[Equipment] My solution for in QOS for VOIP - VOIP Tech Chat

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daphney85 join:2003-12-04 West Chicago, IL	reply to daphney85 Re: [Equipment] My solution for in QOS for VOIP DOH! Well, if I could only read - I mixed up UL and DL values and no wonder it was not doing what I wanted. After I corrected my mistake, I tested it and it works as advertised. I later changed the DL and UL values to 0 to see what happens as another person wrote and actually it seems to allow higher bandwidth when not on using my VOIP. When on my VOIP, it was clear with no choppiness when I was uploading a monster email. My only suggestion would be to add ports 443 (https) and 80 (http) to the list of low priority. Thanks to digiblur for his instructions.
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digiblur Got Sipura? Premium join:2002-06-03 Louisiana	said by daphney85: DOH! Well, if I could only read - I mixed up UL and DL values and no wonder it was not doing what I wanted. After I corrected my mistake, I tested it and it works as advertised. I later changed the DL and UL values to 0 to see what happens as another person wrote and actually it seems to allow higher bandwidth when not on using my VOIP. When on my VOIP, it was clear with no choppiness when I was uploading a monster email. My only suggestion would be to add ports 443 (https) and 80 (http) to the list of low priority. Thanks to digiblur for his instructions. Great that you got it going... I thought about adding 443 and 80 but downloading usually doesn't kill me on my VOIP. Its the uploading of things. And I don't do any extreme downloading via HTTP of HTTPS, I might download a 3-4 megabyte install package every so often...and that doesn't take long at 3 megabit. You don't necessarily have to follow my instructions on speeds and/or ports to the 'T' either Change the ports to whichever ones fit you and the applications you use. Also Try a little bigger numbers like 2900 downlink and 250 upload. I just stuck with the 2800/228 because it gave me a good bit of breathing room incase my ISP was not delivering the full 3000/256. Use whichever numbers work for you. The real test is to log on to say an FTP server and start uploading a large file (I used my free webspace from my ISP) and get on the phone. See the results of the call. Disable the bandwidth management and reboot the router. Now start the upload again and get on the phone. See the difference? Don't forget to put it back like it was and reboot the router.
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digiblur Got Sipura? Premium join:2002-06-03 Louisiana	reply to The Beer said by The Beer: Just wondering who else does the firmware for these? Is Seasoft (Not saying they are bad) the only ones doing this? The QOS is nice however what I really want is a IPSEC Server like the BEFVP41. Look closer Here is a list of Sveasoft features added to the standard Linksys build - Web Interface Setup Default gateway for LAN ports Advanced Routing OSPF Routing Wireless Power mode selection Antenna selection Client mode (Ethernet bridging) Client mode gateway WDS peer-to-peer mesh networking Applications & Gaming Modified to forward to any IP address Administration Bandwidth Management Boot Wait Cron DHCP with static MAC->IP assignments DNS Masq Firewall control NAS NTP Client PPP PPTP VPN server Resetbutton daemon SSHD with public key or password login Shorewall firewall Syslog with remote logging Telnet Tftp Diagnostics Command Shell replaces ping and traceroute Status Wireless signal strength for client,AP,WDS Internal Modifications Added approximately 20 iptables filters - include P2P, connection tracking Added Quality of Service (for bandwidth mgmt) Rewrote networking code for better stability Added wireless connections daemon for client mode and WDS Upgraded PPPD to 2.4.2 Added Roaring Penguin PPPoE module (testing) Added PPPD Radius module (testing) Added PPTP client and server Various bug fixes to Linksys codebase Busybox upgrades and command additions Coming Features Simplified web interface Peer-to-peer bandwidth mgmt (Kazaa, Gnutella, Bit Torrent, etc) Bandwidth usage statistics Remote montioring and statistics DNS local caching Integrated Shorewall firewall Integrated OSPF and BGP routing
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The Beer I Love It When A Plan Comes Together Premium join:2001-07-24 Atlantic, IA	Ok I must be blind, I still do not see IPSEC in the list, I see PPTP however that will not work to link them together on a permanent basis. (For example remote and home offices) I did find a thread in their forums about it being a possible add... »www.sveasoft.com/postt33.html looks like 48% of people voted for a IPSec server (Next highest at 22% for openVPN), however neither are in there. Just wondering if other people are hacking this too, I don't need to connect PC's to it, I need to connect other firewalls (So I can VPN some Budgetones, 7960's, Sipuras and phones back to an Asterisk box and PC's to a Domain) Right now I am linking Linksys BEFSX41's to a Netscreen5 that is capped at 10 VPN's, I would like to increase that. A new (Used) netscreen will set me back a few thousand dollars and then limit me to 25 VPN's The BEFSX's only support 2 IPSEC VPN's The Netscreen does do QOS without any problems however is limited to the 2.6 firmware that does not play well with Auto Key VPN's. I use the Netscreen to do QOS between our phones, VoicePulse Connect and Packet8 VIA the VPN's. Believe me I am not trying to kick a gift horse in the mouth, just looking for other features.
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digiblur Got Sipura? Premium join:2002-06-03 Louisiana	said by The Beer: Just wondering if other people are hacking this too, I don't need to connect PC's to it, I need to connect other firewalls (So I can VPN some Budgetones, 7960's, Sipuras and phones back to an Asterisk box and PC's to a Domain) Try this thread: »Sveasoft's vs WiFi-Box
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The Beer I Love It When A Plan Comes Together Premium join:2001-07-24 Atlantic, IA	Funny I just found that thread and was reading it, Can't we all just be friends?
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unkyjoe0 join:2002-06-09 Seguin, TX	reply to digiblur Are there any docs for this program, telling us what all the features are and how to configure. P.S. I just got my box in today and I flashed it with the new firmware. I love this little box! Many thanks to those that clued us in on this, it is a bery nice piece of software!!!
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digiblur Got Sipura? Premium join:2002-06-03 Louisiana	said by unkyjoe0: Are there any docs for this program, telling us what all the features are and how to configure. P.S. I just got my box in today and I flashed it with the new firmware. I love this little box! Many thanks to those that clued us in on this, it is a bery nice piece of software!!! Its hard to imagine I paid under $100 for this little box and someone comes along and unlocks all the power out of it for FREE! I haven't seen anything yet on documentation. You know how all programmers hate writing documentation! I can say that one with experience! If you are curious about some of the features just google them or send Sveasoft6 a PM and he might answer you.
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tlpintpe join:2002-09-13 Spicewood, TX	Agreed. I purchased the WRT54G because it supported WPA out of the box, but I ran in to a problem. I live in a high rise apartment with walls made of concrete and rebar. That does not lend itself to WiFi. But using this firmware has enabled me to up the power outboot, and thus the throughput to my wife's desktop (which is, after all, the paramount concern!)! Bandwidth management was simply the cherry on top!
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spair join:2004-01-08 Roswell, GA	reply to digiblur said by digiblur: From what I've read you should set your uplink and downlink speeds so it knows when to throttle back the upload speeds. Try it with and without....just remember to reboot the router in between each settings. Either reboot via telnet or unplugging the sucker. Ah, thanks. I stumbled across some docs that seem to confirm what you're saying. IIUC, setting the uplink forces the router to throttle to that speed on the WAN port and drop packets in a manner that conforms to your priority settings. If you don't set this value, the router will dump packets onto the WAN port at full ethernet speeds, causing the modem to buffer and drop packets with no regard to priorities. But, in my reading, on the downlink, you have a much more ugly situation. You can get packet priorities, but you are going to sacrifice a lot of bandwidth. The reason (I think) is that the ISP is going to buffer, drop, or send packets to you with no regard to any priorities...when those packets arrive at the router, it will need to selectively drop perfectly good packets based on the priorities you've configured if the bandwidth is approaching your downlink setting. Those dropped packets will eventually be re-transmitted (consuming more of your real bandwidth) and the effect will be that the lower priority traffic will be affected by more dropped packets than the higher priority traffic (thus reducing the effective throughput of the lower priority traffic). It seems to me based on this (and again if I understand it correctly) that the best setting for a VOIP setup may be to set the downlink to 0 (thus not attempting any QoS on the download side) and the uplink to something close to your line speed.
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digiblur Got Sipura? Premium join:2002-06-03 Louisiana	Great! This exactly the kind of ideas we need. Lets try it..run a few tests with the different settings and see what happens.
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ejrobinson Premium join:2003-05-16 Miami Beach, FL	reply to spair What you say seems to make good sense. The problems with voip are almost always on the uplink side, especially if the g.711 codec is used. Most people only have 128k bps for the upload bandwidth. With cable in particular, you will often not get the full bandwidth either, especially in the evening, when usage by one's fellow sharers of the cable node are likely to be online. -er
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unkyjoe0 join:2002-06-09 Seguin, TX	reply to digiblur Just to let everyone know I recently got the Linksys router, and it did not have a V2 sticker on it, but after talking with James at Sveasoft he confirmed it is indeed a V2 router. He and his staff are working on the V2 firmware over the weekend. He sent me the V2 of the current software, although the bandwidth throttling is currently not working, this is what they are working on. I will keep everyone posted on this as well. But I encourage you to join the forum over at Sveasoft, they are a great bunch of guys!
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spair join:2004-01-08 Roswell, GA 1 edit	It was my understanding that the satori pre2 firmware (you have to ask for it) does in fact do bandwidth management on the version 2 device. The difference in the version 2 device is that it uses a different interface for the WAN port (vlan1 I believe) and the pre1 software didn't account for that difference.
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unkyjoe0 join:2002-06-09 Seguin, TX	reply to digiblur Here is the reply I got from James when requesting the V2 software. I have attached the Satori-pre2 beta for you. We will be updating this over the weekend to add support to lower the priority of P2P services like eMule, Kazaa, Gnutella, and Bit-Torrent. Best, James I assume he means they have not perfected it yet? If I am wrong please let me know, this is the main reason I will be using it. THanks
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digiblur Got Sipura? Premium join:2002-06-03 Louisiana	said by unkyjoe0: Here is the reply I got from James when requesting the V2 software. I have attached the Satori-pre2 beta for you. We will be updating this over the weekend to add support to lower the priority of P2P services like eMule, Kazaa, Gnutella, and Bit-Torrent. Best, James I assume he means they have not perfected it yet? If I am wrong please let me know, this is the main reason I will be using it. THanks It does indeed throttle back emule and bit torrent. I haven't tried Kazaa yet, haven't tracked down what ports it uses yet. He's probably tweeking it a little bit to make it easier for the user to set these as low priority.
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unkyjoe0 join:2002-06-09 Seguin, TX	reply to digiblur Well, turns out my VOIP Motorola adapter may be bad. Plenty of bandwith on my end. Tested 3mb d/l and 256K up. I even connected the Motorola on the internet all by itself and if I place a call all I can hear is the voice on the other end cutting out, they can hear me fine. SO I guess I will be placing a call to Vonage tonight to get this thing replaced or repaired. I am almost tempted to give up and go with the 8 deal, actually it is better bang for the buck. I will call and keep you posted. P.S. I flashed the V2 firmware and you are right, all is well. It is working flawlessly. I set up some low priority ports and tested. It seems to be working fine. Thanks Again:D
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tlpintpe join:2002-09-13 Spicewood, TX	I notice you seem to be using a satellite DSL provider. Is that correct? If so, you may not find any Voip service that will work. Consensus on this forum is that the latency of satellite broadband (not the speeds) are too high for Voip to work. Voip needs 300ms or less, and satellite typically has 400 plus ms latency.
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unkyjoe0 join:2002-06-09 Seguin, TX	reply to digiblur Nope, using wireless with about 20ms ping times, plenty of bandwith as well. I switched from Direcway in July, and will never go back. Just dont know how to update my profile
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tlpintpe join:2002-09-13 Spicewood, TX	Then all should be well. Hope you get the Vonage issues ironed out. If not...Packet8 works pretty well! Enjoy the Hill Country!
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