioned O/S exploits that (almost quietly) go 200+ days before being patched than some more examples of leaky code in Internet Exploder. |
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Jason Levine
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said by Camelot One :
I was just wondering the same thing. I thought uploading/sharing protected work was a copyright violation, but not downloading.
Downloading is a copyright violation as well (at least in the USA, YMMV in other countries). It's simply harder to find out whether you've downloaded something you shouldn't (such as a copyrighted music file) versus uploaded something you shouldn't.
said by Camelot One :
I know the laws for software are a little different than they are for music, but it seems like I remember something about 24 hour educational evaluations being legal, so long as you delete the material after that time. I remember that from long ago though, can't say for sure it is even true.
The "24 hour rule" is a myth created by folks attempting to justify downloading music and other items. (You see this all the time on ROM download sites. They all state that you can download it so long as you delete it after 24 hours.) There is no basis to this in law. It falls into the category of "say it often enough and folks will think it's true."
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Jason Levine
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said by Camelot One :
Using your thinking, downloading music would be a crime, and we all know it isn't.
Downloading music is a crime. It's just a lot harder to prove that you downloaded music than it is to prove that you uploaded music. (And it's next to impossible to tell that you downloaded more than one music file.) That's why the RIAA is going after uploaders. (Plus, if they take out/scare away enough uploaders, there won't be anything for the downloaders to download.)
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tomkb
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said by Jacek:
I don't think so.
Second: copryighted doesn't mean secret. Copyrighted means, one cannot use the software without license. I don't think it prevents reading the code. If this would be the case, it would make illegal to read fragments of the book in a bookstore before buying one.
JM
That's an interesting way to look at it. |
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kapil
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| reply to NewLife
Yes, Yes, Mr. Ashcroft, everything has to do with the security of our country...I'm surprised you didn't blame the leak on terrorists. You're an idiot if you think our country is at risk because Microsoft's corporate security sucks.
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Karl Bode
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I've been seeing that silly 24 hour warning since the days of Wildcat! BBS systems.... |
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Logan 5
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|  said by Karl Bode :
I've been seeing that silly 24 hour warning since the days of Wildcat! BBS systems....
Now THAT's a blast fro the past. 
Mustang Systems..wonder what ever became of them??? I used to have a BBS running their software in the 80's until I got too popular and ran up the family phone bill for the 2nd line...LOL
Thanks for the trip down memory lane Karl....:) |
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Camelot One
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said by Jason Levine :
Downloading is a copyright violation as well (at least in the USA, YMMV in other countries). It's simply harder to find out whether you've downloaded something you shouldn't (such as a copyrighted music file) versus uploaded something you shouldn't.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, but do you have any links to proof of this in law? It is getting harder and harder to tell legal fact from opinion on the boards.
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djrobsd
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Let's not forget the T.A.G. BBS system. One of the best ones in its days. I forget all the other crazy ones that were out there, but there were definately a lot of hacks of some of the more original one, and T.A.G. was one very good hack. I forget which system it was based off of, but I sure do miss running my T.A.G. BBS. |
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anomus
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Thats for sure, I am tired of this monopoly pumping out crappy code they EXPECT me to pay for. Then I get attacked by viri, worms, popups, spam, spyware, all exploiting holes in their crappy code they ignored till it was too late. Then when then the Gov steps in and finally acts like they are going to come down on this monopoly, they use a portion of their billions in cash to stall the legal system till a new pres is elected that they contributed millions in campain contributions. As then expected, convictions are minimised and cut down and essentially shoed away to a slap on the wrist. Getting that code really doesnt amount to much but its about time we got a peek at the headache weve had to live with for decades. Any new exploits discovered now are going to get a whole new perspective and judgement, from the people. Lets face it, this is the most battle tested os there is and it has lost so many wars that it will never be used to control a spacecraft. When a monopoly is amook the people get stuck with the crap. |
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Sarick
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said by Jason Levine :
Downloading music is a crime. It's just a lot harder to prove that you downloaded music than it is to prove that you uploaded music. (And it's next to impossible to tell that you downloaded more than one music file.) That's why the RIAA is going after uploaders. (Plus, if they take out/scare away enough uploaders, there won't be anything for the downloaders to download.)
Downloading music IS NOT A CRIME..
WHY..
Downloading Copyrighted music without a license is ILLEGAL.
I download music all the time, I don't mean copyrighted stuff but public music like those offered to the public FREE.
Also it's not illegal to download from Napster, if you pay $0.99..
Downloading isn't illegal its only illegal if what your downloading is restricted by law.
In some areas of the world there are different or no restrictions placed on a copyright.
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Camelot One
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| Well and again we've gone WAY off topic, from Microsoft back to the RIAA. For the last time, downloading music, even copyrighted music, IS NOT A CRIME! It is not illegal, it is not punishable by death, or any of the other RIAA propaganda. Distributing copyrighted music is a violation of copyright law, punishable in a civil court.
Feel free to prove me wrong by posting a US law that says otherwise.
But back to the topic, does anyone have any legal fact showing it is against the law to download Microsoft's leaked source code? Download- not upload, distrubute, make public, or in any other way share, but that downloading it is a CRIME?
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